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1313199183 M * jamieson wonder why the vserver build script with --hostname and --include=$PACKAGES sets the hostname in /etc/ssh/ssh*key to the hostname of the host, not the hostname specified in the vserver build cmd. wonder if i'm doing it wrong or just need to rpl that?
1313200397 M * Bertl sounds wrong
1313201011 M * jamieson yeah that's what i thought. /etc/hostname is wrong too (but that's a debianism). the actual hostname of the system is configured properly.
1313201104 M * jamieson i'm just fixing it after the fact. seems odd thought
1313201109 M * jamieson *though
1313201594 M * Bertl what util-vserver version is that?
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1313202274 M * jamieson Bertl: 0.30.216-pre2864-2+b1 (debian squeeze package)
1313202292 M * Bertl ah, well, you might want to try a more recent one (non debian)
1313202329 M * jamieson right! ;-) just worried that I'll miss a security patch or something... trying to minimize my out-of-band builds... :-)
1313202361 M * jamieson debian kernel doesn't have mem controller enabled, so I'm using the non-cgroups way of managing memory.
1313202370 M * jamieson btw VIRT_MEM is brilliant...
1313202396 M * jamieson I'm not going to oversell these at all the way dreamhost does (dreamhost uses vserver, did you know that?) ... 1:1 ratio
1313202414 M * jamieson much more worried about disk access than ram or cpu contention, though...
1313202441 M * Bertl we have a wiki page listing hosters
1313202491 M * jamieson awesome, yeah, i saw that! i'm not live yet. i've been using vserver on a really small scale (<20 vservers) for about ten years, but not really dug into what it would take to get production-ready until a few months ago
1313202517 M * jamieson these will be special ;-)
1313205081 M * jamieson is there an official method for deleting vservers? vserver delete sometimes gets hung up (seems like it might not umount /proc and /sys sometimes)
1313205101 M * jamieson then they get stuck :-) and need a reboot. oh, think there's a faq on that actually
1313205210 M * jamieson ah looks like there's some moer things int here I can try :-)
1313205368 M * Bertl reboot?
1313205492 M * jamieson no, use vkill to make sure it's all killed off, make sure the ip addr is deleted from eth0, and make sure /vservers/$name/{sys,proc} are deleted
1313205528 M * jamieson are the following two answers to the same question? http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#If_I_shut_down_my_vserver_guest.2C_the_whole_Internet_interface_ethX_on_the_host_is_shut_down.__What_happened.3F  http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Is_it_possible_to_prevent_guest_from_bringing_down_primary_ip.3F  -- but I'm not super sure.
1313205547 M * Bertl I meant, you never need to reboot the host
1313205603 M * jamieson Bertl: of course, as long as you have the knowledge to clear it out completely ;-) ... i get funny /dev errors when building vservers with same name/ip as previous unless I take extra precautions beyond just vserver delete
1313205655 M * jamieson just trying to make a completely bullet-proof list... i'm building vservers and deleting them continuously during this build process, testing dozens of different daemons as a cluster. it's fun :-)
1313205668 M * Bertl you are using an old kernel and old tools, if the issue persists with recent kernel/tools, please report on the ML
1313205686 M * jamieson ok sorry!
1313205716 M * jamieson are you recommending 36.38?
1313205769 M * jamieson i'm actually using  0.30.216-pre2864-2+b1 ... which doesn't seem all that much different from 0.30.216-pre2914 ;-) ..
1313205808 M * Bertl I recommend the versions listed on http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org
1313205811 M * jamieson how can i tell what version vserver is built into my distro kernel? looks like they tag the kernel name, fortunately... wonder if it's in /proc
1313205813 M * jamieson ok
1313205826 M * jamieson (see banner for this channel too i guess)
1313205868 M * Bertl preferably 2.6.32.x, 2.6.38.x and 3.x with latest util-vserver 0.30.216-pre2982
1313205886 M * jamieson to be completely honest, I really don't know what all those mean... or if experimental is really all that experimental or if it's pretty stable
1313205889 M * jamieson ah ok cool
1313205923 M * jamieson i'm using 2.6.32..
1313205952 M * Bertl there is 2.6.32.43-vs2.3.0.36.29.7
1313205974 A * jamieson is rummaging through debian kernel docs...
1313206062 M * jamieson it appears that i'm running a debian update as off June 11 2011, but it's not clear at all what vserver patch is in the kernel..
1313206074 M * Bertl as usual
1313206088 M * jamieson yeah :-(
1313206120 M * jamieson is there any way to query something in /proc or /sys?
1313206137 M * Bertl as debian removes the version, no
1313206164 A * jamieson frowns
1313206214 M * jamieson I actually have scripts written to completely recompile and repackage the kernel, but it'll be a huge job to keep up with it... trying to minimize my custom packages at the moment. i'm the only dev/admin right now
1313206244 M * jamieson 0dd exploits freeq me out ;-)
1313206251 M * Bertl the kernel already contains scripts to build all kinds of packages
1313206305 M * jamieson right, i mean debianized scripts. i'm actually building these boxes from bare-wire, completely automated...
1313206310 M * jamieson i mean physical boxes...
1313206330 M * jamieson then rolling out vservers on top. maybe it'll work out ;-)
1313206339 M * Bertl well, no idea what you need to be debianized to build a .deb from the kernel source tree
1313206389 M * jamieson oh that's pretty easy. just a matter of keeping up with the updates, downloading the patches, synchronizing everything, and then repackaging and redistributing it to all the servers. probably only take ten or fifteen minutes each time.
1313206426 M * jamieson i'm not just making excuses, i do fully intend to move to the latest stuff asap ;-)
1313206445 M * jamieson as long as you feel that it's not too bleeding edge for production?
1313206457 M * jamieson i know you guys are pretty conservative about everything.
1313206480 M * jamieson (which makes me feel better about it!)
1313206481 M * Bertl are we?
1313206504 M * jamieson i mean about not throwing new, crazy stuff into the kernel patches that might break everything else.
1313206513 M * jamieson not talking politics necessarily :)
1313206538 M * Bertl ah, well, we like the patches to work, mainly because we use them :)
1313206549 A * jamieson grins
1313206563 M * jamieson awesome. i'll be back in a bit. nice talking to you!
1313206567 N * jamieson jamieson_Oo
1313207049 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1313207056 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1313229956 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1313229961 M * Bertl morning folks!
1313231157 J * Andreas[Away] ~Andreas@dslb-088-076-110-165.pools.arcor-ip.net
1313231164 M * Andreas[Away] .
1313231207 N * Andreas[Away] Nazarus
1313232069 M * Bertl .?
1313232310 M * Nazarus Hallo @ll, sorry i have a bad english :/
1313232356 M * Bertl and obviously a client which uses colors :)
1313232409 M * Nazarus it is a very old irc client
1313232435 M * Bertl any will do I guess, just avoid the color stuff if possible
1313232536 M * Nazarus Now to my problem, I have 6 with the Debian kernel 2.6.32-5-vserver-686 is all really good. only the buffer to be displayed incorrectly
1313232634 M * Nazarus pastebin is allowed to post here? Bertl
1313232655 M * Bertl yeah, pastebin is allowed an preferred for everything longer than 3 lines
1313232727 M * Nazarus http://pastebin.com/yTWA8gkK <<-- my guests all show similar values ??in free-k / to free-m
1313232758 M * Nazarus i´m sorry, im translate with goog**
1313232768 M * Bertl no problem
1313232811 M * Bertl and yes, that is expected with the debian kernel
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1313232914 M * Nazarus So it is a self-build? or I have another possibility?
1313232946 M * Bertl well, it shouldn't be a problem for the guest, but if you want to fix that, you need to build your own
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1313233138 M * Nazarus Okay then I'll probably have to do it, can i use the debian's source and if so what should I set?
1313233168 M * Bertl I would avoid that, as the debian source is usually outdated and broken
1313233224 M * Bertl grab the latest 2.6.38.x kernel and Linux-VServer patch as well as the latest util-vserver pre (there shouldn't be a problem to build .deb packages for both)
1313233572 M * Nazarus .ok Thank You Bertl
1313233725 M * Bertl you're welcome!
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1313234333 M * Nazarus Bertl i found on the linux-vserver.org homepage a link to repo-psand.net with a kernel linux-image-2.6.38.8-vs2.3.0.37-rc17-beng, works this better than the original kernel from debian ?¿?
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1313234568 M * Bertl presumably
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1313276759 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1313276763 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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