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1307240212 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1307240217 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1307284268 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1307284593 M * deever anyone here running x clients in vservers using the x server of the host, but not over ssh, rather via it's unix domain socket? i've tried with bind mount, but the problem is that the vserver has a tmpfs mounted at its /tmp, which is invisible on the host...
1307284627 M * Bertl well, that is not really a problem
1307284657 M * Bertl what you need to take care of is that you have the same namespace if you want to use unix sockets
1307284686 M * Bertl as sidenote: for the /tmp you can simply change that in the guest config's fstab
1307284873 M * deever Bertl: this mount is not in the guest's fstab! ;)
1307284890 M * Bertl no, but as I said, in the guest config :)
1307284930 M * deever ah, wait! ;)
1307285490 M * deever ok, now the guest doesn't use a tmpfs /tmp any more, but after 'mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /vservers/myserv/tmp/.X11-unix', the host's X11 socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 is still not visible in the guest
1307285541 M * deever as well as that the host and the guest don't see each other's created files under /tmp/.X11-unix
1307285599 M * Bertl because you bind mount in the wrong namespace
1307285622 M * Bertl i.e. if you want the guest to see any bind mount, you need to do it in the guest namespace
1307286207 M * deever Bertl: yes! now it works! :)
1307286360 M * Bertl :)
1307286652 M * deever this is a big difference (and also an improvement imo) over freebsd's jail mechanism, where there's (AFAIK!) no concept of namespaces...
1307286680 M * Bertl yep, Linux-VServer nowadays builds on namespaces and contexts for all kind of things
1307286707 M * Bertl i.e. IP and process isolation is context based, but everything else, like ipc, filesystem, etc is namespace based
1307287136 M * deever so there can be shared IPC resources between a distinct set of vservers, but you don't have to permit access to vservers to the global IPC mechanism as you had in freebsd
1307287144 M * deever nice
1307287168 M * Bertl correct, same goes for uts, mnt, etc 
1307287180 M * deever uts?
1307287196 M * Bertl mostly machine information, i.e. uname -a stuff
1307287256 M * deever this is why vservers can have a loopback device...freebsd jails cannot! :)
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1307287331 M * Bertl loopback as in lo or loop?
1307287495 M * deever ah, lo, sry
1307287502 M * deever 127.0.0.1
1307287619 M * deever well, fbsd8 is probably different here
1307287635 M * Bertl well, bsd seems to have neglected the jails pretty much over the years
1307287668 M * Bertl we have two variants for lo, one which is called lback remappping and the other comes from the network namespace
1307287696 M * Bertl the former gives you the illusion of lo/127.0.0.1, the latter a real virtual network stack with lo and whatnot
1307287725 M * Bertl (of course, the former is simpler to configure and faster as it does not involve a virtual network stack)
1307287770 M * deever are you a vserver developer?
1307287800 M * Bertl yep
1307287982 M * deever did you ever use an x11 client in a vserver using a host's x11 server thru the unix domain socket instead of tcp/ssh?
1307288164 M * Bertl maybe, but probably not ... we've tested a lot of things over the years, but I'm pretty sure it works fine ...
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1307289309 M * deever Bertl: i'm getting "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s", although i have bind-mounted the host X11 server's socket
1307289350 M * Bertl probably authentication issue
1307289376 M * deever ok
1307289377 M * Bertl but it might be as well a problem that your socket is in the wrong namespace
1307289377 Q * FireEgl Read error: No route to host
1307289405 M * Bertl I'd suggest to try with tcp first, as you can avoid the namespace isolation there
1307289422 M * Bertl (and fix/test the authentication stuff)
1307289460 M * deever the x server was started in the host's namespace, so this is probably also a problem...
1307289478 M * deever can a unix socket be in multiple namespaces?
1307289510 M * Bertl nope, but you can share namespaces between guests/host
1307289547 M * deever i mean, the socket's file is seen in guest and host, but this is not sufficient i guess?
1307289559 M * deever since there is also an ipc namespace
1307289599 M * Bertl depends, file system vs anonymous sockets for example
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