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1495766335 M * gnarface (Devuan 1.0 is out if anyone cares)
1495769452 M * gnarface i've already got it running in a couple vservers
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1495782834 M * [Guy] been running Devuan unstable since forever, so I don't really care what the version number is, but good news, I guess :)
1495782838 N * [Guy] Guy-
1495782950 M * AlexanderS I'm still using debian, but with systemd-sysv pinned to -1.
1495783117 M * Ghislain devuan 1.0 is based on jessie ?
1495783137 M * Ghislain yes it is, ok
1495783192 M * Ghislain systemd is one problem, the kernel is another :(
1495783244 M * Ghislain 4.1 is not well patched it seems, on the 4.x it lags allready 2 month in patching compared to the other 4.x
1495783250 M * Guy- nothing's going to stop you from using a different kernel
1495783289 M * Ghislain well the vserver patch cannot be applied to more recent one so yes i am :)
1495783370 M * Ghislain i am aware that everything is pushing to alternate tech but the KISS of vserver is in no other solutions apart from jails in freebsd it seems
1495783386 M * Ghislain and its hard to change :p
1495785176 M * Ghislain just reread the 2014 devuan fork statement, i really agree that being so dependant on a system that take over everything is not a good idea
1495785232 M * Ghislain i wonder if there is any distro left that do not used systemd now, systemd offer quite some interesting features but the complete lack of choice and the take it all or nothing is frightening
1495785270 M * gnarface last i heard slackware committed to staying clean
1495785310 M * gnarface i think there is a list somewhere, but most of the rest are not commonly known 
1495785318 M * gnarface i believe it's not hard to keep it out of a gentoo install though either
1495785350 M * gnarface what devuan had for me is a clean upgrade path on systems not using ext4 as a filesystem... even debian couldn't provide that for me
1495785378 M * gnarface *systems not using ext4/3/2
1495785431 M * gnarface compared to devuan, *debian* feels like the fork
1495785584 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1495785588 M * Bertl  morning folks!
1495785757 M * Guy- gnarface: fwiw, I never had problems upgrading debian with xfs or zfs
1495785789 M * Guy- Ghislain: I agree it's a shame vserver is stuck with 4.1 -- I'm going to experiment with lxc on my next box to see if it's usable
1495785804 M * Ghislain hello bertl :)
1495785831 M * Ghislain the issue is that we are david against goliath but we lack the stone thrower :)
1495785850 M * Ghislain and goliath has a helmet this time
1495785927 M * Ghislain the issue is apart from jails not any project permit to have network in a guest that is protected from this guest messing it up
1495785990 M * Ghislain they all setup network card emulated that connect to switches that must have firewall rules etc..
1495786004 M * Ghislain performance wise and KISS principle standard wise this is lost
1495786146 M * Ghislain with systemd bending my rigth arm, kernel vulnerability bending my left they really want me to stop resisting i guess :)
1495786162 M * Ghislain this is all poutine's fault ;p
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1495786199 M * Ghislain i am sure Fox!News will proove that systemd is a russian apptempt to destabilize the world :D
1495786212 M * nikolay Ghislain, to your previous question: there is such distro, I use it - Gentoo Linux
1495786234 M * nikolay [IP-] [  ] sys-apps/openrc-0.24.2:0
1495786391 M * Ghislain i used gentoo ages ago on my laptop, but each openoffice upgrade took me half a day of compile time. I think gentoo has some binary packages now
1495786680 M * Guy- https://fun.irq.dk/funroll-loops.org/
1495786955 M * nikolay indeed, it does
1495786963 M * nikolay it is all about choice...
1495787462 M * Ghislain yes i know, i choose vserver because of the beautifull and simple design but Bertl did not go IPO like docker facebook and ubuntu so we lack ressources to bring it to the top ;p
1495788163 M * Ghislain i picture david and bertl going ipo with "vserver tech international"
1495788175 M * Guy- *daniel
1495788177 M * Ghislain david.. i mean Daniel...
1495788181 M * Ghislain yes lol
1495788192 M * Ghislain i was still in david vs goliath it seems
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1495792827 M * Bertl  off for now ... bbl
1495792832 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1495836649 M * Bertl_oO  off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1495836650 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
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