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1424421559 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1424421570 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1424434181 M * uxbod Greetings all
1424434191 M * uxbod looking for a little help please with vserver
1424434214 M * uxbod we are attempting to get a Debian Jessie guest running but hitting a showstopper
1424434221 M * uxbod we have set the init to be plain
1424434244 M * uxbod but on starting the guest DBUS never starts; which means systemd will not work as it reports
1424434259 M * uxbod Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
1424434270 M * uxbod have any of you come across this ?
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1424438201 M * Ghislain use init based boot and not systemd
1424438239 M * Ghislain systemd wants to  be an init system, a container system, a docker system, a ntp server, a ..add favorite troll here
1424438784 M * uxbod :)
1424438817 M * uxbod the problem we have is that some software expects systemd
1424438847 M * uxbod and as Ubuntu is going systemd as-well it kinda becomes moot anyway
1424438854 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1424438873 M * Bertl morning folks!
1424438875 M * uxbod we have tried using upstart and the systemd-shim but that broke other things
1424438877 M * uxbod morning
1424438911 M * uxbod guessing systemd is failing as it needs full access to cgroups :(
1424438966 M * Bertl most likely, but as systemd claims to run on LXC and similar container solutions, it should only be a question of configuration (or patching systemd to recognize Linux-VServer)
1424438982 M * AlexanderS you may want to have pid namespaces for full access to cgroups...
1424439005 M * AlexanderS (LXC may have pid namespaces enabled)
1424439024 M * uxbod I have CentOS7 running under OpenVZ so yes agree Bertl
1424439045 M * uxbod problem is stuck where to look next :(
1424439056 M * uxbod we are using Wheezy as the vserver host
1424439060 M * fback uxbod: switch to sysvinit
1424439108 M * fback and drop systemd, unless you want to research this area and share your knowledge :)
1424439231 M * uxbod will give that a try as we need to run Jessie for specific reasons
1424439246 M * uxbod and up against a deadline as normal
1424439343 M * fback I don't think debian's going to ditch "traditional" init anytime soon
1424439383 M * fback they just install systemd by default with jesse/sid, but you always can switch back to traditional init scripts
1424439413 M * fback (and in my opinion this is best you can do for container)
1424439425 M * uxbod will give it a try thanks
1424439452 M * fback just remember to disable services you don't need
1424439523 M * fback and the ones related to hardware init and host-based stuff (eg. networking, if you don't use netns)
1424439607 M * Ghislain systemd runs on lxc if you give cap_sysadmin so if you leave it completly unsecured. They just started in january a file system wrapper to try to make this works on non priviledged system but this is pre alpha stage
1424439660 M * uxbod ^^ yuck, exactly what we want to avoid doing
1424439696 M * Ghislain systemd try to do all including it's own containerisation, you cannot mix it unless they finish pâtching and twearking it to make it work under lignthly virtualised system
1424439719 M * Bertl one alternative might be uselessd
1424439722 M * Ghislain but i never feel confident on a system design that require those ugly workaround to work on a concept that has 15 year
1424439768 N * a1-away AbyssOne
1424439780 M * fback but why use uselessd, when you can switch back to good ol' sysv init scripts ;)
1424439801 M * Bertl yeah, I don't know why folks want to run systemd in a container anyway
1424439808 M * uxbod not I cannot get rid of systemd :)
1424439810 M * Bertl but as usual, YMMV
1424439812 M * uxbod now*
1424439833 M * uxbod time to rebuild the guest and use the preseed approach to install sysvinit
1424439920 M * fback systemd heavily depends on pidns, or whatever it's called
1424440018 M * fback in theory it's the only hard requirement of systemd
1424440022 M * uxbod call it an early day and go to the pub I think! :)
1424440079 M * fback Bertl: because it's easier to just set up system using defaults :)
1424440096 M * fback or better: guest system
1424440140 M * Bertl if distributions would address container systems properly, that wouldn't be a problem
1424440292 M * fback Bertl: I think it's the question of dedicated installer
1424440347 M * AlexanderS pidns should not be a real problem for linux-vserver (at least for plain init)... the only thing that have to be changed would be, that chcontext should not fork anymore before starting the init process...
1424440348 M * Bertl shouldn't it be more a question of proper package dependencies, like having a base-system-container package or so?
1424440387 M * fback Bertl: that would be another solution, yes
1424440418 M * fback and in fact that would be very easy to do
1424440432 M * fback at least for debian and derivated
1424440445 M * fback the real problem is: somebody has to do this ;)
1424440470 M * Bertl as usual ...
1424440475 M * fback and be able to successfully push it upstream
1424440486 M * fback yep, as usual
1424442021 M * undefined uxbod: how are you installing jessie?
1424442037 M * undefined i might try this myself this weekend out of personal curiousity
1424442059 M * uxbod bootstrapped it
1424442068 M * undefined just pointing to jessie?
1424442072 M * uxbod yep
1424442076 M * undefined gotcha
1424442088 M * undefined (figured, but thought i would ask)
1424442102 M * uxbod had to make a change in util-vserver for the version
1424442127 M * undefined post-debootstrap clean-up script?
1424442146 M * uxbod let me check the build server
1424442168 M * undefined i had to make a few changes to build the most recent util-vserver as debs
1424442362 M * uxbod just pulled down the latest bootstrap deb which has Jessie support
1424442368 M * undefined gotcha
1424442377 M * undefined yeah, i'll probably just copy over the debootstrap script
1424442379 M * undefined for jessie
1424442433 M * undefined full disclosure: i'll download the jessie debootstrap, but extract from it the jessie script and copy that script into my wheezy debootstrap installation
1424442479 M * undefined i've had to do it before, for creating new ubuntu pbuilder chroots (to build packages for new ubuntu installations) on an older debian installation
1424442507 M * undefined it's usually easier than backporting the package or taking chances with just installing it as-is
1424442571 M * undefined i'll start with jessie (with systemd) in an lxc container and move to linux-vserver
1424442597 M * undefined now that i have lxc working on a linux-vserver kernel
1424442643 M * undefined (and know a little bit about lxc)
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