1464915151 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1464915390 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:21f:d0ff:fed6:d63f 1464918887 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1464918888 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1464923989 Q * AndrewLee Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464925188 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@210.240.39.201 1464926029 J * LongyanG ~long@15255.s.time4vps.eu 1464926130 Q * Long_yanG Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464937235 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1464948209 J * menomc ~amery@kwa.jpi.io 1464948326 Q * mnemoc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464948569 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1464948574 M * Bertl morning folks! 1464951953 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464954516 M * Guy- hi 1464954543 M * Guy- can I DNAT packets (using iptables on the host) from the internet to 127.(high byte of xid).(low byte of xid).1 and have them reach a guest? 1464954602 M * Guy- but without giving the guest a non-local IP, it won't be able to make connections to outside the host, right? 1464954990 M * Bertl you can probably DNAT it 1464955154 M * Guy- but for outgoing connections, not even SNAT helps because the guest wouldn't find a pre-NAT IP to use for outgoing connections...? 1464955227 M * Bertl well, obviously that's your intention if you do not provide a non-local IP 1464955256 M * Bertl local IPs are by definition local and not intended for 'outgoing' connections 1464955292 M * Guy- well, my use case is slightly unusual 1464955308 M * Guy- I'm setting up a box that will operate in a network environment I know very little about 1464955319 M * Guy- I don't know what private ranges are in use there, for example 1464955358 M * Guy- so it would actually make sense to use loopback IPs for the guests, and then for outgoing connections SNAT to whatever IP the host has (which will be assigned via DHCP) 1464955397 M * Guy- (I can't just give the guests IPs from a private range because if there is a conflict, the host will not be able to talk to the real external hosts that have those IPs) 1464955473 M * Bertl a proper approach would be to request addresses via DHCP 1464955533 M * Guy- I may not be eligible for more than one 1464955556 M * Guy- but yes, I agree with you that would be the correct way 1464955570 M * Guy- (it's not supported directly; I'd have to script it, right?) 1464955604 M * Bertl there was some ongoing efford to automate that, but I don't know if this made it into util-vserver 1464955619 M * Guy- or I could abuse e.g. the carrier-grade NAT address space ;) 1464955654 M * Guy- or pick random dialup addresses from around the world... 1464955656 M * Guy- j/k 1464955671 M * Bertl you can also buy a number of IP addresses and use them for this purpose 1464955699 M * Bertl as long as you always NAT them when going out of your system, it's perfectly fine 1464955716 M * CcxCZ Or say IPv4 is unsupported and everyone should move on already. :P 1464955772 M * Guy- Bertl: I work for a company that owns a class B block... I wonder when we'll get to the point that the value of this address space makes up more than 50% of the company's worth :) 1464959584 Q * AndrewLee Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464963947 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@210.240.39.201 1464964703 Q * padde Remote host closed the connection 1464964780 J * padde ~padde@patrick-nagel.net 1464965980 Q * Defaultti Quit: Quitting. 1464966112 J * Defaultti defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi 1464974799 Q * AndrewLee Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1464975011 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@210.240.39.201 1464981487 M * Bertl off for a nap ... bbl 1464981488 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1464984280 N * menomc mnemoc 1464990276 Q * Ghislain Quit: Leaving. 1464996332 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1464996332 M * Bertl back now ...