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1297398618 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1297398622 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1297418772 M * pmjdebruijn hmmmm
1297418785 M * pmjdebruijn I might be having an issue running muddleftpd on vserver, it fails when forking
1297418786 M * pmjdebruijn :(
1297418980 M * pmjdebruijn http://pastebin.com/reVT88XX
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1297420680 J * frank\ d5d3efb2@ircip1.mibbit.com
1297420687 M * frank\ hellos
1297420745 M * frank\ noticed that recent util-vserver should have fixed usertime/systime reporting in vserver-stat (so I am on 2.6.37-vs2.3.0.37-rc2 / 0.30.216-pre2933)
1297420774 M * frank\ ... but it still doesn't show anything useful but 0m00s00
1297421053 M * arekm works here
1297421310 M * BenG "vs2.3.0.37-rc2" - isn't there an rc3 available though?
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1297422625 N * BobR BobR_afk
1297423029 M * frank\ uhm - was distracted - sorry =)
1297423055 M * frank\ arekm: did you change anything else - or did it work out of the box
1297423100 M * frank\ cgroup is mounted
1297423128 M * frank\ and /etc/vservers/blabla/cgroup is present (but got nothing inside)
1297423190 M * arekm  /etc/vservers/blabl/cgroup - don't have this
1297423199 M * arekm rmdir it and restart guest
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1297424628 M * frank\ didn't had it before - thought it doesn't work when the cgroup dir is not present
1297424643 M * frank\ will remove and full reboot - just to be sure
1297424643 M * frank\ =)
1297424660 J * julius ~julius@217.20.127.15
1297424842 M * arekm frank\: I mount cgroup from fstab
1297424970 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@212-60-115-150.ip.cust.zensystems.net
1297425081 M * JonB hi, i have a vserver and for 1 of the guests nothing happens when i do vserver -v <name> stop
1297425232 M * JonB enter worked, it looked like it was still in upstart, so i did a kill -9 -1 and was back in the host, and now start works fine
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1297426503 M * frank\ arekm: rmdir on every occurance of cgroup in /etc/vserver did not help - still no usertime/systime at all
1297426513 M * frank\ arekm: what cgroup mount options do you have?
1297426538 M * frank\ arekm: I've got 'vserver /dev/cgroup cgroup cpu,cpuset,memory 0 0' in /etc/fstab - which probably isn't enough
1297426702 M * arekm frank\: no options like cpu,cpuset,memory (will automaticly use all available)
1297426741 M * arekm frank\: cpuacct is needed for accounting
1297426803 M * frank\ arekm: ok - I'll try without options then
1297427966 M * frank\ arekm: re - yeah - that did (obviously) the trick
1297427974 M * frank\ arekm: thanks for pointing =)
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1297432304 J * Mr_Smoke smokey@layla.lecoyote.org
1297432317 M * Mr_Smoke Hullo
1297432478 M * Mr_Smoke I've been wondering about something
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1297432489 M * Mr_Smoke I have a vserver here with hard RAM limit set to 512M
1297432511 M * Mr_Smoke How can the VSS be 1.2G in that case ?
1297433013 M * pmjdebruijn VSS is virtual mem if I'm not mistaken
1297433016 M * pmjdebruijn RSS is real mem
1297433041 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
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1297433159 M * Mr_Smoke pmjdebruijn: I understand that. But how can virtual mem be over twice the actual mem the vserver will ever be allowed ?
1297433194 M * ghislain perhaps it include file system caches and the library are counted for each process instead of one shared for all ?
1297433269 M * pmjdebruijn Mr_Smoke: virtual mem isn't really used?
1297433274 M * pmjdebruijn Mr_Smoke: think of shared libraries
1297433281 M * pmjdebruijn right what ghislain said
1297433355 M * Mr_Smoke Hm dunno really
1297433361 M * Mr_Smoke But thanks for the pointers :)
1297433375 M * Mr_Smoke Also, even though it's trollday, the next question isn't one really
1297433393 M * Mr_Smoke Does grsec make real sense in combination with vserver ? 
1297433414 M * Mr_Smoke I once read that the grsec chroot restrictions are pointless since most of them are in fact already enforced by vserver
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1297433851 J * noop ~noop@2001:1608:12::1004
1297434417 M * ghislain ymmv but i heard there is multiple system integrated like randomized stuff nd various security enhancement as well so even with chroot stuff less important it still can be handy
1297434426 M * ghislain note that i do NOT use it myself
1297434433 M * ghislain who cares about security anyway
1297434435 M * ghislain ;p
1297435183 M * Mr_Smoke Heheh
1297435240 M * wurtel pmjdebruijn: muddleftpd is a pile of steaming ...., the code sucks and it's been abandoned years ago.  use something else, I like pure-ftpd
1297435276 M * pmjdebruijn pure-ftpd doesn't do what I need
1297435290 M * pmjdebruijn I guess I could try proftpd
1297435294 M * pmjdebruijn I don't like that either
1297435302 M * pmjdebruijn wurtel: we already use vsftpd/pureftpd where they can be used
1297435308 M * pmjdebruijn but both have a rather small feature set
1297435312 M * pmjdebruijn for good reasons though
1297435321 M * pmjdebruijn I need to do some weird shit
1297435329 M * pmjdebruijn like limit file access beyond unix permissions 
1297435340 M * wurtel yeah, I miss that too :-/
1297435358 M * pmjdebruijn well, this is a mandatory feature for a job
1297435363 M * pmjdebruijn personally I'd never miss that :)
1297435373 A * pmjdebruijn is working on a rather odd use-case
1297435389 M * wurtel muddleftpd had a good feature set, unfortunately no support
1297435398 M * wurtel I often saw segfaults also
1297435399 M * pmjdebruijn I guess I'll look into proftpd then
1297435415 M * wurtel \who
1297435420 M * wurtel oops
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1297439235 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1297439239 M * Bertl morning folks!
1297439297 M * frank\ loas
1297439326 M * frank\ anybody with debian squeeze out there?
1297439367 M * frank\ iirc did they mention in their releasenotes that they now use upstart...
1297439398 M * frank\ ... but my plain/vanilla standard squeeze install doesn't even come with an installed package named 'upstart'
1297440194 M * Bertl so you want to use upstart on the host or guest?
1297440860 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1297441334 M * wurtel frank\: it's not a separate package, sysv-rc takes care of it
1297441340 M * wurtel $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc
1297441343 M * wurtel infowolfe: Checking if it is safe to convert to dependency based boot.
1297441343 M * wurtel infowolfe: Reordering boot system, log to /var/lib/insserv/run-20110211T1721.log
1297441343 M * wurtel success: Enabled dependency based boot system.
1297441357 M * wurtel ehm... s/infowolfe/info:
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1297441399 M * wurtel was it something I said? :-)
1297441684 M * Bertl probably scared him away with all that information :)
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1297446715 M * frank\ re
1297446813 N * BobR_afk BobR
1297446850 M * frank\ Bertl: no not yet - I just did some minimal debian squeeze install using CD1 of debian squeeze and wondered where 'upstart' is
1297446863 N * BobR BobR_oO
1297446871 M * frank\ Bertl: not yet related with vserver as host or guest at all at this moment
1297447676 M * Bertl well, I'd avoid upstart inside a guest for now, it doesn't seem to have any advantages over sysv and gives you a bunch of drawbacks
1297447720 M * Bertl you have to use it on distros like ubuntu, but when you have a choice, it would be a bad decision to pick upstart
1297447744 M * Bertl (of course, unless you are involved in upstart development that is :)
1297447746 M * Mr_Smoke What's upstart ? I keep reading about this
1297447754 M * Mr_Smoke Oh, is that an init system then ?
1297447777 M * Bertl yep
1297447784 M * Mr_Smoke Got it
1297447791 M * Mr_Smoke (googled it that is)
1297447800 M * Mr_Smoke I'm quite fond of openrc myself, but then again I'm a gentoois :)
1297447803 M * Mr_Smoke gentooist*
1297447812 M * Bertl somebody decided that sysv is not hip anymore, and created upstart
1297447818 M * Mr_Smoke Heh
1297447855 M * Bertl so, you are a gentoo fan then? I'd like to know how I get rid of 90% of the gentoo startup stuff without getting strange messages from the init system
1297447915 M * Mr_Smoke What do you mean ? what stuff ?
1297447938 M * Bertl well, I basically have a live cd (gentoo) which I boot over nfs root
1297447973 M * Bertl the startup should not touch any networking or check any filesystems (everything is fine when it gets started)
1297447993 M * Bertl and I'd like it to start sshd as soon as possible in the startup process
1297448075 M * Mr_Smoke Hm
1297448088 M * Mr_Smoke Dunno about lice CDs, haven't played with that recently
1297448097 M * Mr_Smoke live*
1297448112 M * Mr_Smoke But OpenRC is pretty fast and flexible, is that what you're using there ?
1297448122 M * Bertl no idea
1297448158 M * Mr_Smoke Besides, it works beautifully inside vservers :)
1297448167 M * frank\ Bertl: that's why I wonder - squeeze hypes upstart - but I cannot even see/confirm that it gets installed by default in a minimal squeeze install
1297448595 M * _Shiva_ I think upstart is hyped by cannonical/Ubuntu and "hyped-"back" into Debian - and on the other hand (RedHat and Google) ist 'systemd' which is the designated candidate to replace all inits :)
1297448612 M * hparker Livecd would not have openrc as openrc isn't stable yet, it would have the old baselayout1 on it
1297448670 M * Bertl makes sense
1297448708 M * Mr_Smoke Ah yeah
1297448712 M * Mr_Smoke I keep forgetting about that
1297448721 M * Mr_Smoke I had to switch to baselayout2 for some reason
1297448728 M * hparker But there's be a lot of work on openrc to get it to stable
1297448741 M * Mr_Smoke Stable enough for me, at any rate :)
1297448747 M * hparker I only have.. I think 1 system still running baselayout1
1297448759 M * _Shiva_ +1
1297448780 M * Mr_Smoke I have yet to migrate my vservers to openrc 7.0
1297448792 M * _Shiva_ openrc, baselayout2 and portage 2.2 ;-)
1297448797 M * Mr_Smoke Which scared me shitless the first time because it would b0rk all over the place until you set the right type :)
1297448802 M * Mr_Smoke (autodetection being gone)
1297448813 M * Bertl well, actually I don't really care what distro, I'm mainly looking for a small distro suited for powerpc64 which I can bott via nfs-root
1297448823 M * Bertl *boot
1297448824 M * hparker Yeah, I've moved a couple to 7
1297448849 M * hparker Bertl: Just do a diskless install :P
1297448861 M * Mr_Smoke Bertl: Can't help you much further. My Gentoo boxes are all "servers" that don't boot too often so I rarely see the impact of openrc
1297448868 M * Mr_Smoke And vservers all boot in less than a sec :)
1297448886 M * hparker Bertl: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/diskless-howto.xml
1297448983 M * _Shiva_ yawn - how oldscool :-) nfs.. :-)
1297449037 M * hparker heh.. I'm going to be setting up a HTPC that way.. Can't afford another SSD atm, this is the next best thing
1297449067 M * _Shiva_ using iSCSI you're even able to swap over net ;-) (w/o the hazzle to use nbd, that is)
1297449090 M * Bertl yeah, but you don't have easy access to the data and you can't share data on the server
1297449127 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: hmm? explain the latter
1297449150 M * Mr_Smoke Diskless HTPC ? hmm that's an idea
1297449157 M * Mr_Smoke I'd worry about boot time though
1297449224 M * Bertl _Shiva_: when I have 10 diskless systems, I can share most of the 'static' files on the NFS server and thus reduce load and diskspace there
1297449288 M * Mr_Smoke I tried secure NFS the other day, with Kerberos and stuff
1297449296 M * Mr_Smoke Mac OS couldn't operate it properly :/
1297449297 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: ah ok - then use aufs on at least two targets imported.. :-)
1297449309 M * Mr_Smoke One more reason to go abck to linux on the laptop maybe ...
1297449323 M * hparker Boot shouldn't be too bad on a gig network and minimal services
1297449346 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: (just kidding) ;)
1297450431 N * micah_ micah
1297450707 M * frank\ off for know - see you lads!
1297450711 M * frank\ byebye
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