1438062872 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com
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1438067737 J * tanjix ~tanjix@ip-178-200-54-202.hsi07.unitymediagroup.de
1438067749 M * tanjix good morning!
1438067995 M * tanjix on a newly setup linux-vserver host (debian 8.1, x64) i have some issues when starting a guest and I don't know, what's going wrong. i built a new guest (debian jessie, x64 as well) using vserver ... build with debootstrap method. all went fine. when starting the guest, it tells me:
1438068002 M * tanjix vshelper.init: can not determine xid of vserver 'jessie'; returned value was '' 
1438068011 M * tanjix but the context is set!
1438068140 M * tanjix my kernel is 3.18.14 with vs2.3.7.4 utils
1438068149 M * tanjix testme.sh script works fine
1438068173 M * tanjix anyone here that can hlep? thank you! ;)
1438068512 M * tanjix pardon, the utils is: 0.30.216-pre3119-jessie0.1
1438068854 M * tanjix after trying to start the guest and getting the above error, my host itself is nearly unusable, as it says that e.g. /proc must be mounted. when i do this and issue a "vserver-stat" i see the guest with the correct context id.
1438068893 M * tanjix trying to enter it by "vserver jessie enter" tells me this is supported only for running guests. trying to stop the guest also tells me the guest is not running
1438071761 M * tanjix update: it seems to be some host-os related issue. i installed debian wheezy (kernel 3.18.11-vs2.3.7.4, utils 0.30.216-pre3119) and don't see these issues.
1438071776 M * tanjix Anyway I would like my host to be the latest os. What is the trick here? Thanks ;)
1438072070 M * Bertl_oO most likely your "latest os" doesn't execute the util-vserver init scripts
1438072091 M * Bertl_oO so you probably have to run them nanually, most importantly the vprocunhide script
1438072108 M * tanjix vprocunhide was started
1438072172 M * tanjix root@node6:~# /etc/init.d/vprocunhide status
1438072172 M * tanjix root@node6:~#
1438072182 M * tanjix gives: /proc entries were fixed
1438072207 M * Bertl_oO also make sure that the cgroups fs is in the right place
1438072219 M * Bertl_oO or at least that the tools know where to search for it
1438072242 M * tanjix mh, where?
1438072283 M * tanjix i used the tools from repo.psand.net and assumed, that everything is correct after installing them ;)
1438072311 M * Bertl_oO well, you probably should report that issue to psand/beng
1438072337 M * Bertl_oO by default, the cgroupfs is mounted on /dev/cgroups IIRC
1438072361 M * Bertl_oO but you can change that in the config
1438072367 M * Bertl_oO http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1438072372 M * Bertl_oO search for cgroups
1438072380 M * Bertl_oO (or better cgroup)
1438072471 M * tanjix there is no /dev/cgroup and no /etc/vservers/.defaults/cgroup - so it is maybe not used?
1438072500 M * Bertl_oO recent kernels use the cgroups for limits and similar
1438072508 M * Bertl_oO so you definitely want to get that right
1438072540 M * tanjix hmm, but have no idea, how I should do so :/
1438072549 M * Bertl_oO anyway, off to bed now ... daniel_hozac might know more
1438072557 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1438072566 M * tanjix good night ;)
1438073957 J * Gremble ~Gremble@cpc29-aztw22-2-0-cust128.18-1.cable.virginm.net
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1438075013 M * AlexanderS tanjix: some other people reported, that it works with jessie if you use sysvinit and not systemd, afaik you have to install sysvinit-core
1438076263 M * tanjix AlexanderS: Thanks, I will try this right now
1438076272 M * Gremble need to get that stuff on the wiki I think
1438076907 M * tanjix AlexanderS: your hint did the trick. Thank you! ;)
1438076957 M * AlexanderS tanjix: no problem...
1438077056 M * AlexanderS Gremble: it would be better to fix the actual problem... i think systemd remounts the root as shared or something like that
1438077309 J * wicope ~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net
1438077539 M * Gremble AlexanderS, yes of course, but I'm not sure the problems with systemd are necessarily solvable
1438078242 M * Gremble http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian
1438078243 M * Ghislain systemd want to be a cgroup manager therefor would not be able to run inside a container unless given sys_admin capability which negte all security in the container
1438078261 M * Ghislain s/negte/negate/
1438078305 M * Gremble there's often been some issue with Debian and Linux-Vserver - the last cycle was calm, but all the others have had troubles
1438078329 M * Gremble we, and I'll personally start this today, need to update the wiki page
1438078340 M * Gremble (http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian)
1438078344 M * Ghislain systemd want to mange the cgroup, create devices etc.. and there is no way to tell him to just be a sysinit system and logger and all stuff other than that
1438078351 M * Ghislain good initiative :)
1438078385 M * Ghislain i can provide reviews if you need help on that, for me all install went fine as long as you do not use systemd
1438078412 M * Gremble making exceptions for different boot systems is also part of the standard linux-vserver experience, as anyone who's used upstart on an Ubuntu guest knows
1438081070 Q * tanjix 
1438082338 M * Gremble http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian
1438082343 M * Gremble updated, please have a look
1438082351 M * Gremble Ghislain, ^
1438082441 M * Ghislain thanks, i will have a look at it !
1438083495 M * AlexanderS Gremble: I think the systemd problems are on the host side... If systemd is used in the host, vservers could not start and umount /proc and /sys during startup...
1438083591 M * Gremble AlexanderS, I think I've had systemd on the host without issue, this was dealt with on the mailing list recently, but if you have test cases showing different please provide them
1438083611 M * Gremble I can't remember the particulars
1438083738 M * Gremble ah, we do have a report from Adrian Reyer that stopping guests on systemd based systems cause the loss of /dev, /proc and /sys
1438083754 M * Gremble so yes, it might be true that systemd needs removing on host systems too
1438083758 M * undefined http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2015-07/LOG_2015-07-21.txt
1438083772 M * undefined there's you your particulars about a host with systemd
1438083828 M * undefined and that irc log references http://irc.13thfloor.at/LOG/2015-06/LOG_2015-06-05.txt where the problem was exactly the same with a previous user
1438083834 M * Gremble ah okay
1438083847 M * Gremble so could you state the solution in the wiki?
1438083882 M * undefined nope; i could only identify the symptoms that the problem was systemd
1438083898 M * undefined and don't have time to update the wiki as the wiki hates me
1438083958 M * Gremble okay, so the current recommendation is to remove systemd from the host
1438083959 M * Gremble ?
1438083991 M * AlexanderS I think this two commits were supposed to fix the problem: https://github.com/linux-vserver/util-vserver/commit/2698c20ae4 and https://github.com/linux-vserver/util-vserver/commit/7c2397d7c111 but we have to revert the later one because it breaks the admin namespace: https://github.com/linux-vserver/util-vserver/commit/9877e4b9
1438084012 M * AlexanderS Gremble: yes
1438084192 M * Gremble wiki updated
1438084419 M * AlexanderS (I just fixed a copy/paste error)
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1438094677 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1438094678 M * Bertl morning folks!
1438095098 M * Ghislain hello
1438095154 M * Bertl hey, how's going?
1438095306 M * Ghislain well not bad and you ?
1438095328 M * Bertl fine, thanks!
1438095397 M * Ghislain when you have less than a wordpress compromise a day things are good ;p
1438095450 M * Bertl hehe
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1438117644 M * Bertl off for a nap ... bbl
1438117653 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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