1596067271 M * emanuel They wouldn't be allowed to do that if Linux wold stand under the GPLv3 1596067319 M * gnarface no 3rd party cracks online? 1596067342 M * emanuel Android 10 1596067364 M * emanuel quite new 1596067377 M * emanuel Honor 10 lite 1596067442 M * emanuel Now I follow the strategy to not update my phone 1596067463 M * emanuel It asks me everyday 1596067677 M * emanuel And to give you an idea how much spyware is on it: 1596067988 M * emanuel When I want to search my local apps it asks me to accept their terms of service and their very long privacy policy which includes sending my data to their servers 1596068108 M * gnarface that sucks 1596068280 M * emanuel At least I could remove some of these apps via adb but it looks like I also removed something important and now I cant control my apps normal in the settings anymore. 1596068309 M * emanuel You know te bootloader is still locked... 1596068364 M * emanuel 1596068429 M * emanuel And all this wouldn't have happened if the kernel was under the GPLv3 1596068432 M * emanuel 1596068467 M * emanuel ---------- Story end --------- 1596068861 M * emanuel 1596068951 M * emanuel gnarface: Hello? Are you still there? 1596069098 M * gnarface yes, but i don't really have anything to add 1596069148 M * gnarface you're right about all of that 1596069226 M * emanuel Okay, well I guess I'll say goodbye then. Many thanks for your help! 1596069336 M * gnarface no problem 1596069809 Q * emanuel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1596089510 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com 1596093635 M * Ghislain hi 1596093644 M * Ghislain so bertl what's the plan ? :) 1596095884 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1596095892 M * Bertl morning folks! 1596095905 M * Bertl wow, I obviously missed story time ... :) 1596095927 M * Bertl Ghislain: what's the plan? we stick with GPLv2! 1596095959 M * Ghislain lol 1596096035 M * Ghislain well, do we launch the great vserver 5.X project :D 1596096096 M * Bertl maybe ... I haven't come to a conclusion yet. 1596096114 M * Ghislain if you do you must do a video with a drone and an off voice to explain how great this will be 1596096126 M * Ghislain with the countryside and smilling childrens 1596096149 M * Ghislain this is how you launch a patreon :D 1596096160 M * Ghislain do you know any smiling childs ? 1596096164 M * Bertl good to know ... 1596096168 M * Ghislain lol 1596096240 M * Ghislain well let me know you know you can count me in of course 1596096303 M * Bertl as smiling child? 1596096306 M * Ghislain i dont have a drone so we will perhaps need to skip the video part 1596096307 M * Ghislain lol 1596096351 M * Ghislain i keep some in a cave to mine coal but they dont smile a lot, only once a week when i bring food 1596096375 M * Bertl I see ... 1596096445 M * Ghislain well so much for the video then 1596096688 M * Bertl yeah, guess we have to drop that idea ... 1596096784 M * Ghislain we can sell personalized face mask, with a print: i run #covid in a vserver guest, as a host, i am fine 1596096805 M * Ghislain well i got to go but i have plenty of wonderfull ideas for the project as you can see 1596096825 M * Ghislain i am sure you cant wait for more ! 1596096828 M * Bertl yeah, seems like you are the perfect PR person for the project! 1596096836 M * Ghislain :D 1596098239 J * emanuel ~emanuel@2a02:1748:dd5e:7720:aad8:61cd:1c3a:de3f 1596104336 M * emanuel Hello, I now switched to Devuan but now the reboot and the shutdown commands don't work anymore 1596104760 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl 1596104762 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1596109329 Q * emanuel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1596109394 J * emanuel ~emanuel@2a02:1748:dd5e:7720:aad8:61cd:1c3a:de3f 1596110014 Q * emanuel Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1596110202 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1596110798 J * emanuel ~emanuel@2a02:1748:dd5e:7720:aad8:61cd:1c3a:de3f 1596112593 M * emanuel Hello 1596112624 M * emanuel Anyone there? 1596115610 M * gnarface emanuel: people are here sporadically, the best approach is to just ask your question and leave the irc window open to wait for a response 1596115646 M * gnarface emanuel: some times it may take a few hours still, but it's better than waiting for a greeting first 1596115680 M * gnarface emanuel: i didn't have any problems with the shutdown commands in devuan not working. they worked fine even though they threw errors. 1596116451 M * gnarface emanuel: i get some errors about the guests not being able to stop the host's swap partition and stuff, but you don't actually want them to be able to do that. there are errors in the shutdown scripts of this sort, but so far i haven't seen any of them actually preventing shutdown. if you found something it should be easy to just comment out though. have you verified the guests are not actually stopping with 1596116452 M * gnarface vserver-stat? if they stop but just throw errors it's probably benign 1596123338 M * emanuel If I try to shutdown or reboot is says command not found 1596123389 J * fstd_ ~fstd@xdsl-87-79-161-106.nc.de 1596123428 M * emanuel Maybe something is not installed, but i don't know what 1596123508 M * emanuel And if I try to build a vserver it says: 1596123627 M * emanuel /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/name-of-the-vserver/: Function not implented 1596123660 M * gnarface did you try to run shutdown inside a guest? 1596123703 M * emanuel /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase/name-of-the-vserver/..: Function not implented 1596123735 M * emanuel I tried to reboot the host 1596123803 M * gnarface shutdown and reboot are in the sysvinit-core package, maybe you just didn't install it 1596123815 M * gnarface what command are you using to create the vservers? 1596123860 Q * fstd Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1596123887 M * emanuel the sysvinit-core package is installed 1596123898 M * gnarface you tried running it as root? 1596123937 M * emanuel And i tried building a vserver with different commands: 1596123974 M * gnarface no i mean the shutdown command, did you try that as root? 1596123999 M * emanuel yes 1596124021 M * gnarface echo $PATH 1596124024 M * gnarface (as root) 1596124085 M * emanuel /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games 1596124124 M * gnarface they're in /sbin, you need to add it to root's path 1596124132 M * gnarface it used to be there by default, someone stupid removed it 1596124170 M * gnarface but you should familiarize yourself with this task and what the PATH environment variable is for, anyway 1596124302 M * emanuel root@Server:~# cd /sbin 1596124302 M * emanuel root@Server:/sbin# ls 1596124302 M * emanuel aa-remove-unknown lvextend 1596124302 M * emanuel aa-status lvm 1596124302 M * emanuel aa-teardown lvmconfig 1596124302 M * emanuel accept lvmdiskscan 1596124304 M * emanuel accessdb lvmdump 1596124306 M * emanuel acpi_available lvmpolld 1596124308 M * emanuel addgnupghome lvmsadc 1596124310 M * emanuel addgroup lvmsar 1596124312 M * emanuel add-shell lvreduce 1596124314 M * emanuel adduser lvremove 1596124316 M * emanuel agetty lvrename 1596124318 M * emanuel apm_available lvresize 1596124322 M * emanuel apparmor_parser lvs 1596124324 M * emanuel apparmor_status lvscan 1596124326 M * emanuel applygnupgdefaults make-ssl-cert 1596124328 M * emanuel arpd mdadm 1596124330 M * emanuel arptables mdmon 1596124332 M * emanuel arptables-nft mke2fs 1596124334 M * emanuel arptables-nft-restore mkfs 1596124336 M * gnarface it's really not necessary to make big long pastes in-channel like this 1596124336 M * emanuel arptables-nft-save mkfs.bfs 1596124338 M * emanuel arptables-restore mkfs.cramfs 1596124340 M * emanuel arptables-save mkfs.ext2 1596124342 M * emanuel aspell-autobuildhash mkfs.ext3 1596124344 M * emanuel avahi-daemon mkfs.ext4 1596124346 M * emanuel badblocks mkfs.minix 1596124348 M * emanuel biosdecode mkhomedir_helper 1596124352 M * emanuel blkdeactivate mkinitramfs 1596124354 M * emanuel blkdiscard mklost+found 1596124356 M * emanuel blkid mkswap 1596124358 M * emanuel blkzone modinfo 1596124360 M * emanuel blockdev modprobe 1596124362 M * emanuel brctl naddress 1596124364 M * emanuel bridge nattribute 1596124366 M * emanuel capsh ncontext 1596124368 M * emanuel cfdisk newusers 1596124370 M * emanuel chat nfnl_osf 1596124372 M * emanuel chbind nologin 1596124374 M * emanuel chcontext on_ac_power 1596124376 M * emanuel chcpu ownership 1596124378 M * emanuel chgpasswd pam-auth-update 1596124382 M * emanuel chmem pam_getenv 1596124384 M * emanuel chpasswd pam_tally 1596124386 M * emanuel chroot pam_tally2 1596124388 M * emanuel chxid pam_timestamp_check 1596124390 M * emanuel cpgr paperconfig 1596124392 M * emanuel cppw pivot_root 1596124394 M * emanuel cron popcon-largest-unused 1596124396 M * emanuel cryptdisks_start popularity-contest 1596124398 M * emanuel cryptdisks_stop poweroff 1596124400 M * emanuel cryptsetup pppd 1596124402 M * emanuel cryptsetup-reencrypt pppdump 1596124404 M * emanuel ctrlaltdel pppoe-discovery 1596124406 M * emanuel cupsaccept pppstats 1596124408 M * emanuel cupsaddsmb pvchange 1596124412 M * emanuel cups-browsed pvck 1596124414 M * emanuel cupsctl pvcreate 1596124416 M * emanuel cupsd pvdisplay 1596124418 M * emanuel cupsdisable pvmove 1596124420 M * emanuel cupsenable pvremove 1596124422 M * emanuel cupsfilter pvresize 1596124424 M * emanuel cups-genppdupdate pvs 1596124426 M * emanuel cupsreject pvscan 1596124428 M * emanuel debootstrap pwck 1596124430 M * emanuel debugfs pwconv 1596124432 M * emanuel delgroup pwunconv 1596124434 M * emanuel deluser qemu-make-debian-root 1596124436 M * emanuel depmod raw 1596124440 M * emanuel devlink readprofile 1596124442 M * emanuel dhclient reboot 1596124444 M * emanuel dhclient-script reducecap 1596124446 M * emanuel discover reject 1596124448 M * emanuel discover-modprobe remove-default-ispell 1596124450 M * emanuel discover-pkginstall remove-default-wordlist 1596124452 M * emanuel dmeventd remove-shell 1596124454 M * emanuel dmidecode resize2fs 1596124456 M * emanuel dmsetup rmmod 1596124458 M * emanuel dmstats rmt 1596124460 M * emanuel dnsmasq rmt-tar 1596124462 M * emanuel dpkg-preconfigure rsyslogd 1596124464 M * emanuel dpkg-reconfigure rtacct 1596124466 M * emanuel dumpe2fs rtcwake 1596124468 M * emanuel e2freefrag rtmon 1596124472 M * emanuel e2fsck runlevel 1596124474 M * emanuel e2image runuser 1596124476 M * emanuel e2label saned 1596124478 M * emanuel e2mmpstatus select-default-ispell 1596124480 M * emanuel e2undo select-default-wordlist 1596124482 M * emanuel e4crypt service 1596124484 M * emanuel e4defrag setattr 1596124486 M * emanuel ebtables setcap 1596124488 M * emanuel ebtables-nft setvesablank 1596124490 M * emanuel ebtables-nft-restore sfdisk 1596124492 M * emanuel ebtables-nft-save shadowconfig 1596124494 M * emanuel ebtables-restore showattr 1596124496 M * emanuel ebtables-save shutdown 1596124498 M * emanuel exec-cd sshd 1596124502 M * emanuel fdformat start-stop-daemon 1596124504 M * emanuel fdisk sulogin 1596124506 M * emanuel filefrag swaplabel 1596124508 M * emanuel findfs swapoff 1596124510 M * emanuel foomatic-addpjloptions swapon 1596124512 M * emanuel foomatic-cleanupdrivers switch_root 1596124514 M * emanuel foomatic-extract-text sysctl 1596124516 M * emanuel foomatic-fix-xml tarcat 1596124518 M * emanuel foomatic-getpjloptions tc 1596124520 M * emanuel foomatic-kitload tcptraceroute 1596124522 M * emanuel foomatic-nonumericalids tcptraceroute.db 1596124524 M * emanuel foomatic-preferred-driver telinit 1596124525 M * gnarface you know you could have just typed "ls /sbin/shutdown" right? 1596124526 M * emanuel foomatic-printermap-to-gutenprint-xml tipc 1596124528 M * emanuel foomatic-replaceoldprinterids traceroute 1596124532 M * emanuel fsadm tune2fs 1596124534 M * emanuel fsck tzconfig 1596124536 M * emanuel fsck.cramfs udevadm 1596124538 M * emanuel fsck.ext2 udevd 1596124540 M * emanuel fsck.ext3 unix_chkpwd 1596124542 M * emanuel fsck.ext4 unix_update 1596124544 M * emanuel fsck.minix update-ca-certificates 1596124546 M * emanuel fsck.nfs update-catalog 1596124548 M * emanuel fsfreeze update-default-aspell 1596124550 M * emanuel fstab-decode update-default-ispell 1596124552 M * emanuel fstrim update-default-wordlist 1596124554 M * emanuel genl update-dictcommon-aspell 1596124556 M * emanuel getcap update-dictcommon-hunspell 1596124556 M * gnarface we're all still waiting for your paste to come through, but shutdown scrolled by a minute ago 1596124558 M * Ghislain whoha that is spamming 1596124558 M * emanuel getpcaps update-grub 1596124562 M * emanuel getty update-grub2 1596124564 M * emanuel getweb update-gsfontmap 1596124566 M * emanuel gpm update-icon-caches 1596124568 M * emanuel gpm-microtouch-setup update-inetd 1596124570 M * emanuel gpm-mouse-test update-initramfs 1596124572 M * emanuel groupadd update-locale 1596124574 M * emanuel groupdel update-mime 1596124576 M * emanuel groupmems update-passwd 1596124578 M * emanuel groupmod update-pciids 1596124580 M * emanuel grpck update-rc.d 1596124582 M * emanuel grpconv update-xmlcatalog 1596124584 M * emanuel grpunconv upgrade-from-grub-legacy 1596124586 M * emanuel grub-bios-setup usb_modeswitch 1596124588 M * emanuel grub-install usb_modeswitch_dispatcher 1596124592 M * emanuel grub-macbless useradd 1596124594 M * emanuel grub-mkconfig userdel 1596124596 M * emanuel grub-mkdevicemap usermod 1596124598 M * emanuel grub-probe uuidd 1596124599 M * gnarface Ghislain: he's 14 he doesn't know wtf he's doing 1596124600 M * emanuel grub-reboot validlocale 1596124602 M * emanuel grub-set-default vapt-get 1596124604 M * emanuel halt vattribute 1596124606 M * emanuel hdparm vcontext 1596124608 M * emanuel hwclock vcstime 1596124610 M * emanuel iconvconfig vdevmap 1596124612 M * gnarface Ghislain: he apologized in advance yesterday 1596124612 M * emanuel ifdown vdispatch-conf 1596124614 M * emanuel ifquery vdlimit 1596124616 M * emanuel ifup vdu 1596124618 M * emanuel init vemerge 1596124622 M * emanuel init.lxc veritysetup 1596124624 M * emanuel init.lxc.static vesync 1596124626 M * emanuel insmod vgcfgbackup 1596124628 M * emanuel insserv vgcfgrestore 1596124630 M * emanuel installkernel vgchange 1596124632 M * emanuel install-sgmlcatalog vgck 1596124634 M * emanuel integritysetup vgconvert 1596124636 M * emanuel invoke-rc.d vgcreate 1596124638 M * emanuel ip vgdisplay 1596124640 M * emanuel ip6tables vgexport 1596124641 M * Ghislain no pb i just stopped the bip sound for the channel :) 1596124642 M * emanuel ip6tables-apply vgextend 1596124644 M * emanuel ip6tables-legacy vgimport 1596124646 M * emanuel ip6tables-legacy-restore vgimportclone 1596124648 M * emanuel ip6tables-legacy-save vgmerge 1596124652 M * emanuel ip6tables-nft vgmknodes 1596124654 M * emanuel ip6tables-nft-restore vgreduce 1596124656 M * emanuel ip6tables-nft-save vgremove 1596124658 M * emanuel ip6tables-restore vgrename 1596124660 M * emanuel ip6tables-restore-translate vgs 1596124662 M * emanuel ip6tables-save vgscan 1596124664 M * emanuel ip6tables-translate vgsplit 1596124666 M * emanuel ippserver vigr 1596124668 M * emanuel iptables vipw 1596124670 M * emanuel iptables-apply visudo 1596124672 M * emanuel iptables-legacy vkill 1596124674 M * emanuel iptables-legacy-restore vlimit 1596124676 M * emanuel iptables-legacy-save vmemctrl 1596124677 M * gnarface emanuel: here's an example vserver creation command for later: vserver vservername build -m debootstrap --context 1001 --hostname www.yourdomain.com --interface 1=dummy0:10.10.2.2/24 -- -d beowulf -m http://deb.devuan.org/merged 1596124678 M * emanuel iptables-nft vmount 1596124682 M * emanuel iptables-nft-restore vnamespace 1596124684 M * emanuel iptables-nft-save vpddecode 1596124686 M * emanuel iptables-restore vps 1596124688 M * emanuel iptables-restore-translate vpstree 1596124690 M * emanuel iptables-save vrpm 1596124692 M * emanuel iptables-translate vrsetup 1596124694 M * emanuel isosize vsched 1596124696 M * emanuel ispell-autobuildhash vserver 1596124698 M * emanuel kbdrate vserver-info 1596124700 M * emanuel killall5 vserver-stat 1596124702 M * emanuel ldattach vshelper 1596124704 M * emanuel ldconfig vsomething 1596124706 M * emanuel locale-gen vspace 1596124710 M * emanuel logrotate vtag 1596124712 M * emanuel logsave vtop 1596124714 M * emanuel losetup vuname 1596124716 M * emanuel lpadmin vupdateworld 1596124718 M * emanuel lpc vurpm 1596124720 M * emanuel lpinfo vwait 1596124722 M * emanuel lpmove vyum 1596124724 M * emanuel lsmod wipefs 1596124726 M * emanuel lsxid xtables-legacy-multi 1596124728 M * emanuel luksformat xtables-monitor 1596124730 M * emanuel lvchange xtables-nft-multi 1596124732 M * emanuel lvconvert zic 1596124734 M * emanuel lvcreate zramctl 1596124736 M * emanuel lvdisplay 1596124738 M * emanuel root@Server:/sbin# ./reboot 1596124742 M * emanuel bash: ./reboot: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 1596124744 M * emanuel root@Server:/sbin# /sbin/reboot 1596124746 M * emanuel bash: /sbin/reboot: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 1596124748 M * emanuel root@Server:/sbin# 1596124750 M * emanuel oh sorry 1596124752 M * emanuel if I try to run reboot from the /sbin/reboot it says, it doesn't find it 1596124754 M * emanuel oh 1596124756 M * emanuel Thanks 1596124795 M * gnarface emanuel: try this as root: /sbin/shutdown -r now 1596124858 M * emanuel doesn't work either 1596124869 M * gnarface hmmm, weird. that's on the host, right? 1596124882 M * gnarface it's working here, so you must have done something different 1596124882 M * emanuel yes, command not found 1596124915 M * gnarface it's actually there though, right? what does this say? ls -l /sbin/shutdown 1596124930 M * gnarface -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30936 Apr 3 07:45 /sbin/shutdown* 1596124934 M * gnarface should look like that 1596124940 M * gnarface or close 1596124975 M * emanuel lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jul 30 12:02 /sbin/shutdown -> ../bin/systemctl 1596124985 M * gnarface ah, now we have evidence of foul play 1596124993 M * gnarface that shouldn't be there if this is actually a devuan install 1596125004 M * gnarface that's a systemd component and i can verify it's not in devuan beowulf 1596125027 M * emanuel I used this guide: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/buster-to-beowulf 1596125039 M * gnarface you can see it's a symlink to /bin/systemctl 1596125082 M * gnarface i can only assume you must have missed an important step or something went wrong 1596125145 M * gnarface run this again, do you see any errors on output? "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" 1596125183 M * emanuel no errors 1596125205 M * gnarface alright, paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net so i can look at it 1596125321 M * emanuel http://paste.debian.net/1158326/ 1596125362 M * gnarface this line was probably a mistake to leave enabled: deb http://repo.psand.net/ buster main 1596125388 M * gnarface actually the packages from there may be what actually are responsible for this malfunction for all i know... i built mine here alone 1596125408 M * gnarface try commenting out the "deb http://repo.psand.net/ buster main" line and re-run "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" 1596125413 M * Ghislain perhaps installing "apt-get install sysv-rc" will get it on foot ? 1596125425 M * gnarface yea, that's worth a try too 1596125455 M * gnarface the only other idea i have is to just remove all the systemd related packages then cycle through the rest and force-reinstall them all one at a time 1596125495 M * emanuel still no errors 1596125503 M * gnarface emanuel: try what Ghislain said 1596125528 M * emanuel is already installed 1596125552 M * Ghislain on my systems i use this 1596125553 M * Ghislain apt-get -y remove --yes --purge --auto-remove systemd-sysv; 1596125553 M * Ghislain apt-get -y install sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils sysv-rc; 1596125553 M * Ghislain cp -f /usr/share/sysvinit/inittab /etc/inittab; 1596125577 M * Ghislain when systemd crawls in (and it does quite a lot) 1596125695 M * Ghislain https://pastebin.com/raw/2L5QKdy1 1596125757 M * Ghislain :D 1596125803 M * emanuel so what should i do with that code 1596125850 M * emanuel I already found out 1596125867 M * gnarface emanuel: it's also really useful to learn this level of basic shell scripting, it will help you debug stuff in the future 1596125887 M * emanuel Yes 1596125981 M * emanuel But I still can't reboot or shutdown 1596126060 M * gnarface emanuel: did you run those two apt-get commands Ghislain just mentioned? 1596126077 M * emanuel yes 1596126082 M * gnarface no errors? 1596126098 M * emanuel no errors 1596126119 M * emanuel in fact no changes at all 1596126139 M * gnarface well, i don't know what else to tell you. you've made a mess i'm not sure i could even clean up, but i am sure it would be faster to just reinstall beowulf fresh 1596126160 M * gnarface you can learn a lot cleaning this up manually but i can't really tell you how to spend your time best 1596126175 M * emanuel which program does the reboot on devuan 1596126227 M * gnarface well /sbin/shutdown can reboot, and /sbin/halt can reboot, and they're both in devuan, in the sysvinit-core package, which you had already installed, or so you say 1596126251 M * gnarface it should already work, there must be some other mistake you made unwittingly 1596126270 M * gnarface distro mixing or version mixing can cause this type of thing a lot 1596126292 M * gnarface like if you had used deb-multimedia, or had a install that was half stretch-backports and half buster before you attempted to upgrade 1596126332 M * gnarface but you could have a fresh bare-bones beowulf install in half an hour if you have decent bandwidth, and it won't have this problem 1596126378 M * emanuel with raid and encryption 1596126405 M * gnarface oh, right i forgot about the encryption. well that will take longer but... still... the alternative now is systematically checking, uninstalling, and reinstalling every package 1596126414 M * gnarface one by one 1596126433 M * emanuel okay 1596126444 M * gnarface and i'll remind you, that should already have worked for sysvinit-core... the fact you still have a symlink to some systemd tool there suggests a deeper problem has occurred, one that is potentially irreversible 1596126444 M * emanuel Thanks 1596126477 M * gnarface do you have a spare harddrive you could test a clean install with perhaps? 1596126482 M * gnarface it might save you some time 1596126537 M * emanuel wellmaybe a usb stick 1596126574 M * gnarface should work unless your motherboard bios is crippled 1596126613 M * gnarface might be kinda rough on the usb stick though 1596126683 M * emanuel how could that save time 1596126716 M * gnarface so you can figure out what went wrong without nuking your old install first 1596126725 M * gnarface you might end up having to do this more than once 1596126770 M * emanuel then i would need an extra computer 1596126786 M * gnarface no, not if you're careful 1596126794 M * gnarface you have a lot to learn though if you didn't know that 1596126821 M * gnarface the machine can physically contain many installs at once 1596126844 M * emanuel it can? 1596126882 M * gnarface yes, the bios should be able to let you change boot drives at system power on time 1596126920 M * gnarface any good quality bios should allow you to boot from any usb disks or harddrives interchangeably 1596126935 M * gnarface check your motherboard manual for details 1596126953 M * emanuel but i can't boot up two systems at the same time 1596126982 M * gnarface correct, that's what linux-vservers is there for 1596127001 M * emanuel now i know what you mean 1596127013 M * gnarface the bios can only boot one OS at a time, but you can pick on the fly 1596127024 M * emanuel yes 1596127100 M * emanuel but how can i run the install on my server while searching for the problem on my server 1596127181 M * gnarface got a spare blank optical disk or two usb keys? 1596127222 M * gnarface here's my theory: you won't have to 1596127254 M * gnarface i think you'll do a clean install of beowulf and in the process you'll suddenly remember what went wrong with the other install without even having to look 1596127275 M * emanuel oh 1596127311 M * gnarface but if you had to look at the other install from a fresh beowulf install on your usb key though, that would be easy, just fyi. any booted install on the machine can read all the other disks 1596127336 M * gnarface your encryption setup might add extra steps to that process but it should be within your reach 1596127399 M * gnarface doing this with fewer disks though starts to get really complicated 1596127434 M * gnarface because you would have to do stuff like pre-partition your usb key before copying the installer core to it, then re-installing to itself. i'd rather not have to walk you through that, you're already in deep enough 1596127451 M * emanuel but i dont think i'll remember what went wrong before because as i said before i migrated to devuan and this is a fresh install 1596127475 M * gnarface but i saw a 3rd party repo on your sources.list 1596127495 M * gnarface that's already beyond the level of risk i would have tolerated for my own setup 1596127499 M * emanuel but i dont think i'll remember what went wrong before because as i said before i migrated to devuan and this WOULD BE a fresh install 1596127509 M * gnarface oh 1596127523 M * gnarface well i think you can figure it out by deduction still 1596127569 M * gnarface i mean, if the fresh beowulf install just works, there will be little else you can blame it on besides the upgrade process from buster, or that 3rd party repo which was also intended specifically for buster 1596127658 M * emanuel how about just doing a fresh install and leaving this install behind 1596127670 M * gnarface i just assumed you'd lose a lot of data or something 1596127702 M * gnarface and also i'm not 100% sure it will work the first time 1596127765 M * gnarface i'm like REALLY old, so i've learned to follow certain patterns to avoid certain types of unpredictable risk. i get that it doesn't seem to make sense at first. all you have to understand about it is i'm pulling from a huge history of my own relevant mistakes, most of which i haven't even told you about 1596127821 M * gnarface if you nuke the old install with a fresh install and it doesn't work, then you have neither install 1596127861 M * gnarface if you do a fresh install on a separate disk then you can still nuke the old one at your leisure afterwards when you get it working 1596127879 M * emanuel but why shouldn't a fresh install work 1596127888 M * gnarface wrong question 1596127893 M * gnarface because it absolutely should 1596127910 M * gnarface the question is why wouldn't it work even though it should? 1596127915 M * gnarface and the answer is usually user error 1596127918 M * emanuel but why couldn't a fresh install work 1596127931 M * gnarface the answer is usually user error 1596127935 M * gnarface but not all the time 1596127950 M * gnarface maybe *i* forgot something *and* Ghislain forgot something 1596127983 M * gnarface old people do that sometimes too... after 1000x you start forgetting the steps because you're just doing it half asleep 1596128044 M * emanuel well then i'll get an usb stick 1596128094 M * gnarface the summary is just that there's too many places to make mistakes, this is a complicated setup, and without supervising you directly there's a limit to how much i can prevent 1596128128 M * gnarface i wouldn't even be 100% sure of doing it right on the first try myself, i'd just be 100% sure of being able to quickly figure out what i did wrong 1596128145 M * gnarface since i'm not literally watching over your shoulder though, that really limits us 1596128163 M * gnarface i'm just trying to steer you away from frustration 1596128288 M * gnarface don't get discouraged though about your ambitious plan 1596128346 M * gnarface but if you really want to just nuke the old install and start over, don't let me stop you 1596128448 M * emanuel i got it, i am doing a test install 1596128513 M * gnarface which beowulf installer are you using? 1596128518 M * gnarface the netinstall iso? 1596128535 M * gnarface i recommend the netinstall iso, don't install from the live image 1596128581 M * gnarface the netinstall iso will let you start with a minimal install, which should save more time 1596128646 M * emanuel what about the server iso? 1596128667 M * emanuel but i can lso usse netinstall 1596128675 M * emanuel *use 1596128683 M * emanuel *also 1596128738 M * gnarface there's no server iso for devuan 1596128745 M * gnarface where did you download the installer?? 1596128767 M * emanuel https://www.devuan.org/get-devuan 1596128781 M * emanuel there is a server iso 1596128802 M * gnarface oh, confusing entry on the web site 1596128830 M * emanuel so which one should I use 1596128843 M * gnarface eh, it won't matter in this case, just that the netinstall one would have been faster to download 1596128848 M * gnarface don't use the live one is all 1596128878 M * emanuel i already downloaded both 1596128948 M * gnarface i don't know why they renamed one to be server 1596128973 M * gnarface it's the same thing as the cd/dvd sets basically 1596128979 M * gnarface they're for offline installs 1596128989 M * gnarface they come preloaded with a bunch of stuff you don't need 1596129026 M * gnarface might be useful if you had to deploy devuan somewhere with no network connections 1596129099 M * emanuel so as i can't use shutdown i'll use the power button to turn off my server now 1596129141 M * gnarface ouch 1596130042 M * emanuel this installer doesn't let me encrypt, use a raid nor use lvm 1596130073 M * emanuel *doesn't seemm to let me 1596130147 M * emanuel the debian installer was able to do that 1596131103 M * gnarface emanuel: yea it does. you just gotta pick the right options... do it in expert mode 1596131119 M * gnarface emanuel: it's based on the debian installer. it should be practically identical 1596131159 M * gnarface emanuel: you might need to get something from the "load additional installer components" menu 1596131578 M * gnarface emanuel: oh, also you probably have to do manual partitioning setup? i'm not sure the "guided" or "automatic" modes can do it 1596131764 M * emanuel i am in expert mode 1596131907 M * gnarface emanuel: check this guide and see if you can figure out where you went off track: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/full-disk-encryption.html 1596131957 M * emanuel additional installer compuonents did help. Thanks 1596131963 M * gnarface cool 1596137961 Q * Ghislain Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1596139125 J * Aiken ~Aiken@b951.h.jbmb.net 1596146173 J * Ghislain ~ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com 1596146422 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1596146424 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ