1355618704 Q * Ghislain Quit: Leaving. 1355619177 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1355621142 J * jrklein ~osx@proxy.dnihost.net 1355622907 M * jrklein Hey Bertl, daniel_hozac and others! Just attempted to enable quota on several Debian Squeeze VPS. Learned of their lovely "improvements" (checking /proc/mounts instead of /etc/mtab) while troubleshooting. Removed quota quotatool packages and installed portmap package via apt-get, then manually located and installed quota_3.16-7_amd64.deb quotatool_1.4.12-1_amd64.deb packages from Debian Lenny. Seems to be providing user and group quota accounting. Is 1355622907 M * jrklein this my best option for the time being or did I miss some better solution? Thanks in advance... 1355623282 M * Bertl well, can't do anything about overly smart userspace tools, can I 1355625377 M * MooingLemur if userspace and the kernel got into a fight, I'd put my money on the kernel every single time! 1355626334 M * jrklein Bertl No, you certainly can't do much about user space tools. LOL 1355626367 M * jrklein I ran across a comment about this issue on the very bottom of this page: http://linux-vserver.org/Standard_non-shared_quota 1355626402 M * jrklein That comment didn't say anything about downgrading to older userspace tools. Thought maybe I was missing some way of using the "improved" tools? 1355626544 M * Bertl yeah, well, you should do some debugging or at least tracing (with strace) to see what the userspace tools actually do 1355626555 M * Bertl and where it goes wrong :) 1355626627 M * jrklein fair enough 1355638104 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1355638110 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1355639139 Q * Romster Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1355639505 J * Romster ~romster@202.168.100.149.dynamic.rev.eftel.com 1355647133 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:21f:d0ff:fed6:d63f 1355650986 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:1d96:9a3c:6b28:ea4c 1355652404 J * Ghislain ~aqueos@adsl1.aqueos.com 1355652862 J * isAAAc ~isaaac@2a01:6600:8081:3701:1055:81ff:fe86:467f 1355655608 Q * fisted Remote host closed the connection 1355655673 J * fisted ~fisted@xdsl-87-78-235-192.netcologne.de 1355657970 Q * ircuser-1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1355659976 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1355661472 J * ircuser-1 ~ircuser-1@35.222-62-69.ftth.swbr.surewest.net 1355662325 Q * ensc|w Remote host closed the connection 1355662334 J * ensc|w ~ensc@www.sigma-chemnitz.de 1355663357 Q * ensc Read error: Operation timed out 1355665381 Q * isAAAc Quit: Konversation terminated! 1355667100 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1355667103 M * Bertl morning folks! 1355668546 J * isAAAc ~isaaac@2a01:6600:8081:3701:1055:81ff:fe86:467f 1355670235 M * arekm Bertl: hi, offtopic question with kernel oopses. Any idea what isra there means? [] ? zt_ctl_ioctl.isra.31+0xee0/0xee0 [zaptel] 1355671293 M * Bertl that's a gcc 'feature' 1355671549 M * Bertl i.e. alternative implementations of the same function, with different settings/optimizations/subarchs/etc 1355671623 M * arekm so how to figure out what is it? 1355671738 M * Bertl in this case it is an IPA-SRA modification 1355671839 M * arekm heh, googling 1355671911 M * Bertl but it shouldn't be too relevant for debugging 1355672159 M * arekm http://pastebin.com/bAKhxr0L ehm, so which line is that actually? 1355672194 M * Bertl for that, you have addr2line -e vmlinux :) 1355672218 M * Bertl all you can say from the 0xee0/0xee0 is that it is at the very end 1355672224 M * arekm that's in module 1355672237 M * Bertl then addr2line -e module 1355672262 M * Bertl /path/to/module.o to be precise 1355672346 M * arekm hm, unlock 1355674654 Q * FloodServ reticulum.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1355674654 Q * daniel_hozac reticulum.oftc.net charon.oftc.net 1355674654 Q * fosco 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~isaaac@pat35-4-88-164-240-246.fbx.proxad.net 1355687369 Q * isAAAc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1355687999 N * isAAAc_ isAAAc 1355688168 M * Guy- oh wow 1355688182 M * Guy- xfs_repair destroys the iunlink flags 1355688209 M * Guy- so putting /vservers on xfs is still a no-no even though the kernel part is likely fine now 1355688624 M * Bertl_oO well, you probably have to fix xfs_repair for that to work 1355688659 M * Bertl_oO btw, for what do you use/need xfs_repair? 1355688669 M * Guy- it's xfs's fsck 1355688691 M * Guy- I run it to find/fix fs inconsistencies 1355689024 M * Bertl_oO but you can use the migration utility from daniel (for debian) which saves the flags in an ascii file 1355689035 M * Bertl_oO and then recover them after the filesystem check 1355689063 M * Bertl_oO not sure what a logging filesystem needs a check for though 1355689137 M * Guy- it can still get corrupted e.g. due to memory errors, kernel bugs etc. 1355689221 M * Guy- ext3 and ext4 also have e2fsck, jfs has jfs_check and so on 1355689250 M * Bertl_oO yeah, but on ext3/4 you run e2fsck (in check mode) every year once or so 1355689263 M * Bertl_oO i.e. in those cases, you can easily save/restore the attributes 1355689325 M * Guy- I suppose 1355689344 M * Guy- where is this utility of daniel's? 1355689377 M * Guy- I'm meanwhile talking to the xfs folks 1355689388 M * Guy- and on hearing me mention vserver, they said: 1355689390 M * Guy- 21:21 < dchinner__> but we've asked that they send changes that they need for Xfs functionality to us separately 1355689394 M * Guy- 21:22 < dchinner__> i.e. single upstream, so we don't tread on each other's on disk format changes 1355689397 M * Guy- 21:22 < dchinner__> they haven't done that, so I suspect that they are in for a world of pain relatively soon.... 1355689409 M * Guy- (just a heads up) 1355689475 M * Bertl_oO well, the 'changes' we do are not hidden or special, they haven't changed for several years 1355689499 M * Bertl_oO feel free to submit them to wherever they should be submitted 1355689533 M * Guy- i.e. extract the part of the diff that affects xfs*? 1355689547 M * Bertl_oO from my PoV, I've never used xfs and I'm not planning on doing so in the future, so if xfs turns out to be too broken/problematic in the future, I just omit that part from the Linux-VServer patch 1355689560 M * Bertl_oO I can extract them for you if you want 1355689567 M * Bertl_oO that's rather trivial 1355689598 M * Guy- I can extract bits of the diff too, I just don't know which ones are relevant 1355689644 M * Bertl_oO filterdiff -i '*xfs*' patch-3.7-vs2.3.5.2.diff 1355689694 M * Guy- OK 1355690027 J * Aiken ~Aiken@2001:44b8:2168:1000:21f:d0ff:fed6:d63f 1355691414 P * isAAAc Konversation terminated! 1355692559 Q * hijacker_ Quit: Leaving 1355694729 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1355696596 M * Guy- Bertl: the xfs folks asked me to send this patch to their mailing list 1355696624 M * Guy- but basically they're like "why aren't you using xattrs for this, if they're inline (stored in the inode), they are just as fast and filesystem agnostic" 1355696727 M * Bertl_oO we are using xattrs, what they probably mean is EA (extended attributes) 1355696760 M * Bertl_oO but you can ask, why for example 'IMMUTABLE' doesn't use 'xattrs' 1355696841 M * Guy- I suppose it's legacy 1355696850 M * Bertl_oO so is Linux-VServer 1355696861 M * Guy- (we've been down the 'xattrs' vs 'EA' alley before, btw :) 1355696897 M * Bertl_oO yeah, it's a reappearing argument 1355696946 M * Bertl_oO if somebody volunteers to make a proof of concept patch to implement this, we can talk about it, IMHO it's a lot of work with a lot of testing required 1355697199 M * Guy- I can see that 1355698257 M * Guy- fwiw, the kernel sources seem to call what you call xattrs "file attributes" and uses "xattr" to refer to what you call EA 1355698299 M * Guy- it's not terribly important, just a potential source of confusion 1355698339 M * Bertl_oO yeah, we already discussed that, the naming changed over time 1355698351 M * Bertl_oO probably because everybody confused those over and over again 1355698355 M * Guy- oh and btw, I remembered another reason why I prefer my guest IPs to be on dummy0: if they're on e.g. eth0, and eth0 goes down, the guests lose their IPs (at least as long as eth0 stays down) 1355698463 M * Guy- Bertl: meanwhile, I sent the xfs related parts of the vserver patch to the xfs mailing list - would you like a copy of that mail? 1355698503 M * Bertl_oO you can cc me or just keep me updated if something happens and/or some info is required 1355698808 Q * fisted Remote host closed the connection 1355698869 J * fisted ~fisted@xdsl-84-44-222-52.netcologne.de 1355699161 Q * Ghislain Quit: Leaving.