1374632210 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
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1374665867 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1374665870 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1374672970 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: ping?
1374673365 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: pong
1374673396 M * Bertl hey, I have a strange problem with building recent util-vserver on an ancient debian system
1374673408 M * Bertl (ancient = etch)
1374673432 M * Bertl configuration works fine, all dependencies have been satisifed from backports (it seems)
1374673460 M * Bertl building with dpkg-buildpackage runs fine as well and even completes
1374673478 M * Bertl but the packages do not contain anything but info stuff :)
1374673520 M * Bertl i.e. no binaries, nothing ...
1374673564 M * Bertl any idea what could cause this and how to work/hack around it?
1374674093 M * daniel_hozac hmm, it requires a fairly recent debhelper or whatever it is called on Debian
1374674115 M * daniel_hozac could be that etch is too old to work with it.
1374674588 M * Bertl it has 0.7 something from backports, sec
1374674610 M * Bertl 7.0.15~bpo40+2
1374674663 M * Bertl I can upload the resulting packages if that helps?
1374675100 M * daniel_hozac i don't recall what version was required.
1374675129 M * daniel_hozac it's been awhile since i messed with it...
1374675396 M * Bertl well, the 'build' dependancies seem to be satisfied with the version, so if it isn't recent enough, that should probably be adjusted
1374675457 M * Bertl are there any debian folks around who would happen to know what would cause (almost) empty packages when using dpkg-buildpackage on util-vserver?
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1374676167 M * kshannon In your build dir is there both a debian/tmp and a debian/util-vserver directory?
1374676202 M * Bertl yep
1374676204 M * kshannon And is the missing files is one and the files that got put into the .deb in the other?
1374676235 M * Bertl yes, looks like
1374676242 M * Bertl the missing stuff is in debian/tmp
1374676362 M * kshannon Yeah,  I don't remember how to tell debhelper to do it the old way.  It's probably easier to patch debian/rules and contrib/make-deb-manifest
1374676415 M * Bertl so just change occurances of debian/tmp to debian/util-vserver?
1374676440 J * BenG_ ~bengreen@host-92-27-135-217.static.as13285.net
1374676447 M * kshannon Yep.
1374676490 M * kshannon It's not the correct answer,  but it works as a hack...
1374676565 M * Bertl when it works, that's fine for me ... testing now .. thanks for the input! appreciated!
1374676765 M * Bertl is there a way to check a package (with dpkg or so) before it is installed?
1374676817 M * Bertl because the pre/post install scripts always fail and I have to hack them to return success as there seems to be no way to force an uninstall :)
1374676833 M * kshannon dpkg -c $DEB
1374676936 M * daniel_hozac why do they fail?
1374676944 M * Bertl hmm, okay, that didn't work :/
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1374676966 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: because the binaries executed are missing from the packages :)
1374676974 M * daniel_hozac ah
1374676978 M * daniel_hozac yes, that will do it.
1374677027 M * Bertl kshannon: I changed one occurance of debian/tmp (the only one) in debian/rules to debian/util-vserver and one in contrib/make-deb-manifest
1374677045 M * Bertl do I have to run something after that except for the dpkg-buildpackage?
1374677388 M * Bertl trying with a symlink now :)
1374677455 M * fback Bertl: what version of debian?
1374677469 M * Bertl debian 4.0
1374677484 M * fback whoa
1374677504 M * Bertl yeah, whoa ...
1374677507 M * fback it's unsupported for quite a time
1374677523 M * fback you have empty .debs because of outdated debian utils
1374677568 M * fback probably easiest solution is to build them on some 6.x or 7.x
1374677600 M * Bertl well, the symlink hack seems to have worked, at least one package (the main one) now contains all files
1374677643 M * Bertl but if you can build me packages I can install on 4.0 on a 6.x or 7.x system, I'm fine with that as well (do not have a 6.x or 7.x at hand)
1374677744 M * fback you need 32-bit version, right?
1374677752 M * Bertl yes, correct
1374678038 M * fback blah, only have 2967 here, and it needs at least 6.x to meet dependencies
1374678096 M * Bertl the dependencies were easy to satisfy from backports here
1374678206 M * Bertl (for pre3038 that is)
1374678216 M * fback they changed package for diff somewhere around 5 or 6
1374678236 M * fback it's trivial to fix when building from sources
1374678249 M * fback just update debian/rules
1374678297 M * fback but you have to know which version you build package for and adjust it accordingly
1374678321 M * fback it won't fail to build, but later when installing
1374678379 M * Bertl well, it will fail anyway if you are building against different/newer libraries, no?
1374678409 M * fback yes
1374678420 M * Bertl so the packages need to be built against the 4.0 + backports in some way
1374678437 M * fback but you don't have to specify specific version of library for dependencies
1374678447 M * fback it's different story
1374678482 M * fback a package may specify it needs some library as a dependency, and it may additionally specify minimal version
1374678486 M * fback or exact
1374678496 M * fback or minimal and maximal
1374678521 M * fback afaik util-vserver doesn't specify versions, just names
1374678540 M * Bertl that's the same with rpms
1374678564 M * fback the problem with diff is, the package for it used to be diff, and now it's diffutils
1374678581 M * Bertl but still, if I build the package for e.g. libc++5 (just an example) then it won't work on libc++6 and vice versa
1374678601 M * fback it won't install
1374678621 M * Bertl it might even install, if the dependancies just say libc++ :)
1374678632 M * Bertl but it definitely won't work :)
1374678674 M * fback libc++5 and libc++6 are different names, so different packages from debian pov
1374678686 M * fback you can install them both
1374678740 M * fback in a .deb, version is always after underscore
1374678801 M * fback and underscore is restricted character for package name afair
1374678878 M * fback you can always force-install package, and in this particular case manually add diff 
1374678887 M * fback but don't do it
1374678902 M * fback it will leave package database in inconsistent state
1374678929 M * Bertl interesting, so you can force install but not uninstall :)
1374678981 M * fback you can force uninstall
1374679005 M * fback with --ignore-depends if it's dependency problem
1374679021 M * Bertl hehe, and if it is a prerm problem?
1374679040 M * daniel_hozac just --force i thought
1374679045 M * fback you can manually "fix" pre / post remove script
1374679049 M * Bertl nope, I tried --force-all
1374679062 M * Bertl yeah, that's the only way, patch the scripts
1374679071 M * fback just add exit 0 i first line
1374679111 M * Bertl I was surprised to see that there is (or at least was in 4.0) no option to ignore those scripts
1374679112 M * fback actually there might be some --ignore switch to ignore prerm fail
1374679575 M * fback or there's no it seems 
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1374694920 M * Bertl back now ...
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