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1371698941 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1371698945 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1371722067 M * Bertl good morning!
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1371725505 M * benl Hi all
1371725523 M * benl I don't suppose you know of an article that compares OpenVZ to Linux-Vserver
1371725543 M * benl I'm sure I remember reading an interview with @Bertl that talks a bit about it, but I'm struggling to find the featureset comparison
1371725560 M * benl Someone asked why I love Vserver, and I can't remember how I even came about the decision!
1371725637 M * Bertl main differences seem to be that OVZ is/was basically the stripped down teaser version of the commercial product, targeted to specific redhat kernels and configs
1371725710 M * Bertl which seems to break if you change anything .. it also is rather bloated compared to Linux-VServer providing similar features with a completely different tool interface
1371725766 M * Bertl at some time, it supported live migration, and a hacked network stack, which were about the only features we never added (for good reasons)
1371725783 M * benl How about LXC?
1371725797 M * Bertl LXC is the future of Linux-VServer :)
1371725807 M * benl Really?
1371725831 M * Bertl i.e. once LXC is stable and secure enough, it will be the best choice on Linux systems
1371725845 M * benl What will happen to Vserver
1371725877 M * benl Is this because vserver never made it into the mainline kernel?
1371725881 M * Bertl it will be reduced to a set of tools (if somebody maintains them) which provide the userspace/config interfaces
1371725890 M * benl :'(
1371725909 M * Bertl yes and no, the problem why Linux-VServer never made it into mainline is more a political issue
1371725910 M * daniel_hozac hopefully the lxc userspace will be up to par as well
1371725942 M * benl Can you go into more details on the politics publically?
1371725964 M * benl It seems sad that such a solid product isn't in the mainline kernel
1371725976 M * benl I've always wondered why you've never made efforts to build a Cloud OS with vserver
1371726039 M * Bertl well, OVZ was pushed from the company behind it (to become _the_ mainline isolation solution) and as there were two equally established solutions (OVZ and Linux-VServer), mainline folks decided not to include any of them but to create their own
1371726086 M * Bertl while this was supposed to happen in a very short timespan, it's now taking more than 3 years since it was started, but mainline is getting there :)
1371726113 M * benl Why re-invent the wheel though>?
1371726127 M * benl Are they doing something with LXC that LVS doesn't do?
1371726199 M * Bertl there are new features in LXC which are not present in Linux-VServer (mainly because they are very maintainance intensive and thus are easier kept in mainline) like for example the isolated network stacks or the freezer cgroup
1371726230 M * Bertl but you can use those features in Linux-VServer as well, so strictly speaking no
1371726279 M * Bertl Linux-VServer does not compete with the LXC features and mechanisms, on the contrary, we utilize them wherever possible
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1371727183 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1371727188 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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