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1323476124 M * confusedatm Thanks heaps, Bertl. I edited resolv.conf and rebooted it. Now it works :)
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1323483707 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1323483711 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1323510047 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1323510053 M * Bertl morning folks!
1323510967 J * bonbons ~bonbons@ppp-153-80.adsl.restena.lu
1323513802 M * Mr_Smoke morning Bertl :)
1323513815 M * Mr_Smoke I had an interesting discussiop yesterday with a couple of other VServer users
1323513846 M * Mr_Smoke Sadly, they both said they were moving to LXC because it was "so much easier"
1323513883 M * Mr_Smoke One even mentioned that LXC had a real network interface and that it was a great feature
1323513897 M * Mr_Smoke so now, what should I tell them next time, that VServer has and LXC hasn't ? :D
1323514047 M * Bertl well, it's good if they are moving to LXC, no?
1323514068 M * Mr_Smoke I dunno, is it?
1323514079 M * Bertl I mean, that's where we are heading towards, i.e. Linux-VServer is basically all that LXC provides plus the things it doesn't provide yet
1323514112 M * Mr_Smoke What doesn't it provide yet then ?
1323514116 M * Bertl you can basically do everything LXC does with Linux-VServer as well
1323514134 M * Mr_Smoke including routing/netfilter ?
1323514139 M * Bertl things like various limits, lightweight isolation, etc
1323514160 M * Bertl sure, there is no reason not to use the network namespaces provided by mainline
1323514173 M * Mr_Smoke ah yeah, i keep meaning to investigate and try these
1323514187 M * Mr_Smoke must be that it isn't high enough on my todo list :)
1323514221 M * Bertl last time I checked LXC, the main problem was that they didn't provide the proper isolation to make it 'safe' for potentially hostile environments, and easy enough for 'normal' administration
1323514245 M * Mr_Smoke you mean process/resources isolation?
1323514265 M * Bertl yep, just try with a simple fork bomb inside an LXC container
1323514293 M * Mr_Smoke ah, host suffers as well then?
1323514299 M * Bertl (would be interesting to know how how that goes, btw :)
1323514304 M * Mr_Smoke heheh
1323514334 M * Bertl we also do network isolation (which is the default and supported mode)
1323514355 M * Bertl which usually keeps administration and overhead small
1323514370 M * Mr_Smoke what is it that they do then ? with their virtual network interface 
1323514374 M * Bertl (compared to network namespaces which basically double the overhead)
1323514381 M * Mr_Smoke ah
1323514386 M * Mr_Smoke that's the difference
1323514389 M * Mr_Smoke ok
1323514389 M * Bertl a second, virtualized network stack
1323514417 M * Bertl but as I said, you can do the same with Linux-VServer, it's just not supported by util-vserver (yet)
1323514425 M * Mr_Smoke ok
1323514433 M * Mr_Smoke but the overhead difference doesn't really show, does it ?
1323514448 M * Mr_Smoke I mean, how much of a load does it take for one to notice the performance impact?
1323514458 M * Bertl depends on your setup and the actual traffic
1323514495 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure you can easily make a setup where you get only half the load before the system stops working
1323514532 M * Mr_Smoke ouch
1323514682 M * Bertl but it really depends, the typical 10 connections per second will not show any measureable overhead I guess
1323514702 M * Mr_Smoke I see
1323514708 M * Mr_Smoke Thanks for the information :)
1323514742 M * Bertl np
1323514750 M * Bertl off for now ... probably back later ...
1323514754 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1323514780 M * Mr_Smoke Ok see ya
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1323526137 J * PowerKe ~tom@94-226-105-186.access.telenet.be
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1323546343 M * m_ueberall An interesting question: Using "none /tmp tmpfs size=5120m,mode=1777 0 0" in /etc/vservers/vserver20/fstab and occupying more than 80% of the space within the vserver, how come "the outside htop" displays "1408/8004MB in use" (there is no swap partition)?
1323548486 M * m_ueberall nevermind... 1408 is actually MemFree, _not_ the allocated amount.
1323548503 M * m_ueberall (when in doubt, always consult /proc/meminfo)
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