1728785655 M * Bertl yang: host side does not matter, guest better stick with something which doesn't use systemd
1728801060 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1728801224 Q * Ghislain 
1728811381 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1728817986 M * yang Bertl, hello, so on the host system systemd is ok?
1728818995 M * Guy- _probably_
1728819007 M * Guy- fwiw, I use runit for all vserver hosts and guests
1728819025 M * Guy- (including with Debian sid -- you don't actually *have* to use systemd)
1728826665 Q * Ghislain 
1728831722 M * Bertl yang: should be fine, you might need to adjust some userspace tools on the host to work with the older kernel
1728831769 M * Bertl Guy-: there is also devuan, which works quite fine (no systemd)
1728831942 M * Guy- yes, and actually I'm using Devuan, but there are comparatively few packages that actually differ from Debian upstream; I think it's mostly the installer that's different
1728832793 M * gnarface even the installer is basically the same unless you use the live installer
1728833569 M * Guy- I don't know; I just use debootstrap :)
1728834575 M * gnarface debootstrap unfortunately is different in a key way; the debian one won't debootstrap devuan :(
1728834599 M * gnarface (it will debootstrap ubuntu and others though, so that seems childish, doesn't it?)
1728834658 M * gnarface unless they've finally fixed that...
1728835793 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1728857107 Q * Ghislain 
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