1304388241 J * ccurran ~ccurran@wsip-68-107-222-183.ph.ph.cox.net
1304388258 M * ccurran Howdy!
1304388294 M * ccurran I'm getting a whole bunch of this in syslog:
1304388295 M * ccurran [511759.377991] vxW: [�ls�,3865:#1254|1254|1254] did lookup hidden devpts:ffff8801bece7930[#0,29] �/dev/pts/26�
1304388329 M * ccurran I was hoping to appeal to your wisdom, oh great IRC. Thoughts?
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1304393104 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.9.250
1304398070 M * Bertl oops, seems I missed ccurran ... 
1304398086 M * Bertl anyway ... off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1304398092 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1304398914 Q * bsingh Read error: Operation timed out
1304402472 J * ncopa ~ncopa@3.203.202.84.customer.cdi.no
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1304414001 N * Piet_ Piet
1304418476 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1304418482 M * Bertl morning folks!
1304418502 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl 
1304418548 M * hijacker afternoon & that was a short night sleep ... lool
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1304429078 P * kir 
1304430087 M * Bertl nap attack ... bbl
1304430100 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1304440186 P * thewanderer1 Trying to relate to a Debian user is like trying to hug a cactus.
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1304444468 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1304444881 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1304445400 M * Bertl back now ...
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1304455313 J * Radiance ~Radiance@193.16.154.187
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1304461916 J * radix ~radix@sslvpn.idsoftware.com
1304462000 M * radix So I've been trying to get my ubuntu vservers set up in a way that actually works for real. I've managed to get upstart working to the point that it initially starts services, but all "start" / "stop" / "restart" commands that happen at run-time just  block while trying to communicate with the init process.
1304462011 M * radix Has anyone ever got ubuntu vservers working to that extent?
1304462142 M * Bertl blocking sounds like a bug in upstart, try with strace -f to find out more where it blocks (besides enabling upstart debug logs, assumed they exist now :)
1304462163 M * radix I did that, it's blocking while polling on the upstart FD.
1304462189 M * radix I would like to know if anyone has ever actually got an ubuntu vserver working before I go filing bugs; maybe I've just configured something wrong.
1304462197 M * radix If really nobody's ever gotten it working, then I guess it is a bug.
1304462197 M * Bertl so upstart is not answering or upstart is blocking?
1304462213 M * radix "poll" in the "restart" program is blocking
1304462219 M * radix poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1
1304462241 M * radix 3 is the unix socket created to @/com/ubuntu/upstart.
1304462245 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure it is some kind of 'bug' in upstart, at least to that degree that it assumes something which isn't present
1304462278 M * radix I couldn't follow that logic. what's it assuming is present?
1304462279 M * Bertl because there is no reason why upstart shouldn't work as 'intended'
1304462321 M * Bertl what I mean was, it might be that upstart just assumes that this or that is there, like it assumes that it can manipulate the console for example
1304462336 M * Bertl s/mean/meant/
1304462354 M * radix yeah, maybe, I don't know.
1304462383 M * radix It maybe not be a bug in upstart, though, it may just be a misconfiguration in one of my init configurations.
1304462390 M * radix Because that's where things like the console are referred to.
1304462391 M * Bertl i.e. upstart has quite a number of assumptions, which might be true for certain systems, but which are not valid for all systems and specifically not for guest systems
1304462408 M * radix And this goes back to why I want to know if anyone has ever succeeded in getting ubuntu to work.
1304462443 M * Bertl well, those who did the ubuntu/upstart wiki entries probably did, no?
1304462456 M * radix I'm not terribly convinced :)
1304462463 M * radix They may have gotten as far as me, where stuff starts up initially.
1304462465 M * Bertl but upstat for sure has changed since, it's still under heavy development
1304462539 M * Bertl so, my suggestion is to enable whatever upstart debugging there is, and see what comes up
1304462561 M * Bertl maybe it (upstart) even tells you what's wrong, missing or expected?
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1304466967 M * Bertl okay, off to bed then ... have a good one everyone!
1304466973 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ