1292976489 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com 1292976492 Q * manana Remote host closed the connection 1292977976 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p5DCE9267.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1292978560 Q * Chlorek Quit: Reconnecting 1292978562 J * Chlorek ~cokolwiek@c.sed.pl 1292979685 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1292980003 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1292983665 J * FireEgl FireEgl@2001:470:e056:8:b11e:e4b8:8a68:3554 1292984033 Q * imcsk8 Quit: Leaving 1292984085 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@p5DCE942E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de 1292984516 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1292984805 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1292985372 J * FireEgl FireEgl@2001:470:e056:9:4dc0:a69d:ba54:9a6b 1292992799 J * bsingh ~balbir@180.215.236.205 1292994131 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1292996237 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1292996243 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1292997606 M * arekm Bertl_zZ: which limits? that pastebin was showing cgroup limits for a guest (none set aka default) 1292997837 Q * arekm Quit: leaving 1292998717 J * arekm arekm@carme.pld-linux.org 1293000168 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149 1293001255 Q * Romster Quit: Geeks shall inherit properties and methods of object earth. 1293003659 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293004281 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1293004907 M * Weihnachtsmann where is a vserver.functions? 1293005340 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust83.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com 1293005448 Q * BenG 1293005450 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@139.12.1.252 1293005504 Q * manana Remote host closed the connection 1293005530 J * Romster ~romster@202.168.100.149.dynamic.rev.eftel.com 1293008246 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293008822 Q * hparker Quit: Quit 1293009789 J * _nono_ ~gomes@licencieux.ircam.fr 1293010270 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF43A99.dip.t-dialin.net 1293012526 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr 1293014842 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1293015013 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com 1293015552 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1293016901 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1293019045 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1293021613 M * Phoner Is anyone here running guest Ubuntu v10? I got problems with rsyslog: "restart/start/stop rsyslog" hangs, so any update or log rotation fails. 1293021652 M * Phoner I have followed http://linux-vserver.org/Upstart_issues and otherwise the guests run perfectly. 1293021820 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1293022372 M * PowerKe Phoner: Did you remove the rsyslog-kmsg.conf ? 1293022736 M * Phoner I can't see this file anywhere. 1293022750 M * Phoner # dpkg -S rsyslog-kmsg.conf 1293022750 M * Phoner dpkg: *rsyslog-kmsg.conf* not found. 1293022792 M * Phoner It's not in /etc/init for sure. 1293023287 M * Phoner The ps tree looks like: 1293023288 M * Phoner \_ dpkg --configure -a 1293023288 M * Phoner \_ /bin/sh /var/lib/dpkg/info/rsyslog.postinst configure 4 1293023288 M * Phoner \_ /bin/sh /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d rsyslog restart 1293023288 M * Phoner \_ /bin/sh -e /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart 1293023290 M * Phoner \_ restart rsyslog 1293023669 M * Weihnachtsmann delete 1293024251 Q * barismetin Remote host closed the connection 1293025343 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1293025436 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1293025440 M * Bertl morning folks! 1293025524 M * Phoner Hey Bertl. Any idea what can cause that rsyslog hang? (scroll up). 1293025528 M * Bertl Phoner: kernel/patch/util-vserver version? 1293025567 M * Phoner linux-image-vserver 2.6.32.25.27~ppa1 1293025581 M * Phoner util-vserver 0.30.216~r2842-2ubuntu2 1293025615 M * Phoner Host is also Ubuntu, 10.04 (LTS). 1293025670 M * Bertl is the klogd part disabled? or syslog virtualization enabled? 1293025680 M * Phoner Strace shows that it's upstart's fault somehow: 1293025681 M * Phoner [pid 1245] writev(3, [{"l\1\2\1\10\0\0\0\2\0\0\0q\0\0\0\1\1o\0 \0\0\0/com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/rsyslog\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\2\1s\0\31\0\0\0com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.Job\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\1s\0\7\0\0\0Restart\0\10\1g\0\3asb\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0", 136}, {"\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0", 8}], 2) = 144 1293025702 M * Phoner Then last line: [pid 1245] poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, -1 1293025742 M * Bertl well, upstart is still broken in many ways 1293025792 M * Bertl how do you start/stop the service? 1293025794 M * Phoner Bertl: yes, klogd is disabled: "ModLoad imklog" and "KLogPath /proc/kmsg" are commented. 1293025809 M * Phoner Look at the ps tree few lines up. 1293025829 M * Bertl I mean, how did you get into the guest? 1293025871 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr 1293025920 M * Phoner "vserver vsname enter". 1293025934 M * Phoner Would logging via ssh make any difference? 1293025935 M * Bertl try to ssh into the guest for example 1293025946 M * Phoner Hm. 1293026149 M * Phoner Still hangs. 1293026534 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1293026814 M * Bertl okay, I'd suggest to try with a more recent kernel/util-vserver 1293026847 M * Bertl and also enable some upstart logging if that is possible to figure out why 1293027021 M * Phoner I'm stuck with this kernel on host. I can only clone guest, upgrade it to 10.10 and see if that helped. 1293027062 M * Bertl okay, that might fix it if it actually is an upstart issue 1293027197 M * Bertl (most likely it is) 1293027635 Q * bsingh Read error: Operation timed out 1293029558 M * Phoner How bash expand the \h to hostname in guest? It's different than in /etc/hostname 1293029594 M * Phoner I mean, "How does bash expand". 1293029771 M * Bertl I presume it uses the uts information 1293029788 M * Bertl i.e. what you get in 'uname -a' 1293029823 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293030668 M * Phoner Bah, I missed the /etc/vservers/vsname/name. 1293032121 J * orzel ~orzel@sylphide-consulting.com 1293032176 M * orzel hello. i'm trying out 2.6.36.2-vs2.3.0.36.38.2 as found on the main webpage. I can't start vservers anymore... i'm using sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.216_pre2910 1293032201 M * orzel the error is http://freehackers.pastebin.com/b71VrVYR 1293032235 M * orzel or this one if i try to use gentoo init script : http://freehackers.pastebin.com/E9JuBzJw 1293032515 M * Bertl orzel: your util-vserver is too old 1293032519 M * orzel until now i was using 2.6.35.5-vs2.3.0.36.32 1293032533 M * orzel Bertl: i was afraid of this :/ 1293032548 M * Bertl we'll add a backward compatible dummy set_sched() soon 1293032570 M * Bertl but switching to a more recent util-vserver will fix it for you right now 1293032877 M * orzel yes, but gentoo only has pre2910 1293032895 M * orzel i've bumped this package locally to pre2926 1293032905 M * orzel and it works :) Let's report this to gentoo 1293032920 M * _Shiva_ orzel: gentoo is listening ;-) -> Hollow 1293032937 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com 1293033009 M * _Shiva_ actually, util-vserver in gentoo's portage tree is recent enough to handle gentoo portage's vserver-sources .. ;-) 1293033063 M * _Shiva_ so it needs to be bumped when vserver-sources get's bumped 1293033084 M * _Shiva_ till then - local overlay bumps schould be the way to go 1293033365 M * orzel oh ? even hardmasked ? 1293033368 M * orzel what a shame :/ 1293033543 J * bsingh ~balbir@180.215.218.25 1293033647 J * derjohn_foo aj@88.128.13.67 1293034768 Q * bsingh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293034857 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF43A99.dip.t-dialin.net 1293035391 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293035785 Q * ncopa Quit: Ex-Chat 1293035871 Q * barismetin Remote host closed the connection 1293036264 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1293036800 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1293037226 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl 1293037230 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1293038861 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1293039781 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1293039913 J * petzsch1 ~markus@p4FF43A99.dip.t-dialin.net 1293039999 Q * petzsch Read error: Connection reset by peer 1293040415 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1293040419 M * Bertl back now ... 1293044201 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293044751 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1293044851 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com 1293047048 M * Bertl nap attack .. bbl 1293047056 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1293048555 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg 1293050007 Q * cuba33ci Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293050113 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:215:f2ff:fee0:9872 1293050181 Q * petzsch1 Quit: Leaving. 1293050459 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149 1293050726 N * ensc Guest2047 1293050736 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p5DF2C475.dip.t-dialin.net 1293051119 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF43A99.dip.t-dialin.net 1293051136 Q * Guest2047 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293051792 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1293051797 M * Bertl back now ... 1293051963 M * hparker Bertl: About my query from a couple of days ago regarding KVM networking, the easiest option I can find is to migrate them to 2 different KVM guests, one with NAT and the other bridged (I have one vserver with masqueraded and proxy arp'd guests) 1293052062 M * Bertl can't remember the details ... so might be the best chocie 1293052065 M * Bertl *choice 1293052146 M * hparker Migrating from a bare metal vserver with 2 guests with real IPs using proxy arp and several others being masqueraded on one 1293052168 M * Bertl not sure why you move to a full virtualization though ... or are you migrating the host? 1293052176 M * hparker Migrating 1293052199 M * hparker Old hardware, time to retire before I have to :P 1293052230 M * Bertl so why not just move the guests? 1293052266 M * hparker Well, kind of the same reason I went with vserver, hardware abstraction, easy migration, etc 1293052323 M * hparker Though I may end up running vserver along side KVM, I need KVM for other things 1293052403 M * hparker And it also pushes me to learn more about KVM ;) 1293052445 M * Bertl well, kind of defeating the purpose, if you already have Linux-VServer guests, and just need to 'move' them from one amchine to the other 1293052453 M * Bertl *machine 1293052490 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection 1293052525 M * hparker Might be.. I guess part of it is a learning experience 1293052581 M * Bertl if it makes you happy :) 1293052592 M * hparker I just figured with it running in KVM and the guests on a separate partition it'd make kernel updates and such easier... Heh, I'm still running .22 1293052644 M * Bertl you defeat most of the sharing benefits and add another layer of abstraction and thus further performance hits 1293052686 M * Bertl you also reduce the admininstative access, as you cannot 'reach' the guests that easily 1293052692 M * hparker Yeah, lightly loaded guests though.. Busiest one is my MTA and it's < 2k messages a day 1293052703 M * hparker ?? 1293052723 M * hparker Hpw does it lessen my ability to reach them? 1293052730 M * Bertl so I basically fail to see the benefit, but as I said, if it makes you happy, so be it ... 1293052730 M * hparker How* 1293052760 M * Bertl well, a guest on host is directly accessible, a guest in a kvm host needs to accessed from within the kvm 1293052780 M * hparker Right 1293052808 M * hparker Maybe I'll put them on the server and play with upgrades in KVM... Does sound a lot easier 1293052848 M * hparker Thanks for the kick in the arse ;) 1293052875 M * Bertl your plan is to test kernel upgrades or what? 1293052930 M * hparker Yeah... Have the guests on their own partition, vserver in KVM, test an upgrade/change/whatever in another KVM guest, then just shut down the original and bring up the new one 1293052959 M * Bertl are we talking about 'host' or 'guest' updates/upgrades? 1293052974 M * hparker vserver host in a KVM guest 1293053005 M * Bertl forget the KVM for a minute, it seems to be an artificially added komponent 1293053009 M * Bertl *component 1293053013 M * hparker Ok 1293053027 M * Bertl you want to upgrade to a newer host kernel, yes? 1293053036 M * Bertl (and test that beforehand) 1293053043 M * hparker Right now I'm still running .22 because I've not had anywhere to learn the new cgroup stuff 1293053071 M * Bertl okay, and you do not have a test system at hand, right? 1293053091 M * hparker Not till now, which is the new hardware 1293053111 M * Bertl i.e. you have new/unused hardware available right now? 1293053111 Q * petzsch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1293053132 M * hparker Right, the one I'm installing KVM on 1293053148 M * Bertl and you also have the old server which works 'fine' atm? 1293053180 M * hparker yes, the old one 1293053196 A * hparker thinks he sees where Bertl is going with this 1293053209 M * Bertl so why not simply install a recent (2.6.36+) kernel on the new machine, rsync over one of the guests and test with it 1293053226 M * Bertl you can remove/add the IPs on the host easily to switch between them 1293053258 M * hparker heh.. That's what I've been doing in a KVM guest... But you've convinced em to run vserver on the host along side KVM, not within it 1293053268 M * Bertl especially if you are unexperienced with kvm, this is probably way easier than setting up complicated kvm scenarios 1293053282 M * hparker yeah 1293053428 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com 1293055402 Q * hijacker_ Quit: Leaving 1293055901 P * orzel Konversation terminated! 1293055920 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1293056243 J * fnord_ fnord@c-76-30-50-71.hsd1.tx.comcast.net 1293056243 Q * fnord Read error: Connection reset by peer