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1298179376 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1298179382 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1298211484 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1298211490 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1298214582 M * Mr_Smoke mo'in
1298214589 M * Mr_Smoke Or afternoon, whatever :)
1298214688 M * Mr_Smoke Bertl: got a question for you
1298214709 M * Mr_Smoke I'm trying to set up a reasonable & reliable backup system for vservers spread across 2 physical hosts that I control
1298214725 M * Bertl okay?
1298214735 M * Mr_Smoke My first thought was to use rsnapshot, but it can only do remote -> local, and apparently it's messed up because the symlinks confuse it
1298214745 M * Mr_Smoke In other words :
1298214759 M * Mr_Smoke in a guest, /usr/bin/stuff is a symlink for /bin/stuff for example
1298214807 M * Mr_Smoke When rsnapshot does its snapshot, it will apparently compare the remote symlink to the local one, and hence compare /bin/stuff from the remote guest with /bin/stuff on the local host/guest
1298214814 M * Mr_Smoke Can't put my head round this
1298214831 M * Mr_Smoke I figure I'm gonna do everyhting from within each guest eventually
1298214834 M * Bertl sounds like a bug or a missing option
1298214848 M * Bertl symlinks should not be followed at all for a proper backup
1298214849 M * Mr_Smoke Yeah, could be. Guess I'll double check
1298214853 M * Mr_Smoke My point exactly
1298214864 M * Mr_Smoke I must have messed up my rsnapshot setup then.
1298214865 M * Bertl and AFAIK, e.g. rsync doesn't do that for example
1298214898 M * Mr_Smoke Indeed, and that's how I got a clue that maybe I was doing something wrong
1298214912 M * Mr_Smoke Since after all, rsnapshot is just rsync in a nicely wrapped package
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1298214929 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p5DF2D83A.dip.t-dialin.net
1298214930 M * Bertl the main question is, what do you do the backup for and what do you expect from it?
1298214931 M * Mr_Smoke Otherwise, are there any preferred solutions for backing up vservers ?
1298214965 M * Bertl for example, if you 'just' want a recent version in case something goes south (when testing or updating), a simple 'rsync copy
1298214970 M * Bertl  should suffice
1298214971 M * Mr_Smoke I expect that if I completely lose data on a host, I must be able to recover from the backup (that's in addition to hardware RAID for reliability (not  backup, I know))
1298214991 M * Mr_Smoke yeah, rsync / is how I moved my guests from host to host
1298214994 M * Bertl so why not simply rsync every host to the other machine?
1298215003 M * Bertl i.e. keep a version on each host
1298215020 M * Mr_Smoke got some tidying up to do though, because each guest has a monut -o bind of the host's /usr/portage 
1298215031 M * Mr_Smoke I might do just that
1298215032 M * Bertl which is fine, no?
1298215039 M * Mr_Smoke Well not really
1298215042 M * Mr_Smoke or
1298215044 M * Bertl doesn't matter for rsync for example
1298215053 M * Mr_Smoke i need to find a way for rsync *not* to copy it over
1298215061 M * Mr_Smoke I end up having multiple copies of portage
1298215079 M * Bertl a) stuff mounted _inside_ a guest will not be seen on the host anyway
1298215100 M * Bertl b) rsync knows the 'same filesystem' option, which will avoid moving to 'other' mounts
1298215114 M * Mr_Smoke yeah I was thinking about that too
1298215122 M * Mr_Smoke Need to put it all together in a nice script
1298215190 M * Mr_Smoke Shame that rsnapshot won't do local -> remote though
1298215196 M * Mr_Smoke can't remember the reason
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1298218786 M * geb hi folks
1298218793 M * geb got a strange problem
1298218826 M * geb util vserver desactivate /etc/init.d/hostname.sh on debian
1298218853 M * geb if i try to reactivate it ( ln -s /etc/init.d/hostname.sh /etc/rcS.d/S07hostname 
1298218865 M * geb i don't works, i have to put the script in rc.local
1298218881 M * geb why ? the hostname is set by util vserver after the "boot" ?
1298218967 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-092-078-112-242.pools.arcor-ip.net
1298219329 M * Mr_Smoke Bertl: FWIW, found the trick. I must have read about it somewhere. Include /foo/bar but exclude /foo/bar/* => saves the dir only, not its contents
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1298238104 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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