1630546065 M * Bertl_oO  off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1630546067 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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1630558280 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl1.aqueos.com
1630575497 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1630575500 M * Bertl  morning folks!
1630575650 M * gnarface  morning Bertl!
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1630587801 M * Ghislain hello there
1630587843 M * Ghislain so bertl do you know when you could work on the new port for 5.10/11 (i know lts is 10 but 11 has so many fixes...)
1630587895 M * Ghislain we seems to have secured the buget, gnarface i have not seem you in the list or are you ? :p
1630587948 M * gnarface i'm not on the mailing list
1630588065 M * Ghislain oh, would yopu like to help  port to 5.10/11 of vserver then ? :)
1630588107 M * Ghislain question is not limited to gnarface at all ! feel free to answer whoever you are
1630588229 M * gnarface i doubt there's anything i can actually do to help
1630588295 M * gnarface i mean i would like to but it's beyond my grasp still
1630588832 M * Ghislain if you want to send some € to help the funding it would help, if not we will need help testing it :)
1630589132 M * gnarface i'll see what i can do, but things haven't been going that well for me lately
1630589481 M * Ghislain no issue at all , no obligation there :)
1630589674 M * gnarface i had a potential project coming up i was actually hoping i'd be able to divert some funding from but the guy i shit you not got involved in organized crime and skipped the country 
1630589679 M * gnarface i never heard from him again
1630589690 M * gnarface no idea where he went, he just said he had to run
1630589693 M * gnarface my life has been weird
1630589738 M * Ghislain well being honest is not rewarding since so long i think we have all to switch to crime as the world turns to wild wild west
1630589902 M * Ghislain killing people for money is great, its just hard the first few times, after that it get better
1630589914 M * Ghislain you can also develop kernel patch but its less fun
1630589949 M * gnarface heh
1630590059 M * Ghislain remember kids, dont do that at home !
1630590229 M * Ghislain not sure if Bert has switch to crime allready, i know daniel did :)
1630590269 M * Ghislain s/Bert/Bertl/
1630591580 M * Bertl no crimes here so far ...
1630591645 M * Bertl to answer the question (when), I'm probably still busy this month, but after that I should be able to spend some quality time on that
1630591718 M * Bertl and I think we should definitely target the latest and greatest kernel there is ;)
1630591843 M * Guy- maybe try once more to get your changes merged upstream?
1630591858 M * Guy- perhaps positioned as improvements to lxc
1630591876 M * Guy- I don't think the current development model of linux-vserver is sustainable
1630592279 M * Ghislain bertl: cool allways here to help test
1630592418 M * Ghislain Guy-: well it never was but still we use it so, ling term kubernetes and the like will trhow all sysadmin in the toilet anyway replaced by automated cloud magic so i am not worried that all be be over in a decade maximum
1630592432 M * Ghislain skynet will be here or madmax but one of the two
1630592671 M * Guy- whatever the future will bring, surely it's better to try and switch to a more sustainable way of doing things?
1630592847 M * Bertl I think mainline made it clear that they are not interested in incorporating Linux-VServer, especially since they designed their own convoluted isolation system
1630592876 M * Bertl what we could get upstream, but would require quite a lot of effort and time are extensions to the cgroup system
1630592961 M * Ghislain nothing prevent solution to ride on the side line , as long as we find people to make it
1630593001 M * Ghislain anyway long term systemd makes impossible vserver to continue so it will fade for my use case anyway, i am too old to change everything
1630593327 M * Guy- Bertl: "continually" forward-porting a large patch like linux-vserver is also a lot of work, as you may be aware :)
1630593699 M * Ghislain its not, he use three hundred thousand monkey to wirte random code and when it compiles we got it. Just not cheap on bananas
1630593802 M * Ghislain to be serious as long as we can fund it and Bertl has the will to make it all is good. he just had to not be killed by a bus when crossing the street as it would really put an end to it, and he would be missed by the monkeys
1630593860 M * Guy- yes, the bus factor is also an issue
1630593969 M * Ghislain Guy-: we are not on a "big" project and people allready have kubernetes and lxc and vmware to go the easy way so  i think we all know were we stand on this regard :)
1630594025 M * Ghislain its like a passion KISS project to isolate load we enjoy using
1630594039 M * Ghislain well i do :)
1630594058 M * Ghislain even when it report strange memory usage in the guest :)
1630594391 M * Guy- I love and respect Bertl and his work as much as any man, I just think it shouldn't need to be such a niche project :)
1630596218 M * Bertl the beauty of open source is that anyone can work on this project, including any attempts to up-stream it
1630596250 M * Guy- I know, but nobody seems to want to, unfortunately
1630596289 M * Guy- it seems to be clear that nobody is interested in helping maintain linux-vserver as an out of tree patch
1630596323 M * Bertl that is just a matter of making something happen, hire a kernel developer, set some goals, all done
1630596328 M * Guy- they had at least ten years to step up and didn't
1630596358 M * Bertl what you are looking for is somebody who happily donates their time to 'your' cause
1630596377 M * Guy- I don't have a cause, as such, just an opinion
1630596382 M * Bertl and while that person might exist, it's probably not easy do find it ;)
1630596392 M * Bertl s/do/to/
1630596430 M * Bertl fact is, I'm not interested in upstreaming Linux-VServer in my spare time
1630596474 M * Guy- I understand (both in terms of why, and in terms of it being up to you what you do in your free time)
1630596508 M * Guy- I just think this relegates Linux-vserver to obscurity and a slow death
1630596514 M * Guy- which is sad
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1630603445 M * AlexanderS What are the main points, that differentiate Linux-VServer from LXC? Network contexts, filesystems tagging and unification, or am I missing something?
1630603491 M * AlexanderS Would it possible to create a "network-context-cgroup" or something like that?
1630604995 M * Bertl I'm sure there are a number of options to extend the cgroup system
1630610198 M * Bertl  off for now ... bbl
1630610200 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1630610907 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:b26e:bfff:fe2a:b951
1630611560 M * jrayhawk my central complaint with containers was their incredibly poorly architected virtual filesystem security, /proc in particular, involving userspace apparmor rulesets that were never going to keep up with kernel namespace changes
1630611570 M * jrayhawk but that's been worked on in the past year https://lwn.net/ml/linux-kernel/20200409123752.1070597-1-gladkov.alexey@gmail.com/
1630611586 M * jrayhawk i haven't assessed the new system
1630611996 M * jrayhawk https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?h=v5.14&id=0fb5ce62c5920b6e0a8a061f2fe80e0403281e10 or i guess this is better documentation
1630616812 Q * Ghislain Quit: Leaving.
1630616986 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl1.aqueos.com