1304209029 J * frank\ 4fdde1c8@ircip3.mibbit.com
1304209042 M * frank\ hellos - anyone still awake?
1304209118 M * frank\ however - just out of curiosity... does anyone know how (in technical detail) HETZNER does this 'failover-ip' thingie?
1304209136 M * frank\ .oO completely off topic here - i know ;)
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1304224545 J * jla ~jacob@green.lhtassociates.com
1304224644 M * jla hi, I tried making a new vserver guest by rsync'ing  an existing system and I've messed something up so that I don't get /proc.
1304225053 M * Bertl_oO how did you create the guest config?
1304225130 M * jla I don't remember, I created it a while ago, it was unused but working I think, so I chucked it full of the other system. I've been searching and comparing other running instances settings but no clues :(
1304225138 M * jla now I'm trying capabilites bats
1304225178 M * Bertl_oO hmm, well, most likely you messed something up there, do you still have the original?
1304225239 M * jla I have the origional physical server with a couple tweaks for ip addresses. I don't have abackup of the guest I took over.
1304225308 M * Bertl_oO okay, then assuming you have a recent util-vserver, I'd suggest to create a new one with the rsync build method, or, if you want to fix up the current one without digging into the config, use the clone build method
1304225334 M * Bertl_oO both should give you a working guest with a sane default to start from
1304225349 J * bzed_ ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
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1304225511 M * jla I hate to toss all the 'remove hardware specific stuff' work I did, but I'll give that a go. 
1304225523 M * jla thanks
1304225536 M * Bertl_oO well, the 'clone' will keep that intact
1304225550 M * Bertl_oO i.e. it will copy the guest data as is
1304225562 M * Bertl_oO (just with the necessary cleanups)
1304225597 M * jla so the problem is more likely in the settings and not in the guest's init? I wasn't sure who should be mounting /proc. I'll give clone a go, thanks
1304225619 M * Bertl_oO the guest, by default, is not allowed to mess with mounts etc
1304226132 J * marauder ~flint@raskin.torservers.net
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1304226846 M * jla Bertl_oO: woot I wish I had asked hours ago. the curious part of me wants to figure out what's different/fixed.
1304226873 M * Bertl_oO well, no problem there, just compare the configs in /etc/vservers/...
1304226914 M * jla that's what I had started out doing between the by-hand rsync clobber and the "for years now" running instances :) I'll get right on it
1304226948 M * Bertl_oO you probably can use 'diff' for that, something like:
1304226960 M * Bertl_oO diff -NurpP /etc/vservers/{old,new}
1304227005 M * Bertl_oO make that
1304227008 M * Bertl_oO diff -NxurpP /etc/vservers/{old,new}
1304227024 M * jla much nicer, no device spam
1304227113 M * jla the only differences are my last-ditch efforts at giving caps, which didn't work, the context id, and the vserver names
1304227121 M * Bertl_oO hmm, well, but I'm wrong here, i.e. the 'x' doesn't do what I wanted
1304227159 M * Bertl_oO you have to exclude specific links (mainly those to the guest dir and cache) explicitely
1304227185 M * Bertl_oO but most likely your difference is in fstab, mtab and/or the capabilities
1304227188 M * jla ok. it spammed on the .static/dev block file stuff
1304227294 M * jla /etc/vservers/{instance}/fstab are the same, no mtabs in there and bcaps/ccapabilities didn't exist before several minutes ago
1304227358 M * Bertl_oO well, it could still be in the guest itself, e.g. a problem with the mount point for proc, but you should have gotten a warning/error if that was the case
1304227359 M * jla could it be something dumb like the wrong permissions on /proc from my out-of-band rsync?
1304227398 M * jla it was silent about it, but ssh failed with a weird error and some other daemon complained loudly about no devices and another about no proc
1304227460 M * Bertl_oO well, you'll figure it out eventually ... I'm off to bed for now :)
1304227466 M * jla idk, the ls -l list of permissions looks the same. oh well. I don't want to trouble you about something silly. thanks again!
1304227481 M * Bertl_oO have a good one everyone .. cya!
1304227485 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1304231947 M * jla the magic is too deep for me :) oh well, I've finished tweaking the system so it's working again. later
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1304237688 J * jazzanova_ ~boris@rearden.hypervolume.com
1304237689 M * jazzanova_ hi
1304237733 M * jazzanova_ i have created a vserver guest on a local ip. how to i portforward to it from the host, binding only to a particular ip on the host ?
1304237776 M * jazzanova_ say i want to forward port 80 to the guest, without disturbintg other guests, whihc each have a public ip.
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1304253666 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1304253673 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1304263297 M * ser is there any procedure for cryptsetup startup on guest root fs?
1304263381 M * julius pam_mount/ssh on the host?
1304263441 M * daniel_hozac no
1304263540 M * Bertl you can use the various scripts to do that
1304263908 M * ser Bertl: you mean, before I start vservers?
1304263934 M * Bertl well, I mean the guest pre/post/initialize scripts
1304263945 M * ser OK, I see
1304263948 M * ser thanks
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1304285212 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm, basesystem-minimal doesn't include urpmi?
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1304288114 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: correct
1304288139 M * Bertl so for an internalized guest, you need to add that
1304288211 M * daniel_hozac okay
1304288221 M * daniel_hozac i'll make externalized package management work too then
1304288277 M * Bertl so I take it, that it now includes the required features to properly handle guest installation?
1304288298 M * Bertl (it being recent urpmi :)
1304288310 M * daniel_hozac yeah
1304288372 M * Bertl great news! thanks for looking into it!
1304288559 M * daniel_hozac the complete patch might take me longer than i expected, i didn't think it was working this well yet :)
1304288707 M * Bertl no problem, take your time, I don't worry about a few more days/weeks :)
1304288748 M * Bertl ah, how do you prefer to handle distro packaging and distro specific spec guidelines, etc?
1304288770 M * Bertl (I'm talking about packaging util-vserver for mageia for example)
1304288859 M * daniel_hozac hmm?
1304288867 M * Bertl should the packager create a custom .spec and maintain that, or do you want to get feedback about distro specifica and want to incorporate them in the generated spec for example?
1304288884 M * daniel_hozac depends on what the required changes are i suppose.
1304288933 M * daniel_hozac seems like less work for everyone involved if it can all be maintained in one place.
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1304288991 M * Bertl probably, but I'm not sure this can be handled with a 'single' spec file though
1304289029 M * Bertl for example, mageia uses %mklibname and similar
1304289056 M * daniel_hozac %mklibname?
1304289057 M * Bertl and seems to have (according to rpmlint + mageia policy) different app groups
1304289094 M * Bertl mklibname is a macro creating the standartized library names for libraries and development packages
1304289151 M * daniel_hozac ah...
1304289310 M * Bertl but I guess the best approach is to adjust a spec to the policies and guidelines and let you check what can be done with that for the next version, yes?
1304289321 M * daniel_hozac probably.
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