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~zbyniu@ip-62.181.188.13.static.crowley.pl 1305448372 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de 1305448372 J * sid3windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be 1305448389 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:4ccd:e12f:d171:4f5e 1305449010 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p4FFD0D0C.dip.t-dialin.net 1305451815 J * doudou ~doudou@lau06-3-82-240-154-251.fbx.proxad.net 1305452113 M * doudou Hi, i am trying to install vserver, i may not have required knowledge. i folowed http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Linux_2.6 compiled kernel with the patch, i compiled utils-vserver and install them, but i have two problems: i dont know how to install the /etc/init.d/vprocunhide script, and i cant boot the kernel anyway, i have no initrd 1305452148 M * doudou Is it possible to have vserver stay in a initrd drive? how to build it? 1305452158 M * daniel_hozac what? 1305452182 M * doudou put vserver in a ram drive linux busybox? 1305452236 M * daniel_hozac sure... 1305452236 M * doudou put vserver in a ram drive like busybox? 1305452255 M * doudou thanks, where is tutorial to make the initrd? 1305452265 M * daniel_hozac there isn't one. 1305452275 M * daniel_hozac feel free to write one when you get it working though. 1305452307 M * doudou i am not able to do so, it is why i ask, i even dont know if it is possible, do you think so? 1305452356 M * daniel_hozac of course it is. 1305452374 M * doudou i beleive that was the direction of http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Linux_2.6 but not 1305452468 M * daniel_hozac no 1305452481 M * daniel_hozac that has nothing to do with running a system from an initrd alone. 1305452545 M * doudou anyway my problem was, i use archlinux as host to compile, i downloaded dietlib and vlan and many packages to compile util-vserver, but when i want to boot the new kernel there are problems, first my kernel does not recognize my sda disk, seem because i wrongly compile my kernel, i beleive that modules are installed from initrd 1305452586 M * doudou running vserver from initrd could allow to lauch guest os? 1305452666 M * daniel_hozac umm 1305452674 M * daniel_hozac you would still need a place to store guests 1305452683 M * daniel_hozac so you might want to figure out why you can't boot the host. 1305452789 M * doudou testing is different problem than running? 1305452820 M * doudou main idea is to have easy gestion of guest as files 1305452853 M * doudou separe definitly os from data 1305452853 M * daniel_hozac what? 1305452922 M * doudou if i have vserver booting andutil-vserver running in memory, guest os are files that i boot, so i can very easy change versions 1305452940 M * doudou i intend to keep data in another partition, even disk 1305452966 M * doudou so i have three separate levels: vserver, guest os, data 1305452969 J * bsingh ~balbir@122.172.33.86 1305452989 M * daniel_hozac and "vserver" means the host? 1305453009 M * daniel_hozac i have no idea what you are trying to achieve. 1305453065 M * doudou vserver is the host, rely only on kerner, and guest are on disk, data on other disk? 1305453094 M * doudou i dont want to mix host, guests, data 1305453107 M * daniel_hozac and you usually don't... 1305453128 M * doudou i prefer to keep vserver minimal 1305453187 M * daniel_hozac and that's what you normally do... 1305453253 M * doudou but when i have vserver installed on a host, vserver still have access to lot of programms and lib? if it is running on kernel and small ramdisk it is better no? 1305453282 M * daniel_hozac only if you have a lot of programs and libs installed. 1305453334 M * daniel_hozac i fail to see how a really fat and unmanageable initrd is better than just running the host as normal. 1305453394 M * doudou you know exactly what you put into it, instead of knowing what you can remove from host 1305453424 M * doudou unmanageable, but many distrib automate the building of the initrd? 1305453465 M * daniel_hozac yes. a minimal initrd that is capable of booting the host. 1305453470 M * doudou well the aim of vserver is security? minimal is good path for more security? 1305453521 M * doudou vserver need many programs? most is already in built kernel? 1305453554 M * doudou but i understand your point of vue, i must consider that again, i may be wrong 1305453585 M * daniel_hozac if you just install your host with a minimal system from the start, you don't need to remove anything. 1305453674 M * doudou i would like to trust a kernel and minmal number of tools, any distrib even minimal are big, first because they need to adapt to many hardware 1305453700 M * daniel_hozac not really. 1305453777 M * doudou anyhow i dont want to consider security of any minimal distrib, 1305453816 M * doudou i expected vserver to propose some security handling for me, in controling what guest are doing 1305453871 M * doudou but i need to control what vserver does, i can only imagine with minimal install 1305453915 M * doudou of vserver 1305453926 M * doudou into an initrd would be perfect 1305453943 M * daniel_hozac so make it happen. 1305454093 M * doudou i am very far from a person who have enought talent and knowledge to make his dreams come true, i need help 1305454162 M * daniel_hozac you can probably hire Bertl_zZ 1305454165 M * doudou is there a link explaining what tools need vserver to run? what should i read first 1305454191 Q * raceme Quit: leaving 1305454223 M * doudou cant hire, but if i cant convince you, it is probably my ideas have some drawback, i need to consider that, thanks 1305454805 Q * bsingh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1305455079 M * doudou i come from http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/TechComparison, i tried Xen but dont like qemu, i tried kvm but it is same, i honnestly tried vserver, i hope that "poor performance isolation" was worth a try... i beleive i went as far as i can, maybe i will try again as compiling utils-vserver was long and painfull. 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