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1311908394 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1311908398 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1311922595 M * tnkflx Morning
1311922865 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@213.238.45.2
1311922880 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@213.238.45.2
1311923616 J * uranus ~uranus@62.152.161.117
1311923629 M * uranus hi all
1311923643 M * uranus does anyone have successful setup systemd inside a guest?
1311923737 M * cehteh eeek :P
1311924718 M * uranus first of all systemd must not mount /sys and /dev
1311925101 M * uranus after searching around the code of systemd i got to the conclusion, that systemd is incompatibel with linux vserver, and you would need to patch the systemd source to use systemd inside a guest
1311925338 M * pmjdebruijn why is it incompatible?
1311925343 M * pmjdebruijn (just curious)
1311926438 M * uranus because of the dependeny to /sys and cgroups
1311926610 M * pmjdebruijn ah
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1311931290 A * uranus Mahlzeit
1311931581 J * ntrs ~ntrs@vault08.rosehosting.com
1311932463 M * tnkflx Is Daniel here?
1311932629 M * monrad-51468 ps aux
1311932631 M * monrad-51468 ups :)
1311933195 M * SwenTjuln has anyone noticed that fedora is missing /dev/cgroup/memory.memsw.* files?
1311933300 M * arekm likely default to off on fedora. Look into kernel docs on how to turn it on
1311933638 M * SwenTjuln I don't see why they turned it of though
1311933688 M * arekm read help for that kernel option. It will explain
1311934669 N * fback_ fback
1311936959 M * daniel_hozac quite possibly you can turn it on with the boot option.
1311939100 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1311939628 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1311939635 M * Bertl morning folks!
1311939834 M * hijacker afternoon Bertl 
1311940053 M * uranus moin Bertl 
1311940085 M * Bertl so you're playing with systemd?
1311940100 M * uranus yes but i gave up
1311940151 M * uranus i mounted /sys and /dev with a tmpfs, but systemd always saying that /dev ist not mounted
1311940258 M * Bertl does systemd have some debug mechanisms?
1311940292 M * Bertl it took a while for upstart to figure out what it wants
1311940308 M * Bertl even with the upstart developer here it wasn't trivial 
1311940402 M * uranus not come along so far, but systemd seems to have a debug option
1311940418 M * uranus at least in command line, so it should be possible to start with something like --debug
1311940457 M * Bertl so IMHO that would be the first thing to activate so that you actually see what systemd doesn't like, next step might be to strace -fF it
1311940580 M * daniel_hozac with the way systemd works, i don't think it will ever run in a guest in a nice way.
1311940642 M * Bertl how so?
1311940672 M * daniel_hozac well, for one, it uses cgroups internally as a job tracking mechanism.
1311940740 M * Bertl in a way which wouldn't work with hierarchical setups?
1311940770 M * daniel_hozac i'm not quite sure how the hierachies work, so i'm not sure :)
1311940870 M * daniel_hozac i'm pretty sure /sys is mandatory as well.
1311941690 M * Bertl well, /sys shouldn't be that problematic on newer kernels
1311941710 M * Bertl it might need a few additional checks though
1311942018 M * Bertl hehe, just read a systemd review/discussion:
1311942029 M * Bertl Disadvantages: - Written by the same guy who wrote PulseAudio. Some people don't like that.
1311942073 M * Bertl :)
1311942167 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:beae:c5ff:fe01:b647
1311942296 M * Guy- that's putting it mildly :)
1311942348 M * Bertl I know a few fans of pulse-audio, but just a few and they are not very close :)
1311942383 M * ccxCZ lol systemd. why just not use daemontools?
1311942394 M * Bertl no seriously, I'm not against pulse-audio, but I'm against their attitude .. which is terrible
1311942428 M * Guy- ccxCZ: runit is a better daemontools, but the design goals of daemontools and systemd are different
1311942438 M * Bertl you install pulse-audio on a machine which works perfectly fine with alsa (for whatever reason), and after 5 minutes, pulse-audio has crashed, locked up, etc
1311942480 M * Bertl you file a bug report, go to the channel to solve the issue, but all you get is: your alsa drivers are broken ... nothing wrong with pulse-audio
1311942494 M * trippeh pulse works fine for me, except from some a2dp bugs
1311942502 M * trippeh (bluetooth stereo)
1311942638 M * Bertl uranus: so, the #systemd channel suggests to use systemd-nspawn inside a container
1311942663 M * Bertl So, what's so great about systemd-nspawn again?
1311942663 M * Bertl 1. It's really easy to use. No need to manually mount /proc and /sys into your chroot() environment. The tool will do it for you and the kernel automatically cleans it up when the container terminates. 2. The isolation is much more complete, protecting the host OS from accidental changes from inside the container.
1311942668 M * Bertl  3. It's so good that ou can actually boot a full OS in the container, not just a sinugle lonesome shell. 4. It's actually tiny and installed everywhere where systemd is installed. No complicated installation or setup.
1311942781 M * Bertl so, there might be some issues with /sys and maybe hierarchical cgroups, we'll see, but at least they have considered such an environment ...
1311942909 M * uranus Bertl, will try nspawn next week
1311942940 M * Bertl keep us updated how it goes ...
1311942972 M * uranus sure
1311943918 M * tnkflx daniel_hozac: I've received a strange error after running util-vserver and Bertl told me to talk to you
1311943991 M * tnkflx daniel_hozac: "/usr/lib/util-vserver/functions: line 863: 'pkgmgmt.guessStyle': not a valid identifier"
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1311947039 J * pmjdebruijn ~pascal@overlord.pcode.nl
1311947140 M * uranus Bertl, btw i vote for kernel 3.0 because of cgroup support
1311947184 M * Bertl please do so on the ML then
1311947190 M * Bertl (if not already done)
1311947196 M * uranus k
1311947214 M * Bertl Mr_Smoke: same for you please ...
1311948658 J * ryker ~Adium@c-76-16-115-27.hsd1.in.comcast.net
1311949310 M * Mr_Smoke Bertl: done already
1311949336 M * Bertl perfect, tx
1311949893 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1311949897 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1311950484 J * derjohn_mob aj@tmo-015-123.customers.d1-online.com
1311950550 J * derjohn_foo aj@tmo-015-123.customers.d1-online.com
1311951541 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1311951635 J * vuser ad0f8054@ircip1.mibbit.com
1311951658 Q * vuser 
1311951678 J * mib_8f6h7l ad0f8054@ircip4.mibbit.com
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1311952101 M * mib_8f6h7l I have a problem with zombie processes on vserver kernel.
1311952133 M * mib_8f6h7l the problem is: a process in the root context starts a child that does vserver exec somewhere in it's execution process
1311952150 M * mib_8f6h7l and child becomes zombie after a while
1311952176 M * mib_8f6h7l that's the bug in the process, not related to vserver
1311952201 M * mib_8f6h7l but the strange thing is that I can not see the directory of the zombie process in /proc
1311952228 M * mib_8f6h7l although it's there in the ps output
1311952258 M * mib_8f6h7l (when I use "ps -ef"
1311952293 M * mib_8f6h7l any ideas?
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1311953502 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@tmo-027-248.customers.d1-online.com
1311953928 M * daniel_hozac tnkflx: sounds like you're not running things in bash.
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1311963824 M * tnkflx Is Daniel here?
1311965571 M * tnkflx daniel_hozac: Yes, I'm running bash
1311965606 M * tnkflx GNU bash, version 4.1.10(2)-release (x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu)
1311965614 M * tnkflx /bin/sh is linked to /bin/bas
1311966581 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@cable-84-43-136-96.mnet.bg
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1311967219 J * pmjdebruijn ~pascal@overlord.pcode.nl
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1311970239 M * daniel_hozac tnkflx: well, do you have any proof that that is what's running your process, whatever that is?
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1311971042 J * cuba33ci_ ~cuba33ci@111-240-171-210.dynamic.hinet.net
1311971181 M * tnkflx daniel_hozac: Proof not yet, but everything is run by bash on startup...
1311971277 M * daniel_hozac what are you doing that is complaining?
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1311972136 J * Marillion ~dirk@178.63.150.30
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1311972309 M * tnkflx I'm starting util-vserver and vprocunhide at startup
1311972444 M * daniel_hozac and which one gives you that error?
1311972446 M * tnkflx via the sysvinit compatibility scripts on Slackware
1311972454 M * tnkflx util-vserver give the error
1311972472 M * tnkflx "/usr/lib/util-vserver/functions: line 863: 'pkgmgmt.guessStyle': not a valid identifier"
1311972474 M * daniel_hozac and what runs it?
1311972515 M * daniel_hozac sh or bash?
1311972519 M * tnkflx It's run by /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S.util-vserver.sh which is just a link to /etc/init.d/util-vserver
1311972521 M * daniel_hozac or something else entirely?
1311972522 M * tnkflx sh linked to bash
1311972539 M * tnkflx /bin/sh which is a link to /bin/bash
1311972547 M * daniel_hozac sh still invokes different behaviour.
1311972569 M * tnkflx Even when it's just a link to bash?
1311972598 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1311972657 M * tnkflx Ok, so I have to change the startup to "/bin/bash /etc/init.d/util-vserver start" or something?
1311972731 M * daniel_hozac does that make it work?
1311972904 Q * sannes Remote host closed the connection
1311973042 M * tnkflx No idea, I have to reboot this box for that, which I'll do tomorrow ;-)
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1311973235 M * tnkflx also, I still have the "open(memory.usage_in_bytes): No such file or directory" error when I run vserver-stat
1311973246 M * tnkflx Running rc17 on 2.6.38.8
1311973443 M * _are_ I noticed there is some kind of linux-3.0 vsevrer patch, but it doesn't get added to the webpage.
1311973495 J * nicholi ~nicholi@12.232.116.66
1311973596 M * tnkflx Anyways, that'll be for tomorow, bye
1311973597 M * daniel_hozac yep
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