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1386664856 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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1386694169 J * grembleb ~bengreen@cpc35-aztw23-2-0-cust207.18-1.cable.virginm.net
1386694190 M * grembleb hey all
1386694221 M * grembleb I'm looking at trying to get kvm/qemu/libvirt working along side of vserver
1386694245 M * grembleb it seems that there's trouble if the cgroupfs is mounted
1386694252 M * grembleb anyone had problems with this?
1386694624 M * grembleb seems if I mount cgroupfs I break my virts
1386694652 M * grembleb I'll experiment, but if anyone has already trodden this road, would be great to know what you've found
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1386696877 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1386696889 M * Bertl morning folks!
1386696942 M * Bertl grembleb: you can mount your cgroup vfs wherever you like, you just need to tell util-vserver where it is
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1386697628 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
1386697886 M * grembleb Bertl, hi
1386697914 M * grembleb the problem appears to be that any mounted cgroupfs causes libvirt machines not to start
1386697933 M * Bertl that sounds like a libvirt problem then?
1386697937 M * grembleb indeed
1386697951 M * grembleb it might be limited to certain versions of libvirt
1386697976 M * Bertl double check that libvirt does not expect the cgroupfs to be mounted somewhere specific
1386697993 M * Bertl or in a specific place, and thus will work just fine if it is mounted there
1386698022 M * Bertl also try to start the libvirt related services before util-vserver and configure util-vserver to use the place libvirt uses
1386698070 M * grembleb I'll have a good mess about with all that soon
1386698101 M * grembleb I'm testing this out on Debian testing/unstable, so I should try stable first
1386698146 M * grembleb okay, for now, I'll try to find out where libvirt does it cgroup stuff
1386698245 M * grembleb it doesn't seem to mount cgroup anywhere Bertl 
1386698262 M * grembleb appearing to make changes to them without them mounted
1386698528 M * Bertl very unlikely :)
1386698556 M * Bertl well, kvm won't need/care about cgroupfs
1386698594 M * Bertl but the system level isolation in libvirt (LXC) is purely based on cgroups
1386698630 M * grembleb I'm using virt-manager for this, could be an error in there also
1386698638 M * daniel_hozac /sys/fs/cgroup or /cgroup are the usual places for it.
1386698672 M * grembleb so this is the current Debian Jessie/Sid I'm testing here
1386698700 M * grembleb there's a new package in experimental, so it won't be the final version that ends up on Jessie that I'm using now
1386698720 M * grembleb I'll test all this on Debian Wheezy tomorrow
1386698731 M * grembleb I expect the story will be very different
1386698740 M * daniel_hozac i doubt it will even work there.
1386698809 M * grembleb how come daniel_hozac ?
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