1430441110 Q * opuk Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430450395 J * opuk ~kupo@h-1-5.a176.priv.bahnhof.se 1430453845 J * Aiken_ ~Aiken@d63f.h.jbmb.net 1430454007 Q * opuk Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430454155 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430454545 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1430454553 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1430454702 J * Carpoon ~Carpoon@5400182B.dsl.pool.telekom.hu 1430455083 Q * Carpoon_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430457542 J * opuk ~kupo@h-1-5.a176.priv.bahnhof.se 1430461998 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1430463970 J * nikolayK ~nikolay.k@199.91.137.248 1430474073 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-156-27.adsl.restena.lu 1430476326 J * Gremble ~Gremble@cpc29-aztw22-2-0-cust128.18-1.cable.virginm.net 1430478320 Q * Aiken_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430481558 Q * fstd Remote host closed the connection 1430481570 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-87-78-80-232.netcologne.de 1430486267 J * sannes ~ace@2a02:fe0:c120:9660:b1f2:9477:b0ef:8157 1430486273 Q * sannes 1430486693 Q * ensc|w Remote host closed the connection 1430486702 J * ensc|w ~ensc@62.153.82.27 1430486717 J * Wermwud ~Wermwud@69-29-150-18.stat.centurytel.net 1430487670 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1430487672 M * Bertl morning folks! 1430487888 J * wicope ~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net 1430489448 M * nikolayK afternoon Bertl 1430491142 M * Guy- hi 1430491158 M * Guy- I'm trying to start an opensuse 13.1 guest (which already has systemd) 1430491168 M * Guy- is there some common wisdom on how to do that? 1430491182 M * Guy- if I use initstyle plain, it just starts process 1, which sits there doing who knows what 1430491297 M * Guy- with no initstyle it fails to start completely 1430491377 M * Guy- (I would prefer a solution that doesn't involve actually running systemd) 1430491426 M * Guy- I found http://archives.linux-vserver.org/201501/0004.html which reinforces this preference :) 1430491872 M * Bertl well, you can always put in your own (or older) sysv init scripts 1430491880 M * Bertl they will work fine for most services 1430492195 M * Guy- I'm currently copying runit into it 1430492198 M * Guy- that should also work 1430492202 M * Guy- but it's a kludge... 1430492685 M * Bertl A main goal of Linux-VServer was to avoid having an init process inside a guest, but obviously Lennart has convinced most distributions that systemd is the solution :/ 1430492737 M * Guy- I don't mind having an init process, but I very much resent systemd 1430492774 M * Guy- no doubt systemd will eventually also encompass and envelop lxc stuff 1430492793 M * Guy- so it'll be able to start and manage containers, for the greater glory of the blood god 1430497030 Q * nikolayK Quit: Leaving 1430498000 Q * Wermwud magnet.oftc.net kinetic.oftc.net 1430498010 J * Wermwud ~Wermwud@69-29-150-18.stat.centurytel.net 1430498010 Q * Wermwud Read error: Connection reset by peer 1430498033 J * Wermwud ~Wermwud@69-29-150-18.stat.centurytel.net 1430500667 Q * wicope Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1430501210 J * wicope ~wicope@0001fd8a.user.oftc.net 1430502685 M * Ghislain systemd is trying to replace initd and i have no issue for that but it want also be ntp, dhcp, lxc etc.. therefor it is a problem 1430502699 M * Ghislain for us at least 1430504760 M * Bertl systemd is not an init replacement, systemd is trying to do everything, and fails horrible if something is not exactly as expected 1430506564 Q * Gremble Read error: No route to host 1430512000 Q * Wermwud Quit: Leaving (Please imagine me slamming the door on my way out) 1430513710 Q * wicope Read error: Connection reset by peer 1430514821 J * Aiken ~Aiken@quarry.jbmb.net 1430515679 M * daniel_hozac Guy-: yeah, there's no good way to do it right now. it's bring your own initscripts for whichever system you use, be it runit or sysv. 1430516066 M * Guy- which is not a problem with Debian which has good runit packages, but SuSE... 1430516330 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1430516370 M * daniel_hozac Debian is probably the only one where you can still reasonably use something else. 1430516380 M * daniel_hozac without doing everything yourself, i mean. 1430517214 M * Ghislain yes 1430517244 M * Ghislain this is not a bad thing to replace the init but doing it like this is not cool things 1430517271 M * Ghislain especialy the thing: i am a container ! but you can use container , just give them all rigth on the host and it will do 1430517302 M * Ghislain most Lxc use now a old firewall failure: give sys_admin, then restrict from there. Proven fail mecanism 1430518168 J * Wermwud ~Wermwud@69-29-150-18.stat.centurytel.net 1430520112 Q * Wermwud Quit: Leaving (Please imagine me slamming the door on my way out) 1430523027 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1430523734 Q * Ghislain Read error: Connection reset by peer 1430524760 Q * fstd Remote host closed the connection 1430524771 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-87-78-14-203.netcologne.de