1566872847 Q * _pa Quit: Bye a/All, it's time to walk the dog...
1566875803 M * Bertl_oO  off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1566875804 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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1566892365 J * hijacker ~nikolay@149.235.255.3
1566893540 J * yang4 ~yang@vmi127185.contaboserver.net
1566893604 Q * yang Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1566894601 J * yan6 ~yang@vmi127185.contaboserver.net
1566894759 M * yan6 Hello, I had problems shutting down vserver and starting it up
1566894774 M * yan6 http://paste.debian.net/plainh/3c631d4c
1566894813 M * Guy- yan6: what is your guest distribution, and what do you have in /etc/vservers/node1/apps/init?
1566894816 M * yan6 the guest is probably using systemd now after upgrade
1566894832 M * yan6 guest distro is debian buster
1566894900 M * yan6 init directory is empty
1566895024 M * Guy- I don't think systemd will work in a vserver guest
1566895037 M * Guy- you'd have to replace it with something else
1566895052 M * Guy- (I use runit, fwiw)
1566895066 M * Guy- (runit works great with initstyle plain in vserver)
1566895135 M * Guy- I know Debian has made it harder to use anything other than systemd, but moving from Debian to Devuan is quite painless (it's little more than adjusting sources.list and installing the devuan keyring), and non-systemd init systems are first class citizens in Devuan
1566895168 Q * _are_ Remote host closed the connection
1566895178 J * _are_ ~quassel@2a01:238:4325:ca00:f065:c93c:f967:9285
1566895557 M * yan6 ouch so I cannot get this guest running anymore ?
1566895949 M * Guy- yes you can, you just need to replace its systemd with something else :)
1566896100 M * Guy- probably systemd is not the raison d'etre for the entire guest; there is nothing stopping you from running the actual services in the guest (well, nothing except systemd)
1566896173 M * Guy- as a minimum, you could write a script that brings up your services without using systemd mechanisms, and call it from cmd.start
1566896193 M * Guy- not ideal, but the guest would run and its services would work
1566896207 M * Guy- stopping it would need a separate custom script
1566896239 M * yan6 yes, well i think in previous release "stretch" I still used init.d
1566896254 M * yan6 but maybe in buster it got replaced
1566896262 M * yan6 I mean I'd like to fix it
1566896267 M * yan6 I can't start it now
1566896283 M * Guy- there are several ways
1566896292 M * yan6 I can continue to use init.d
1566896293 M * Guy- you could just chroot into it and fix it
1566896305 M * Guy- there is no need to start the vserver as such
1566896322 M * yan6 So, what do I need to do ?
1566896328 M * Guy- or you could add "persistent" to its flags, put "/bin/true" in cmd.start, and then start it
1566896337 M * yan6 yes, I will try with perisstent
1566896341 M * Guy- the guest will be up, you'll be able to use vserver enter, but it will run no processes
1566896367 M * yan6 ouch
1566896377 M * Guy- what's wrong?
1566896389 M * yan6 ok let's try with persistent
1566896399 M * yan6 where do i enter cmd.start which file ?
1566896435 M * Guy- I think "persistent" goes into /etc/vservers/node1/flags
1566896454 M * Guy- and /bin/true goes into /etc/vservers/node1/apps/init/cmd.start
1566896541 M * yan6 ok
1566896545 M * yan6 I have done this
1566896551 M * yan6 now I can try adn start it ?
1566896557 M * Guy- yes
1566896589 M * yan6 RTNETLINK answers: File exists
1566896590 M * yan6 RTNETLINK answers: File exists
1566896596 M * yan6 this is the output
1566896615 M * yan6 nothing in vserver-stat
1566896641 M * yan6 oh, maybe network interfaces names got changed during upgrade
1566896671 M * yan6 but it's probably unrelated, because interfaces get delegated from host
1566896890 M * Guy- vserver-stat may not show it because it has no processes
1566896894 M * Guy- doesn't vserver enter work?
1566897643 M * yan6 yes, it works
1566897652 M * yan6 What do I do now ?
1566898626 M * yan6 I would prefer to keep Debian instead of upgrading to Devuan
1566899125 M * Guy- well, I suppose you remove systemd and install sysvinit
1566899134 M * yan6 Yes
1566899148 M * yan6 I think Devuan still uses jessie, which is 2 releases behind Debian
1566899188 M * Guy- no, devuan ascii is based on stretch
1566899206 M * Guy- tbh I never cared, I just use Devuan ceres, which is always new
1566899220 M * yan6 http://paste.debian.net/plainh/10c4ec5b
1566899279 M * Guy- can't you remove the systemd package?
1566899293 M * yan6 I don't know if removing systemd breaks debian buster
1566899308 M * Guy- any more than it is already broken? :)
1566899314 M * yan6 well its not broken
1566899320 M * yan6 the upgrade went through
1566899329 M * Guy- as far as you're concerned it's broken, because it won't start
1566899347 M * Guy- you should be able to remove the systemd package, and apt should be able to sort that out
1566899352 M * yan6 ok lets see
1566899385 M * yan6 Removing systemd (241-5) ...
1566899385 M * yan6 Processing triggers for dbus (1.12.16-1) ...
1566899385 M * yan6 Processing triggers for man-db (2.8.5-2) ...
1566899389 M * yan6 ok it seems its done
1566899414 M * Guy- do you have a /sbin/init?
1566899430 M * yan6 yes
1566899434 M * Guy- do you have the initscripts package installed?
1566899451 M * yan6 yes
1566899459 M * Guy- OK, maybe it'll just work
1566899470 M * Guy- try to stop the vserver, remove the persistent flag, remove cmd.start and start it
1566899474 M * yan6 ok 
1566899483 M * Guy- if it doesn't work, try echo plain >/etc/vservers/node1/apps/init/style
1566899532 M * Guy- I'll be away for a few hours now
1566899578 M * yan6 thank you for assistance
1566899580 M * yan6 :)
1566899689 M * yan6 it works with "plain" thanks
1566907045 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-78-35-66-177.nc.de
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1566909850 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1566909856 M * Bertl  morning folks!
1566912350 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection
1566918066 J * _pa ~pa@14-104.dsl.iskon.hr
1566923545 Q * hijacker 
1566928757 M * Bertl  off for now ... bbl
1566928759 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1566935919 J * Aiken ~Aiken@b951.h.jbmb.net