1358986334 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1358986373 M * Bertl Java is like a virus, it consumes your resources faster than you can think
1358986493 M * Ames ugh, no way around java.  I haven't ran across anybody that likes using it.
1358986546 M * Ames I'm just wondering how to either 1. Get rid of these ghosts after the java gets killed   OR 2. figure a way to prevent it from happening.
1358986583 M * Bertl well, there shouldn't be any 'ghosts', what kernel/patch/util-vserver version do you use?
1358986636 M * Ames util-vserver 0.30.216
1358986735 M * Bertl so, you are here from the future, yes?
1358986760 M * Ames kernel 2.6.32
1358986782 M * Bertl and the Linux-VServer patch is?
1358986788 M * Ames :) it's a ubuntu version perhaps 0.30.216~r2842-2ubuntu2
1358986806 M * Bertl ah, okay, that's better :)
1358986918 M * Bertl well, I'd suggest to grab a 3.x kernel, preferably a 3.7.x one, and update util-vserver to the latest (0.30.216-pre3038) and see if your 'ghost' issue still exists
1358986938 M * Bertl if so, we can do some tests to further investigate
1358987008 M * Ames 3.7 kernel means a whole different version of OS, we're not using the bleeding edge in production.
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1358987091 M * Ames no way around this then I suppose.
1358987400 M * Bertl a kernel change doesn't require a distro change
1358987418 M * Bertl you can easily run whatever you are running as host distro with a 3.7.x kernel
1358987560 M * Ames I understand, that may work well for 1 server, maybe even for several VMs in a host, but we've literally hundreds of servers using this, so a solution is not going to be easy, and I'm sure by the time we're on kernel version 3.7 in production, kernel.org will be working on kernel version 4.x
1358987630 M * Ames changing the kernel version has other dependencies I'm sure 
1358992838 M * Bertl you should keep the host system minimal, then changing the kernel doesn't matter at all
1358992862 M * Bertl and for a test, it would more than suffice to change one kernel (on the test system) to see if the issue is still there
1358992890 M * Bertl (you need to do that anyway if you want us to investigate potential issues)
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1359014352 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1359014360 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1359031894 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1359031899 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1359035181 M * Ghislain hello
1359035285 M * Bertl hey
1359035693 M * Ghislain ah bertl i am going crazy with quota support ^^
1359035726 M * Ghislain i wanted to switch to xfs to have a solution but it seems that vserver/xfs is not going to be a bright future ^^
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1359035785 M * Ghislain we should outlaw quota ^^
1359036379 M * Bertl is that so (regarding xfs)?
1359036496 M * Bertl last time I checked, the xfs folks were willing to reserve/coordinate flags and such
1359036591 M * Bertl btw, the reason your quotacheck failed is that the tools try to access the disk media at a low level
1359036618 M * Bertl i.e. to do seek and read/write on the actual block device, which naturally fails if you are using a quota proxy
1359036632 M * Bertl (which only allows for the quota ioctls for security reasons)
1359037111 J * clopez ~clopez@fanzine.igalia.com
1359037454 M * Bertl but yes, in general I agree that quota is nasty, both userspace and kernel wise, and it doesn't help that the developer/maintainer is always happy to add another heuristic to paper over ugly issues in the implementation
1359038051 M * Ghislain yes lol it seems very ugly
1359038065 M * Ghislain so ugly that even ext4 wants to add quota in the fs also
1359038088 M * Ghislain basicaly quota will become a client side only but i fear no FS use the same api
1359038108 M * Bertl the problem is partially with the current implementation
1359038123 M * Ghislain xfs is using internal system for quota so the quota tool will not mess with me
1359038125 M * Bertl it is rather inflexible and well, yeah, ugly
1359038142 M * Ghislain when people start trying to escape it this is bad sign
1359038151 M * Bertl that's correct, but they also have their own quota ioctls
1359038172 M * Ghislain that vroot knows ?
1359038186 M * Ghislain so you see nobody will use a standard api for this :)
1359038201 M * Bertl yes, IIRC we added that back then (when somebody required it)
1359038960 M * Ghislain this is cool, i really wonder why this particular version do a lseek, i have to mount a test one to see if squeeze+3.4 does it
1359039062 M * Bertl quota userspace tools change every week :)
1359039078 M * Bertl pick the right one, and it should work just fine
1359039131 M * Ghislain mostly we use the distribution ones :)
1359039142 M * Bertl pick the right one, and it should work just fine :)
1359039152 M * Ghislain lol
1359039182 M * Ghislain i will finish with a gentoo like system with allmost half package recomplied for my setup :)
1359039218 M * Bertl but boy, it will rock! *G*
1359040048 M * Ghislain oh yeah :p
1359042092 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1359042097 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1359057460 J * jy jy@tahiri.renchap.com
1359057519 M * jy hi
1359057535 M * jy i went to ask to various channels but maybe here would be more appropriate
1359057564 M * jy Does anybody have feedback on writing RBAC rules in a vserver environment ?
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1359065975 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1359065978 M * Bertl back now ...
1359066020 M * Bertl jy: you might want to contact the folks doing the Linux-VServer + grsec/rbac patches
1359066067 M * jy Bertl: they have an IRC channel ?
1359066137 M * Bertl I don't think so, but I'm sure you can get a first contact via the mailing list, and when you ask them nicely to show up here (on the channel) you are welcome to use it for rbac related stuff
1359066175 M * Bertl some of them do hang around here for example harry 
1359066183 M * jy ok thanks :)
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