1380931711 N * l0kit Guest1389 1380931716 J * l0kit ~1oxT@0001b54e.user.oftc.net 1380932082 Q * Guest1389 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1380932708 Q * Ghislain Quit: Leaving. 1380934670 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1380939156 M * user-K Is it normal to have to configure locales for each new vserver guest? I would have expected it to take on the same one assigned to the host during creation? 1380939273 M * user-K Did I miss something during creation of the guest, or does it always have to be created afterwards? 1380939563 Q * allquixotic Remote host closed the connection 1380939763 M * Aiken I think of a guest as a new install that has to be configured from scratch except the few things that come from guest creation like hostname & ip 1380939868 M * Aiken I have vps I use in North America while I am in Australia. I want those locale to be to what I use not to what the host is 1380940023 M * user-K that makes good sense of course. no problem. I only asked to consider whether I had overlooked something in the docs about it. 1380940559 J * thierryp ~thierry@2a01:e35:2e2b:e2c0:c5ba:c369:7590:9b93 1380942042 Q * jrklein Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1380946740 J * lovergirl lovergirl@MTRLPQ3704W-LP140-02-1279325894.dsl.bell.ca 1380946742 M * lovergirl http://Fun4Days.com/sms/sms.php?share=178616 1380946744 P * lovergirl 1380948741 Q * user-K Quit: leaving 1380948916 J * jrklein ~osx@proxy.dnihost.net 1380952636 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1380952662 J * thierryp ~thierry@2a01:e35:2e2b:e2c0:c5ba:c369:7590:9b93 1380953144 Q * thierryp Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1380956209 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1380956786 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl_oO 1380959300 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1380959322 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1380959807 Q * thierryp Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1380961544 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1380963540 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-156-206.adsl.restena.lu 1380964425 J * sannes ~ace@cm-84.211.100.82.getinternet.no 1380968192 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1380968195 Q * Ghislain 1380970751 Q * ircuser-1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1380972418 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1380973308 J * ircuser-1 ~ircuser-1@35.222-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net 1380986617 Q * cuba33ci Remote host closed the connection 1380986663 J * cuba33ci ~cuba33ci@114-25-196-143.dynamic.hinet.net 1380999631 J * eyck_ ~eyck@u28n61.nowanet.pl 1380999746 Q * eyck Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1381002154 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:21f:d0ff:fed6:d63f 1381004323 J * user-K ~username@pool-71-170-154-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net 1381005220 J * Walex ~Walex@cl-203.lon-02.gb.sixxs.net 1381005600 M * user-K Will the following settings allow me to assign the host's physical network adapter (namely, enpsf1) to function as the guest's virtual network adapter (namely, eth0) during installation: "vserver guest-name build --netdev enpsf1 --interface eth0:192.168.1.2/24 ..."? 1381010477 Q * Aiken Quit: Leaving 1381010966 N * l0kit Guest1477 1381010972 J * l0kit ~1oxT@0001b54e.user.oftc.net 1381011337 Q * Guest1477 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1381012039 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:21f:d0ff:fed6:d63f 1381012056 M * user-K I think it is safe to say, "no, it would not do that." 1381012422 M * daniel_hozac that is not at all how networking works with vserver. 1381012487 M * user-K I do like this program, so far. Yet, I believe the documentation needs some work. :) 1381013014 M * user-K So I have to ask now, what is the purpose of the "netdev" command option if "interface" is used to specify the physical adapter, as it appears to me at this point? 1381013449 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1381013457 M * user-K daniel_hozac: feel free to contribute something further whenever you're ready. I'm just hanging around talking outload while I work here. 1381013481 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1381013489 M * Bertl the 'dev' entry (or nodev entry) is basically information for the tool (util-vserver) if they should manage the IP for you 1381013541 M * Bertl if you specify a 'dev', then util-vserver will not only assign the IP to the network context, it will also add that IP to the specified interface when the guest is started, and remove it again when the guest is stopped 1381013581 M * Bertl 'nodev' OTOH means that util-vserver will only assign the IP to the network context, but leave the host network configuration untouched 1381013612 M * Bertl so, basically it assumes that you have already or will at some point add that IP to your (host) network stack 1381013670 M * Bertl user-K: and regarding documentation: all our (recent) documentation is in the source code and the wiki, so feel free to improve the wiki by adding all the information it is missing, just make sure that it is really missing and accurate :) 1381013850 M * user-K Bertl: are you saying that the documentation that came along with my distribution's vserver program may well be outdated? 1381013973 M * user-K Gentoo is usually pretty good about that sort of thing, but I can certainly use caution in this case if you think so. 1381014295 M * user-K I am looking at a manual from it for "vserver-build", which, for example, states that "--netdev 'device' is The default interface to use for '--interface'". I am not sure exactly which entry you were referring to above when you mentioned "nodev"? 1381014413 M * Bertl google for 'great flower page' :) 1381014585 M * user-K As for adding to the documentation, I generally wait until I am confident that the program works as I understand it before even considering making any needed changes. Of course there is a catch-22 when I ask questions for clarification of the documentation while speculating. 1381014888 M * user-K I meant no offense, and I said in fact that I do like this program. Nevertheless, I do think some work on the begining of the process would be helpful and not difficult for anyone familiar with it, which I am not yet but certainly intend to be apparently by trial and error if necessary. 1381014930 M * Bertl did you google for 'great flower page' ? 1381014986 M * user-K It links from your FAQ: http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#What_is_the_.22great_flower_page.22.3F 1381015022 M * user-K http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html 1381015028 M * Bertl so that page is generated from the source and contains all the config options 1381015044 M * Bertl you can grep/search there for 'nodev' for example 1381015150 M * Bertl the build scripts have some slightly different options because they try to make configuration a little more compact, so basically writing an --interface option will configure a bunch of entries at once (like dev/nodev, ip, prefix, ...) 1381015174 M * Bertl but basically all they do is write that configuration for you 1381015207 M * Bertl i.e. you can as well use no --interface option at all and put the proper entries in the /etc/vservers/ config 1381015533 M * user-K Are you saying that the options on that page can be put into a host config file named, for example, "/etc/vserver/" and that doing so would have the effect of utilizing them when the guest starts and runs? 1381015590 M * Bertl actually it will be a file entry in subdirectory below the /etc/vservers// directory (as described on the flower page_ 1381015595 M * Bertl s/_/) 1381015629 M * Bertl you already built a guest, so check out the entries the tools created for you in /etc/vservers/ 1381015847 Q * nou Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1381016040 M * user-K Bertl: the links in that subdirectory are rather puzzling to follow, are they not? 1381016153 M * Bertl what is puzzling you there (which is not documented on the flower page) 1381016177 M * user-K I am looking at them both now. 1381016477 M * user-K Bertl: why would you not have created at least a single service, nothing more than even cron, for example, which would have initiated when the server starts, so that the server does not immediately stop? So far, after looking at this for two days now on and off, I have seen only one way to start the guest and keep it running... 1381016515 M * Bertl it really depends on the guest (i.e. the template, build method, etc) 1381016522 M * user-K the way I mean is that one has to enter it in rescue mode> 1381016534 M * Bertl by default, if you install a debian guest for example, there will be syslog running inside 1381016576 M * Bertl so if your default gentoo guest does not have a service enabled, that is something you have to discuss with the gentoo folks, specifically the gentoo maintainer 1381016588 M * user-K Okay, that sounds better. Unfortunately, nothing was started using the template mode in Gentoo instructions. 1381016594 M * Bertl if you are using a custom template, you have to talk with yourself :) 1381016648 M * Bertl i.e. if that template was built without any services enabled, that's how it is supposed to be, we do not try to be smarter than the admin 1381016650 M * user-K Using the Gentoo wiki initially left me with no service and no running service. Hence, no running guest initally. 1381016677 M * Bertl also depends on the actual guest config, as you can make it persistant as well 1381016703 M * Bertl (in which case the context will stick around forever, even without a process running inside) 1381016757 M * Aiken the gentoo instructions I found suggest using a stage3 which is not going to have much in it 1381016796 M * user-K I have used a stage three also, per the Gentoo wiki instructions. 1381016797 M * Aiken for gentoo guests I use my own template that I periodically update which includes sshd so the guest stays running and I can then connect to it from where I want 1381016798 M * Bertl hey Aiken! how's going down under? 1381016826 M * Bertl user-K: so maybe the gentoo wiki should be 'extended' 1381016843 M * Aiken Bertl, same as usual, dodging the Australian wild life to stay alive :) 1381016864 M * user-K Aiken, yes, but did you not say to me yesterday that you had to enter the guest in rescue mode as well, at least initially? 1381016875 M * Bertl Aiken: you still have hoppy, if I got that write from your explanations? 1381016884 M * Bertl *right 1381016901 M * Aiken hoppy still lives but these days on an i3 instead of the old alpha 1381016933 M * Bertl awww .. :/ 1381016934 M * Aiken user-K, I don't have to use --rescue because I added a service to my template 1381016972 M * Aiken yesterday I deliberately disabled all services in hoppy to verify -rescue worked and used it to get hoppy working again 1381017010 M * user-K Aiken: this is the point I am not yet finding: how to add a service during the initial creation of a guest, concerning Gentoo. 1381017012 M * Aiken my template started life as a stage3 with the /dev from a skeleton vserver 1381017061 M * user-K Aiken, yes, I agreed then too, the rescue mode works well. Thanks for that pointer. 1381017072 M * Aiken what about vserver blah start --rescue bash to give a shell then emerge ? 1381017112 M * user-K Aiken, so you had to modify the default Gentoo stage three to get a service into it then? 1381017145 M * Aiken yes 1381017208 M * user-K Aiken, thank you, again, for clarifying that point now. 1381017232 M * Aiken I'll grab a stage 3 and check but I can definitely say my template is custom 1381017265 M * user-K I can say that the stage three I used had no service by default, for sure. 1381017277 M * user-K unmodified stage three. 1381017370 M * Aiken Bertl, since the time of all that testing I have never been able to use hoppy for anything other than the test guest 1381017381 M * Aiken just does not seem right to use it otherwise now :) 1381017384 M * user-K and, unless one initially used a network interface that was connecting, then emerge would not work either. 1381017513 M * Aiken this is my current script to build hoppy http://aiken.jbmb.net/build-hoppy