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1336367181 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1336367185 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1336386651 J * uranus ~uranus@port-83-236-216-119.static.qsc.de
1336386654 M * uranus hi al
1336386655 M * uranus all
1336386674 M * uranus does anybody have successfully installed fedora 16 as guest? 
1336386697 M * daniel_hozac not that i am aware of.
1336386719 M * uranus the problem is systemd?
1336387012 M * uranus whats the difference between openvz and lv? Because in openvz fedora17 seems to run correctly
1336387139 M * daniel_hozac they probably had someone look at it.
1336387430 M * uranus well but it seems that the complete design of systemd will not work inside linux vserver?
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1336388928 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1336388934 M * Bertl morning folks!
1336388937 J * fisted ~fisted@xdsl-87-78-189-71.netcologne.de
1336389072 M * Bertl uranus: well, you could try the openvz template for feadora16/17 ... it might just work on Linux-VServer if they modified systemd and whatnot
1336389114 M * Bertl I doubt they changed something kernel wise to handle systemd, but maybe they have
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1336389780 M * uranus i does not look like they changed anything in the kernel
1336389814 M * uranus but i didn't get the openvz template to boot
1336389831 M * uranus it stops soon because it cannot mount /sys
1336389963 M * Bertl just remove the mount from the guest and add it to the guest configs fstab
1336389980 M * Bertl (not that you actually want sys inside a guest, but for a test that should do)
1336390107 M * Bertl alternatively you can give the *MOUNT capabilities to the guest
1336390224 M * uranus i gave SECURE_MOUNT and BINARY_MOUNT
1336390236 M * uranus but that did not solve anything
1336390250 M * Bertl still complains about sys?
1336390294 M * uranus maybe mounting /sys failes
1336390353 M * Bertl try to mount it in the guest config's fstab
1336390368 M * uranus just a moment
1336390372 M * Bertl maybe the script detects that it is already mounted and is happy
1336390433 M * uranus now it's dev, but i'll test a bind mount for dev because i do not wand a full /dev inside the guest
1336390849 M * Bertl IIRC, it should be devtmpfs, so a tmpfs mount there might work
1336390868 M * Bertl (or a bind mount as you suggested)
1336390902 M * Bertl have to leave for a short wile but should be back in 45
1336390907 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1336393160 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1336393165 M * Bertl back now ...
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1336394338 M * uranus Bertl systemd is a nice thing, but to get it to work inside vserver there will be a lot of work
1336394429 M * Bertl well, I do not consider systemd a good choice for a guest system
1336394461 M * Bertl mainly because systemd was designed to handle everything including all the hardware aspects, which are simply not there in a guest
1336394469 M * uranus sure
1336394480 M * uranus but more and more distributions go to systemd
1336394493 M * uranus in debian there  are also the first discussions
1336394499 M * Bertl AFAIK, most of them support sysv scripts as well
1336394515 M * Bertl (and those are a far better choice for guests for many reasons)
1336394595 M * uranus what do you recommend as guest distibution?
1336394600 M * Bertl maybe at some point the systemd developer(s) decide to support isolation technology as well with a special option or branch (e.g. for LXC) at which point it should be fairly simple to adapt
1336394623 M * uranus that's true, hopefully they will :)
1336394624 M * daniel_hozac IIRC there were talks of systemd-container
1336394652 M * uranus daniel_hozac, systemd containers is one more thing beside LXC
1336394681 M * Bertl systemd-nspawn IIRC
1336394711 M * uranus yes http://0pointer.de/public/systemd-man/systemd-nspawn.html
1336394736 M * uranus but not as good as linux vserver :)
1336394885 M * Bertl regarding the question (what guest distro): I think any distro still works, some need little to none efford, others a little more to get them going
1336394929 M * Bertl all distros supporting sysv init style (out of the box or as option) should work quite fine, same goes for the gentoo init system
1336394934 M * ghislain is that what you refer too : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ContainerInterface ?
1336394990 M * uranus ghislain, thanks that sounds nice, will try to get it working :)
1336395016 M * ghislain seems that you need quite a lot of information from the host like /sys /dev etc
1336395032 M * Bertl yep, indeed looks like a way to go for systemd
1336395152 M * Bertl that actually looks better than I expected
1336395183 M * Bertl i.e. it should suffice to do ro bind mounts of /sys etc and pass the environment variable
1336395192 M * Bertl all which can be done out of the box with Linux-VServer 
1336395293 M * ghislain the /sys seams to leak quite some info ^^
1336395333 M * Bertl yeah, well, let's see if it works first, probably a fake sys will do as well
1336395345 M * uranus Bertl, will go for tests and report back
1336395354 M * Bertl or we could easily extend the proc hiding to sys
1336395371 M * Bertl uranus: yes, please do! very much appreciated!
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1336396491 M * ncopa hi
1336396504 M * ncopa i dont remember if i told you, but alpine linux v2.4 is out
1336396517 M * ncopa do you mind if I announce it on vserver mailing list?
1336396543 M * Bertl no problem, just make sure to mention _why_ it is Linux-VServer related :)
1336396550 M * ncopa k
1336396551 M * ncopa thanks
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1336400273 M * uranus daniel_hozac, i try to mount /dev as tmpfs and copy in pre-start script the original dev files to the new /dev tmpfs, but I always got unable to open /dev/null permission denied - do i miss something?
1336400318 M * Bertl how do you 'copy' them?
1336400331 M * uranus cp -a 
1336400342 M * uranus cp -a devorig/* dev/
1336400382 M * Bertl ah, you probably want the initialize script instead
1336400394 M * Bertl pre-start is already running inside the restricted context
1336400449 M * uranus i'll test
1336400680 M * uranus Bertl, in initialize the mount isn't done already
1336400706 M * Bertl correct, just do it manually and populate it there
1336400722 M * uranus just execute a shell in pre-start`
1336400723 M * uranus ?
1336400735 M * Bertl nah, won't work
1336400751 M * Bertl i.e. remove the /dev mount from fstab (in the config)
1336400756 J * derjohn_mobi ~aj@87.253.171.193
1336400761 M * Bertl and do a manual mount in initialize
1336400772 M * uranus ah ok
1336400773 M * uranus will test
1336400773 M * Bertl followed by mknod or cp -a of the devices you want
1336401788 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1336401960 M * uranus that work
1336401970 M * uranus systemd was started, but nothing more happend
1336401988 M * uranus the question is now: i used fedora 16 which might be to old for the container= environ var
1336402220 M * Bertl well, that's definitely a step forward
1336402234 M * Bertl so what was required to get systemd starting?
1336402338 M * uranus mount /sys from fstab
1336402356 M * uranus mount /dev as tmpfs from initialize and afterwards fill /dev
1336402371 M * uranus but currently i cannot communicate with the init process
1336402434 M * uranus systemctl complaint about: Assertion 'bus' failed at src/systemctl.c:1567, function start_unit(). Aborting.
1336402632 M * Bertl try with strace -fF
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1336417975 M * Bertl back now ...
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