1440029647 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1440029658 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1440029901 J * fstd_ ~fstd@xdsl-87-78-13-2.netcologne.de 1440030126 Q * fstd Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1440030126 N * fstd_ fstd 1440030305 Q * fstd Remote host closed the connection 1440041919 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-87-78-182-52.netcologne.de 1440046409 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1440048697 Q * kwork Remote host closed the connection 1440052134 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p578b6aa1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1440053744 J * nikolayK ~nkichukov@199.91.137.248 1440054722 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1440056023 Q * eyck Quit: leaving 1440056069 J * eyck ~eyck@u28n61.nowanet.pl 1440056071 Q * eyck 1440056089 J * eyck ~eyck@u28n61.nowanet.pl 1440056290 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@fw.gkh-setu.de 1440061981 N * harry harrydg 1440062778 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1440062780 M * Bertl morning folks! 1440065228 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1440065844 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@fw.gkh-setu.de 1440067519 J * monsieurp ~monsieurp@host-37-191-220-247.lynet.no 1440067948 M * monsieurp Hi there im trying to set up a VPS with Linux VServer but no luck so far. The host is a Gentoo amd64 OS. I've been able to compile an boot into the latest experimental kernel and install util-vserver, that worked out ok. Now I'm trying to create "guests" (or "jails", or whatever you call it), and I run into an error about broken fds in /dev. Here's the complete output I've captured: https://bpaste.net/s 1440067954 M * monsieurp how/40a86b3c75aa 1440067956 M * monsieurp https://bpaste.net/show/40a86b3c75aa 1440068099 M * Bertl looks fine, but why do you chroot into the guest? 1440068143 M * Bertl when you use chroot, you won't have e.g. /proc mounted, which in turn will cause such errors as you are seeing 1440068168 M * Bertl if you want to enter a guest, use the enter command 1440068189 M * Bertl if you have everything setup, the guest should be running e.g. sshd, and you can ssh into the guest 1440068217 M * CcxCZ `start` it first before attempting `enter` though :-) 1440068254 M * Bertl after enabling a service, e.g. cron :) 1440068290 M * CcxCZ hmm yeah, with initstyle gentoo you need to make sure it leaves process running 1440068440 M * CcxCZ if you want to chroot into the system, eg. to emerge things when the actual vserver is constrained to small memory footprint, you need to do all the steps yourself (mounting & unmounting filesystems) 1440068569 M * Bertl you can still use the enter functionality for that 1440068694 M * CcxCZ well yeah, but I tend to constrain my vservers so that compiling is unfeasible (not to mention not having portage mounted in there) 1440068748 M * Bertl fair enough 1440068951 M * CcxCZ also restricting some of them to not have outbound internet access might complicate matters :] (along with preventing it joining a botnet or spam network) 1440069112 M * CcxCZ monsieurp: something along the lines of http://wpr.cz/ccx/bzr/fsb/raw/template/chroot.sh which I use for stage-building might help you with that :-) 1440072122 M * monsieurp sorry I was afk 1440072148 M * monsieurp so 1440072368 M * monsieurp here's the output I'm getting when I'm trying to start the guest: https://bpaste.net/show/467950ea1311 1440072422 Q * fstd Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1440072466 M * monsieurp given the warning I got earlier, I presume I have to install "something" (e.g. cron) for the guest to boot up 1440072509 M * monsieurp Bertl: .. which leads me back to chrooting into the guest :) 1440072567 M * CcxCZ monsieurp: ln -s /vservers/…/etc/runlevels/default/vixie-cron /etc/init.d/vixie-cron 1440072573 M * CcxCZ or something along those lines 1440072683 M * Bertl monsieurp: yes, as I said, you can do that, but you have to make sure that you mount e.g. proc and similar yourself 1440072719 M * CcxCZ monsieurp: if you are unsure how to enter chroot with gentoo system, consult the handbook ;-) 1440072746 M * monsieurp I'm just confused cause some stuff are mounted and some others are not :) 1440072751 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1440072761 M * monsieurp e.g. /dev 1440072776 M * CcxCZ nothing is automatically mounted for chrooting 1440072789 M * monsieurp why can I ping within the chroot? 1440072807 M * CcxCZ why couldn't you? 1440072872 M * CcxCZ vserver creates separate fs namespace, so things mounted for the vserver (such as /proc or /sys) aren't visible from the host - and vice versa 1440072905 M * monsieurp I've always assumed so far that to be able to talk to the outside world within a chroot, /dev (and /proc) must be mounted 1440072928 M * monsieurp right, ok, makes sense 1440073008 M * monsieurp vserver sources are not very well maintained for Gentoo and I should step up and do something about it. 1440073013 M * CcxCZ no, this is not plan9, network is not represented via filesystem but via BSD-style sockets :] 1440073028 M * monsieurp CcxCZ: like jails? basically 1440073053 M * CcxCZ I'm saying networking needs no /dev 1440073146 M * monsieurp CcxCZ: prior to Gentoo, I was using FreeBSD extensively and I'm familiar with jails more than I am with things like vservers and containers 1440073177 M * monsieurp been looking out for a similar method on Linux for a while and decided to go for VServer which looks very much the same 1440073223 M * CcxCZ I'm not all too familiar with jails, but for OS-level "virtualization" I indeed very much prefer vserver on linux 1440073228 M * Ghislain same but w