1325030489 J * yoh ~yoh@washoe.Dartmouth.EDU 1325030709 M * yoh running Debian with vserver 0.30.216-pre2864-2+b1, kernel 2.6.32-5-vserver-amd64: ran "vapt-get --all update" and now all vserver guests which had problem updating are reported not running (by vserver enter) although visible (although without associated NAMEs) using vserver-stat 1325030767 M * yoh how could that happen? ;) and how could I assign NAMEs to already running vserver-guests? 1325031002 M * Bertl debian packages are broken in many ways 1325031060 M * Bertl it's best to install recent util-vserver from the source, and it isn't a bad idea to update the kernel as well 1325031100 M * yoh Bertl: ;) they are what I "breath" 1325031110 M * yoh but I mean in general does situation sound anyhow familiar? 1325031120 M * Bertl the 'missing' names are probably a subtle bug where references in /var/run* got removed 1325031136 M * yoh ah ... let me see 1325031201 M * yoh COOL -- indeed, populating files helped -- can get into 1325031209 M * yoh will target the update... 1325031285 M * yoh ah... they are indeed WELL behind :-/ 1325031460 M * yoh sad that vserver support/packaging seemed to be dropped by debian... I guess in favor of kvm 1325031504 M * Bertl well, I hope in favor of LXC, as kvm is something completely different 1325031522 M * yoh my ignorance shines ;) 1325031539 M * Bertl but personally I consider that a move in the right direction, despite the fact that LXC isn't there yet 1325031588 M * Bertl in any case, it's also better for the Linux-VServer users, as they will have working and recent packages/kernels in the future :) 1325031743 M * yoh (either I misunderstood you) did you mean that updated packages for VServer are coming (to Debian)? 1325031774 M * Bertl no, but it's trivial to build a debian package from the sources (tar) 1325031799 M * Bertl and thus, those folks using Linux-VServer on debian will have recent and working packages :) 1325031809 M * yoh rright... but it would not carry patchset from Debian kernel maintainers right? 1325031842 M * Bertl which is a good thing for util-vserver and probably an even better thing for the kernel 1325031880 M * yoh Well, different people -- different opinions ;) 1325031887 M * Bertl there is nothing which gets fixed in debian but not in upstream 1325031906 M * Bertl but there are many things already fixed upstream which aren't fixed in debian ... 1325031923 M * Bertl so, YMMV, but that is a fact 1325032037 M * Bertl please don't get me wrong, I have nothing against debian, just the old Linux-VServer debian maintainer doesn't want to do his job, and just keeps newer maintainer from doing theirs 1325032075 M * yoh as far as I see it there is no new maintainer -- vserver is simply not present beyound squeeze (current stable) 1325032086 M * Bertl and all debian maintainers are bound by quite strange debian rules which prevent most fixes from getting into debian 1325032094 M * yoh so my guess would be if anyone was eager to jump on -- he could take over the maintenance 1325032118 M * yoh disclaimer: I am a DD myself... although a bit far from the kernel land 1325032156 M * yoh so I probably do not know those specific rules ;) 1325032158 M * Bertl well, I do not really care, and as far as I know, daniel (the util-vserver author) doesn't care much either 1325032184 M * Bertl Linux-VServer is distro agnostic, host and guest wise 1325032254 M * Bertl so wheather you use debian or not, you can easily build packages for kernel and tools yourself, or use one of the prebuilt packages (e.g. from beng) 1325032256 M * yoh that is ok (that you don't care how things are in Debian land) -- it is just sad that there is noone eager to maintain vserver in Debian, it served me well 1325032305 M * Bertl feel free to step up and/or talk micah into doing so, but I don't think debian _wants_ to provide Linux-VServer 1325032316 M * yoh well, since my primary job is not sysadministration, I prefer in general 'apt-get upgrade' to 'monitor few websites for critical updates to my system'... if there was an apt repository from a trusted source (e.g. you) I would consider using it 1325032345 M * Bertl guess that is what beng is doing 1325032522 M * yoh I only very vaguely recall some discussion at some point (couldn't find it in brief mairix search) about future of vserver in debian... but in general there is no such persona as "debian" so "debian wants" does not sound adequate ;) 1325032536 M * yoh but thanks for the pointers... RTFM helps at times -- I see now the repositories 1325032609 M * yoh and indeed there is an original announcement of deprecation: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574529 1325032803 M * yoh btw -- in wiki http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Were_can_I_get_newer_versions_of_VServer_as_ready_made_packages_for_Debian.3F zbla.net seems to be N/A 1325032825 M * yoh http://backports.org/ became backports.debian.org 1325032856 M * Bertl feel free to note/correct it on the wiki, that's what it's for 1325032995 M * yoh done 1325034033 Q * dowdle 1325036544 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325041600 J * aj__ ~aj@p4FFD0E59.dip.t-dialin.net 1325041878 M * yoh Bertl: apparently I haven't said "thanks" for the help with resolving my issue of lost names -- thanks! ;) 1325041888 P * yoh have a good night and good luck! 1325041968 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325047040 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1325047046 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1325049620 J * clopez ~clopez@238.10.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com 1325049953 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:beae:c5ff:fe01:b647 1325053312 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B67F9B.dip.t-dialin.net 1325055074 Q * clopez Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325056803 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325058377 J * ghislain ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com 1325058917 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B66FC7.dip.t-dialin.net 1325059753 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325060678 Q * ensc Remote host closed the connection 1325060990 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p54ADF94A.dip.t-dialin.net 1325062067 J * sannes ~ace@cm-84.209.106.118.getinternet.no 1325062557 Q * ensc|w Remote host closed the connection 1325062566 J * ensc|w ~ensc@www.sigma-chemnitz.de 1325068489 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B66FC7.dip.t-dialin.net 1325070702 J * glen ~glen@scratchy.delfi.ee 1325070725 M * glen 2.6.38.8-1, i have some weird problem that setuid does not work 1325070737 M * glen i.e vserver run ok, and now it can't setuid. 1325070758 M * glen getuid() = 0 1325070764 M * glen [pid 31753] setuid(51 1325070768 M * glen [pid 31753] <... setuid resumed> ) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) 1325070792 M * glen 13:13:04 root[load: 0.04]@pygmy /etc/httpd# sudo -H -u http id 1325070792 M * glen sudo: unable to change to runas uid: Operation not permitted 1325071017 M * glen util-vserver-0.30.216-1.pre2981.1.amd64 1325071439 M * fback glen: fs is mounted nosuid? 1325072048 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325072226 M * glen fback: well, no, it just happened with no changes to system. and then it "recovereed" as mystically as it appeared 1325072226 Q * fback Remote host closed the connection 1325072228 J * fback fback@red.fback.net 1325072327 M * glen i noticed sudo failing too, so i ran sudo outside guest, i.e invoking via vnamespace, then that worked, i deciced to vserver enter and start apache, that worked, and after that apache "inside" guest started to work too 1325072802 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc10-aztw24-2-0-cust114.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com 1325073776 Q * Aiken Remote host closed the connection 1325075695 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1325075712 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc10-aztw24-2-0-cust114.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com 1325077821 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1325077826 M * Bertl morning folks! 1325080600 Q * trippeh Quit: fixing! 1325080790 J * trippeh atomt@kaputix.ugh.no 1325081456 Q * ignaz Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325081856 N * jyryt tolkor 1325081895 M * tolkor good morning bertl 1325082022 M * tolkor tnx for vserver. i really like the concept of jails, use freebsd jails on all the fbsd boxen, but sometimes linux is the best tool for the job. vserver allows us to continue the jail paradigm. 1325082043 M * Bertl glad to hear! 1325082072 Q * trippeh Quit: FFFFUUUUUUUUUU 1325082095 J * trippeh atomt@kaputix.ugh.no 1325085021 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325085891 J * clopez ~clopez@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com 1325086414 Q * Hunger Quit: _._ 1325089449 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-169.client.mchsi.com 1325090780 J * Hunger ~Hunger@proactivesec.com 1325091053 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1325092179 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:dd69:811b:5fde:d83f 1325094355 M * ghislain hello there, daniel could you add in the README of the util-vserver a line for debian explaining how to build the packages from it, would be handy for newcommers :) 1325094463 Q * Hunger Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325094649 M * ghislain i am searching how to build them , each time i forget lol, should put it in the wiki once i find this again 1325094670 M * ghislain by the way i didi not look if it is there allready .. brb ! 1325095204 M * ghislain added to the wiki in a bad bad formated way will try to edit this later 1325097519 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B66FC7.dip.t-dialin.net 1325099847 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325100870 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B66FC7.dip.t-dialin.net 1325102430 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1325104238 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1325104998 J * Hunger ~Hunger@proactivesec.com 1325106538 Q * clopez Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325109120 J * petzsch ~markus@p57B66FC7.dip.t-dialin.net 1325109390 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@c-8e3171d5.08-230-73746f22.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se 1325110716 Q * geos_one Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1325111026 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1325111491 Q * sannes Remote host closed the connection 1325111556 J * geos_one ~chatzilla@chello080109195117.4.graz.surfer.at 1325114629 Q * petzsch Read error: Connection reset by peer 1325115261 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl 1325115266 N * Bertl Bertl_oO