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1299143291 M * daniel_hozac mib_2q7jo5: yes.
1299143304 M * daniel_hozac a couple actually.
1299143988 J * LuckyLuke ~luca@host65-83-static.228-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1299145558 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1299145562 M * Bertl morning folks!
1299145567 M * daniel_hozac morning Bertl
1299145572 M * Bertl morning daniel_hozac! everything fine here? :)
1299145628 M * daniel_hozac as far as i know :)
1299145643 M * daniel_hozac how are things there?
1299145669 M * Bertl interesting 
1299145717 M * daniel_hozac oh?
1299145772 M * Bertl we are testing a technical solution for the 2012 olympic games here
1299145802 M * Bertl in the 'in progress' stadium, and security is kind of extreme ...
1299145810 M * daniel_hozac hehe
1299145849 M * Bertl airport security is primitive compared to this :)
1299145878 M * LuckyLuke morning everyone. I'm testing some vserver stuff for gentoo. Can you please tell me if it is normal that util-vserver-0.30.216_pre2910 will stop working from 2.6.36-something? and does a more recent version work (we have 0.30.216_pre2935 in portage) work correctly with more recent kernels/patchsets?
1299145879 M * daniel_hozac lol
1299145883 M * Bertl but everybody is really friendly, just every move is very complicated
1299145887 M * daniel_hozac sounds like fun
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1299145954 M * daniel_hozac is it the IT security that is extreme, or the physical security?
1299146057 M * Bertl nah, IT security is not a problem at all, there is almost no infrastructure there, we had to get a 3G stick to get internet access in the first place
1299146074 M * Bertl i.e. they have on site internet already but only in special places
1299146170 M * daniel_hozac hehe
1299146171 M * daniel_hozac okay
1299146449 M * LuckyLuke ping?
1299146471 M * daniel_hozac LuckyLuke: you definitely want a recent version.
1299146539 M * LuckyLuke so that's expected behaviour that the older _pre2910 stops working, right?
1299146572 M * Bertl yes, it is lacking the support for newer mainline kernel features
1299146578 M * daniel_hozac depends on your definition of stops working, but certain things will for sure.
1299146647 M * Bertl if you turn them off (the new features) and do not need certain things which have been replaced with those features, you are fine with the older tools as well
1299146651 M * LuckyLuke well 'vserver foo start' not working qualifies for "stops working" :)
1299146683 M * Bertl mainly because you have enabled kernel features not supported (because not anticipated) in that release
1299146705 M * LuckyLuke it was just to know if it is expected or a problem in our ebuilds. we're gonna mark _pre2910 stable along with linux-2.6.35-vserver-2.3.0.36.32 - and that works
1299146742 M * LuckyLuke at last we have a full and not too old vserver stack ready to use in gentoo...
1299146763 M * Bertl I'd suggest to update to a recent util-vserver version and go for 2.6.36+
1299146803 M * Bertl 2.6.35 is not the best choice for the kernel IMHO, and folks will not be happy with older util-vserver (with the old or any recent kernel)
1299146832 M * LuckyLuke oh well current stable in gentoo was based on some 2.6.24 kernel iirc
1299146839 M * Bertl of course, that's up to you, but it's already a really annoying feature in debian :)
1299146844 M * LuckyLuke let's stable this so we can add newer stuff asap
1299146859 M * LuckyLuke I'm no gentoo dev I only help them with testing and stuff
1299146868 M * daniel_hozac what's the point of calling something "stable" if it doesn't realy work right?
1299146883 M * LuckyLuke and yes I'm already annoyed from time to time for some releng issues even in gentoo
1299146910 M * LuckyLuke daniel_hozac: don't even get me started on that, please.
1299146925 M * Bertl so yes, 2.6.35 is way better than 2.6.24
1299146959 M * Bertl 2.6.36 would be a better choice, as the kernel itself is better (mainline wise)
1299146960 M * LuckyLuke but if there are known issues with that kernel version I could point them out in the BR, at least people will know that and maybe work faster for a newer version
1299146980 M * Bertl personally I'm really happy with the 2.6.38 branch, which works as I expect a kernel to work
1299147044 M * LuckyLuke the stable gentoo-sources are 2.6.36.something, I doubt any dev will want to go ahead than that for a 'minor' kernel source
1299147072 M * Bertl so why not use that then?
1299147136 M * LuckyLuke I don't really know. they opened a BR for the stabilization of those versions and I'm helping test that. Let's close that br and then try to go on with newer versions...
1299147142 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: is the 'new' cred stuff working as it should, do we have a feedback there?
1299147164 M * daniel_hozac i haven't heard anything either way.
1299147227 M * Bertl LuckyLuke: fine with me, just FYI, if some gentoo folks (developers) ask me nicely for a patch against the 'official' gentoo sources, it's not a big problem for me to provide a patch against those sources within a short time
1299147385 M * LuckyLuke I don't think there's a problem with current ebuilds. I've not checked it but afaik they're based on mainline+vserver+epatch (the latter being gentoo stuff). I'll ask about going to a more recent version (after testing it manually on my systems), and will come back here crying for help if needed ^_^
1299147429 M * Bertl no problem with that at all
1299147523 M * LuckyLuke I'm writing in the BR: "linux-vserver devs pointed out that newer kernels are more stable than this one (also for mainline improvements) and recommend upgrading ASAP to 2.6.36+ for 'stable' usage and the 2.6.38 branch for 'experimental but working' kind of stuff"
1299147534 M * LuckyLuke does that sound good?
1299147794 M * Bertl sounds good
1299147880 M * LuckyLuke ok. many thanks guys.
1299148473 M * Bertl you're welcome!
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1299151320 M * LuckyLuke I do get a bunch of warning when compiling util-vserver on HPPA (python/_libvserver.c dereferencing pointer BLAH does break strict-aliasing rules)
1299151346 M * LuckyLuke if I give you a detailed report against latest snapshot, can you guys take a look at that?
1299151384 M * daniel_hozac that's a Python thing.
1299151397 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p5DF2C4AC.dip.t-dialin.net
1299151435 M * LuckyLuke seems like it's python bindings of util_vserver?
1299151441 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1299151463 M * LuckyLuke there are probably a dozen or so occurrences of that stuff
1299151470 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1299151475 M * daniel_hozac as expected.
1299151550 M * daniel_hozac all on lines using code directly from Python.
1299156086 M * Bertl off for now ... got some more work to do here ...
1299156088 M * Bertl bbl
1299156092 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1299160038 M * swenTjuln daniel_hozac: is util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2938 considered stable?
1299160069 M * swenTjuln or what is with util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2914 from topic?
1299160091 M * daniel_hozac topic never gets updated :)
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1299160946 M * swenTjuln :D
1299160948 M * swenTjuln tnx
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