1414544066 Q * zerick Quit: Saliendo 1414544401 Q * fstd Remote host closed the connection 1414544413 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-81-173-187-134.netcologne.de 1414560275 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1414570061 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@87.253.171.210 1414570471 J * swenTjuln ~Swen@195.95.173.243 1414575803 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1414575813 M * Bertl morning folks! 1414577182 Q * CcxCZ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1414577273 J * CcxCZ ~ccxCZ@asterix.te2000.cz 1414581433 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl 1414581433 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1414587601 Q * fstd Remote host closed the connection 1414587644 J * fstd ~fstd@xdsl-87-78-16-101.netcologne.de 1414589162 Q * Aiken Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1414590262 J * Aiken ~Aiken@quarry.jbmb.net 1414590755 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1414592240 J * BenG ~BenG@cpc29-aztw22-2-0-cust128.18-1.cable.virginm.net 1414593309 Q * BlackPanx Read error: No route to host 1414593366 Q * CcxCZ Quit: lets power down the whole building 1414598921 J * zerick ~eocrospom@190.118.16.131 1414602445 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1414602463 Q * zerick Quit: Saliendo 1414602485 J * zerick ~eocrospom@190.118.16.131 1414605879 J * Ghislain1 ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1414605903 M * Bertl_oO off for a nap ... bbl 1414605905 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1414606126 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:a18:22d:6e01:5991:3172:c15f:3176 1414606206 Q * Ghislain Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1414606230 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1414610375 J * theocrite ~Hubert@kim.theocrite.org 1414610658 Q * tsam Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1414610807 J * tsam ~Hubert@kim.theocrite.org 1414613378 J * Aiken ~Aiken@d63f.h.jbmb.net 1414614724 Q * zerick Read error: Operation timed out 1414616378 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@d003160.adsl.hansenet.de 1414616934 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1414616938 M * Bertl back now ... 1414617891 Q * hlew 1414619651 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1414621328 J * benl ~benl@dockoffice.sonassihosting.com 1414621334 M * benl Hey guys 1414621355 M * benl I'm having a blonde moment and wouldn't mind be patronised with some info 1414621390 M * benl I think I've got a guest where the attr's are messed up on the /var/lib/vserver/__GUEST__ dir 1414621409 M * benl cd /var/lib/vserver/__GUEST__ dir; chroot . -- fails with "No such file or directory" 1414621435 M * benl which also causes vserver __GUEST__ start to fail (with execvp("/etc/init.d/rc"): No such file or directory) 1414621454 M * benl I'm sure its a barrier issue, or something like that 1414621460 M * Guy- benl: chroot failing like that just means the guest root doesn't contain your shell or one of its library dependencies 1414621483 M * benl I thought as much 1414621484 M * Guy- benl: you could try strace -f chroot . 1414621560 M * Bertl a good idea is to take a known good static shell (e.g. ash, busybox, etc) and copy it into the guest dir, then use this for chroot 1414621561 M * benl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/270599 1414621579 M * benl I did copy in bash from a new/clean guest - but no joy. 1414621586 M * Guy- bash is not static 1414621595 M * Guy- it could still be missing unimportant stuff like libc 1414621664 M * Bertl you can use bash, but you have to compile it as static :) 1414621672 M * Guy- benl: your strace output doesn't help much; seeing that bash is there, it could still be a barrier problem (although I recall the kernel sending some message about that to dmesg), or libc could be missing 1414621762 M * Guy- Bertl: can you even compile bash completely statically? aren't there some bits (like nss) that it will always load dynamically? 1414621851 M * benl I've compared the strace to a working `chroot .` - and it differs at line +34 of the pastebin 1414621869 M * benl (ie. when it tries to execute /bin/bash) 1414621887 M * Guy- obviously 1414621887 M * benl Its a curious one. 1414621924 M * Guy- but I think it would look exactly like this if the dynamic linker were missing 1414621944 M * Guy- can you try a static shell? 1414621946 M * benl I think you are dead on 1414621965 M * Guy- also, make sure the shell binary you copied there is the right arch 1414621984 M * Bertl Guy-: you can disable a lot of things in the bash config :) 1414621990 M * benl its missing libs 1414622001 M * Guy- Bertl: OK, I haven't looked at it in a while, I'll take your word for it :) 1414622007 M * benl http://paste.linux-vserver.org/270600 1414622047 M * Guy- Bertl: but I seem to recall it's impossible to link against glibc completely statically due to nss issues (and maybe the dns resolver? -- memories are vague) 1414622060 M * Guy- of course it might be possible with musl or some other libc even then 1414622123 M * Guy- benl: yes, looks like missing libc 1414622136 M * Guy- (and missing dynamic linker) 1414622222 M * benl :) 1414622235 M * benl So now we've established I'm an idiot 1414622239 M * benl Here's a real question 1414622336 M * benl Why have you guys let Docker (LXC) become the standard in containerisation 1414622363 M * Guy- "let"? :) 1414622384 M * Guy- the vserver developers are like 2.1 guys 1414622386 M * benl I'm saying "let" - because you guys have been all over containerisation with (arguably) the better product 1414622404 M * Guy- docker has sexy marketing 1414622408 M * benl That it does 1414622409 M * Bertl benl: let me answer that with a question: why did you let that happen? :) 1414622417 M * benl Pants. 1414622419 M * benl Touché 1414622461 M * benl Vserver has been such a big part of my linux career - it annoys me every time people praise docker for its "innovitiveness" 1414622492 M * benl Even bloody Microsoft are behind Docker now ... 1414622531 M * benl What do you reckon, is it too late to compete? 1414622543 M * benl Or the best possible time - given containerisation is on everyones radar? 1414622582 M * Bertl Linux-VServer was innovative 10+ years ago 1414622600 M * benl (case and point) 1414622615 M * Bertl I'm fine with LXC now being innovative, it will hopefully reach Linux-VServer quality soon 1414622650 M * benl That should have been you Bertl 1414622651 M * Bertl then we all can move on and smile everytime somebody talks about the innovativeness of LXC :) 1414622655 M * benl (and Daniel) 1414622656 P * undefined 1414623032 M * benl I would love to know the reasons LXC pipped you to the Kernel 1414623049 M * benl That's probably the core reason for its sucess (as no patching/faffing required) 1414623053 J * undefined ~undefined@00011a48.user.oftc.net 1414623087 M * Bertl there was Linux-VServer and OpenVZ back then 1414623125 M * Bertl when the kernel discovered that isolation is a good thing (a few years ago) they didn't want to decide which one should go mainstream 1414623140 M * Bertl so they simply started developing the technology from scratch 1414623155 M * Bertl this is how control groups and LXC were born 1414623254 M * benl why reinvent the wheel though? 1414623291 M * Bertl for political reasons I guess 1414623486 M * benl Boo 1414623494 M * benl On that note, its enough trolling 1414623504 M * benl But you guys should totally redo your website 1414623517 M * benl If I can spare the resources in-house, are you interested? 1414623640 M * Bertl it's a wiki, what do you want to 'redo'? 1414623646 M * benl Make it pretty. 1414623650 M * benl People like pretty. 1414623659 M * Bertl feel free to do that anytime :) 1414623675 M * benl There's a given standard nowadays 1414623681 M * benl http://docs.ansible.com/ - is simple and clean 1414623686 M * Bertl as long as pretty doesn't interfere with functional, it's fine for us 1414623723 M * Bertl to be honest, I find this page ugly :) 1414623758 M * benl I can't argue with personal tase 1414623762 M * benl *taste 1414623778 M * benl But you could certainly do with a refresh, something to promote the product a bit better 1414623789 M * benl Make it more accessible and understandable to the average user 1414623808 M * Bertl as I said, feel free to enhance the wiki with information and documentation 1414623816 M * daniel_hozac actual up-to-date documentation would probably be more useful than putting make-up on the corpse. 1414623833 M * benl As a long-term user, I would agree 1414623840 M * benl As a first-time visitor, I wholly disagree 1414623920 M * benl Have you done any work with core-os yet? 1414623977 M * Bertl not on my end 1414623990 M * benl Its a fascinating one 1414623998 M * benl Its basically what we've been building over the yeards 1414623999 M * benl *years 1414624241 M * benl Anyway 1414624243 M * benl home time 1414624248 M * benl Catch you guys later! 1414624265 Q * benl Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 1414625767 Q * Ghislain1 Quit: Leaving.