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1291613284 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1291613289 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1291627599 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149
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1291629243 M * disposable how sensible is it to run debian guests on ubuntu 10.04 base server? (i prefer the long term support for base server) should i expect any kernel compatibility issues? 
1291629270 M * disposable i would run debian squeeze guests.
1291629600 M * arekm Bertl_zZ: containers question. Is that possible to have daemon (apache for example) that has some of it's childs in separate containers? So its child would be able to communicate with master process etc
1291630553 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc6-aztw22-2-0-cust100.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
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1291641003 J * hijacker ~hijacker@213.91.163.5
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1291642464 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1291642470 M * Bertl morning folks!
1291642492 M * Bertl disposable: I don't understand the question ...
1291642506 M * hijacker afternoon
1291642517 M * Bertl arekm: depends on what you consider 'container'
1291642732 M * arekm Bertl: some new namespaces for child processes
1291643014 M * Bertl as long as the parent is running on the host or the child processes unshare guest spaces it will work fine
1291643033 M * Bertl note that certain spaces need to be shared to allow certain kinds of communications
1291643314 J * FireEgl FireEgl@2001:470:e056:9:3034:4d54:6656:a1fd
1291644283 J * wibble wibble@vortex.ukshells.co.uk
1291645439 J * alpha_one_x86 ~kvirc@144.31.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es
1291645543 M * alpha_one_x86 Hello, how I can see memory used by one vserver?
1291645595 M * Bertl vserver-stat, via /proc/virtual/*/limits or via cgroups ... depending on your kernel
1291645616 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1291645660 Q * manana Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1291645707 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149
1291646298 M * alpha_one_x86 thanks
1291646299 Q * alpha_one_x86 Quit: KVIrc Equilibrium 4.1.1, revision: 5124, sources date: 20101020, built on: 2010-11-10 20:25:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/
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1291647617 M * disposable Bertl: it's a generic question. can ubuntu 10.04 be used as a drop in replacement for debian squeeze base server? (squeeze is still getting significant package upgrades, which i want to avoid on base servers)
1291647645 M * pmjdebruijn I'd run Ubuntu 10.04 LTS anyhow :)
1291647664 M * pmjdebruijn in most cases that is
1291647666 M * daniel_hozac i wouldn't put Ubuntu anywhere near Linux-VServer...
1291647677 M * pmjdebruijn huh?
1291647682 M * pmjdebruijn because of the init?
1291647688 M * daniel_hozac because nobody maintains it.
1291647695 M * pmjdebruijn ah :(
1291647706 M * pmjdebruijn that's a valid reason :)
1291647737 M * pmjdebruijn we're not running any ubuntu vservers yet :)
1291647751 M * pmjdebruijn still need to switch to squeeze too
1291647761 M * pmjdebruijn most of our non-vservers farm has long been migrated to 10.04lts
1291647766 M * disposable daniel_hozac: nobody maintains what? ubuntu vserver kernel or ubuntu in general? 
1291647804 M * pmjdebruijn ubuntu in general is well maintained, don't worry about that :p
1291647812 M * pmjdebruijn kernels you probably have to roll yourself anyhow
1291647829 M * pmjdebruijn so I'm guessing the problem is with the userland tools/ubuntu init (upstart) ?
1291647829 M * Bertl well, I don't think there is a problem with any distro
1291647852 M * Bertl what you usually want is to build your own custom kernel and util-vserver ... then you should be fine
1291647895 M * daniel_hozac there is no support for Ubuntu guests.
1291647896 M * Bertl but if you want to lean back and rely on ubuntu packages, better forget it :)
1291647912 M * disposable Bertl: thank you.
1291647917 M * daniel_hozac you will need to figure it out yourself.
1291647925 M * Bertl I think the question addressed the host, not the guest, no?
1291647929 M * disposable daniel_hozac: thank you. i don't need ubuntu guests, only hosts.
1291648860 M * disposable pmjdebruijn: i'm surprised you find ubuntu well maintained. i had to jump through hoops just to install a mysql cluster today. megaraid_sas support BROKEN, mysql-cluster-server BROKEN, mysql-client ssl support BROKEN. they're all bugs created by package maintainers, trivial to fix, with bug reports months old... yet nobody's bothered. sorry for being off topic
1291649375 M * Bertl yeah, ubuntu doesn't need maintainers, they have M.S. and launchpad where they can 'forget' about all the bugs :)
1291649543 M * Bertl but OTOH, they are sponsoring/paying a lot of creative folks around the world ... 
1291650424 J * oli ~oli@62.152.161.117
1291650437 M * oli hi all
1291650456 M * oli i'm coming in because of the IPV4/6 loopback issue
1291650707 Q * FloodServ Service unloaded
1291650776 J * FloodServ services@services.oftc.net
1291650847 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1291650918 M * pmjdebruijn disposable: megaraid broken on an LTS release?
1291650955 M * pmjdebruijn disposable: any links to those bugs reports?
1291651588 M * disposable pmjdebruijn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/546091 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-cluster-7.0/+bug/579732 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-5.1/+bug/593406 
1291651735 M * pmjdebruijn tnx
1291651792 M * pmjdebruijn disposable: so megaraid isn't borken, the new controller just aren't supported yet
1291651905 M * disposable pmjdebruijn: megaraid_sas.ko is broken in ubuntu kernel. ignore the last link, that's not the one i meant, i just cant find the right one in my browser history anymore. this is getting seriously off topic, /msg me if you need
1291651932 M * pmjdebruijn the cluster problem is pretty nasty indeed btw :)
1291653217 J * alpha_one_x86 ~kvirc@144.31.17.95.dynamic.jazztel.es
1291653247 M * alpha_one_x86 Re
1291653263 M * alpha_one_x86 I have host with load at 150
1291653277 M * alpha_one_x86 with 99% of wa into "top"
1291653318 M * alpha_one_x86 how isolate the vserver which use this memroy (seen be swap usage)?
1291653332 M * alpha_one_x86 and how read the limits file?
1291653339 M * Bertl sounds like your (disk) I/O causes trashing
1291653365 M * Bertl what kernel/patch do you use
1291653400 M * alpha_one_x86 2.6.32 the lastest patch/kernel of this branch
1291653437 M * Bertl with memory/swap cgroups enabled?
1291653466 M * alpha_one_x86 no
1291653495 M * alpha_one_x86 I have access to /proc/virtual/*/limit -> but I don't know how read it
1291653531 M * Bertl not that complicated, columns are:
1291653556 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1291653573 M * Bertl limit name, observed min, observed max, soft limit, hard limit, hard limit hits
1291653589 M * Bertl the interesting rows regarding memory usage are:
1291653599 P * kir 
1291653611 M * alpha_one_x86 I don't know what it the row
1291653679 M * Bertl VM: virtual memory, VML: virtual memory locked, RSS: resident set size, ANON: anonymous memory, RMAP: mapped memory
1291653739 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:215:f2ff:fee0:9872
1291653765 M * alpha_one_x86 I don't understand what is this kind of memory
1291653791 M * alpha_one_x86 exprimed in page (then 4KiB in my case)
1291653832 M * Bertl the virtual memory is more sum of address space
1291653849 M * Bertl the resident set size is the actually used up 'ram'
1291653875 M * Bertl anonymous memory is memory which isn't backed by a file
1291653897 M * alpha_one_x86 I see vserver use 2459135 then it's 2459135*4*1024 bytes of meory?
1291654334 M * alpha_one_x86 yes?
1291654398 M * Bertl yes
1291654465 M * alpha_one_x86 ok, greate thanks to your help, I have grave problem, I need solve it quickly
1291654490 M * Bertl np
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1291655423 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:a18:1:1402:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1291655902 Q * tam_ Read error: Operation timed out
1291655966 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com
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1291657339 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-25-19-139.client.mchsi.com
1291657710 J * Snow-Man ~sfrost@tamriel.snowman.net
1291658015 M * Bertl FireEgl: are those goons on #ipv6 always like this?
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1291660930 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: hmm?
1291661090 M * Bertl ah, not really related, just visited there to ask a few questions and all I got was 'why do you want that? why do you think that you need that? etc'
1291661115 M * daniel_hozac did you get eventually get your questions answered?
1291661181 M * Bertl after answering many many questions, they basically said, we don't know, we don't care ...
1291661196 M * daniel_hozac lol
1291661205 M * daniel_hozac what were the questions?
1291661264 M * Bertl I was asking if there are equivalents to 127.x.y.z with x,y != 0 in IPv6 and how 127.x.y.z mapped in IPv6 is to be handled (same for the IPv6 compatible range)
1291661295 M * daniel_hozac as far as i know, there is no range in IPv6.
1291661298 M * daniel_hozac it's just ::1/128
1291661318 M * Bertl yep, figured that from wikipedia, but thanks :)
1291661333 Q * PowerKe Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1291661347 M * daniel_hozac hehe, okay.
1291661369 M * daniel_hozac for the mapping, you can probably use anything in the ::/64 range though.
1291661400 M * Bertl yes, I was thinking of ::<ip> for a first test, and maybe one of the link local for the final
1291661464 M * daniel_hozac okay
1291661879 M * fb Bertl: link local could result in clashes
1291661970 M * daniel_hozac on lo? i would think not.
1291661982 M * fb I'm not soure about its current status, but how about ::127.x.y.z?
1291662059 Q * alpha_one_x86 Quit: KVIrc Equilibrium 4.1.1, revision: 5124, sources date: 20101020, built on: 2010-11-10 20:25:08 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/
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1291665187 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1291665432 J * PowerKe ~tom@94-226-192-17.access.telenet.be
1291665802 M * arosen  Hello when I run the following command to create a vserver, " vvserver web build -m debootstrap --context 42 --hostname web --interface eth0:130.127.62.4/27 -- -d lenny -m http://ftp.debian.org/debian" It's getting a 404 error saying it can't download http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.8_all.deb
1291665825 J * cuba33ci_ ~cuba33ci@111-240-212-92.dynamic.hinet.net
1291665826 M * arosen It should be http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.26_all.deb not 1.0.8 like it is trying to get. 
1291665910 M * Bertl what is your util-vserver version?
1291665934 M * arosen Bertl: 0.30.215-r3
1291665959 M * Bertl well, that's about two or three years old, so what do you expect :)
1291665977 M * arosen Is ~0.30.216_pre2910 any better? 
1291665989 M * Bertl a lot newer, but not the latest
1291666011 M * Bertl definitely a better choice if you are using a kernel newer than 2.6.18
1291666017 M * arosen Bertl: What would you recommend for a gentoo user. I like to get everything out of portage. 
1291666033 M * arosen Bertl: I got 2.3.0.36.32 out of portage 
1291666070 M * Bertl what base kernel version?
1291666101 M * arosen  2.6.35-vs2.3.0.36.32-gentoo
1291666117 M * Bertl so pre2910 might work
1291666168 M * arosen I'll give it a shot. I'm building it now. 
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1291666376 M * arosen Bertl: Yea that didn't fix it. I'ts trying to get debootstrap_1.0.20_all.deb not .26 which is better
1291666432 M * arosen I'll get the one from the website and see if that fixes it. I really want to run a vserver of ubuntu though instead of debian. 
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1291666894 M * arosen Err the newest version util-vserver-0.30.215 tries to get 1.0.8 as well. :'< 
1291666925 M * daniel_hozac 0.30.215 is an old version.
1291666933 M * daniel_hozac so "newest" doesn't really have any meaning there.
1291666935 M * Bertl wells as I said, 0.30.215 is 2-3 years old, the current debian debootstrap was not even planned back then
1291666970 J * niki ~niki@94.145.207.11
1291666999 M * daniel_hozac arosen: so, why don't you just do what the message tells you?
1291667043 M * arosen Yea I did but now it has problems saying chroot-sh: open("/etc/apt/sources.list"): No such file or directory
1291667056 M * arosen I'm running gentoo as the base OS should that be a problem? 
1291667086 M * daniel_hozac no.
1291667094 M * daniel_hozac that just means it was unable to do anything.
1291667101 M * daniel_hozac are you specifying a valid arch and dist?
1291667303 M * arosen daniel_hozac: I'm running, " vserver web build -m debootstrap --context 42 --hostname web --interface eth0:130.127.62.4/27 -- -d lucid -m http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/"
1291667312 M * arosen Though for some reason its trying to go to ftp.debian.org 
1291667385 M * daniel_hozac you probably want to add -- --arch amd64
1291667398 M * _Shiva_ fb: actually it's: ::ffff:127.x.y.z/96 ;-) ::127.x.y.z/96 is obsoleted by RFC 4291 (Feb 2006) ;-)
1291667482 M * arosen daniel_hozac: ah i think that may have fixed it. Thanks!
1291668901 M * arosen Ok I got my vserver of ubuntu 10.04 running on gentoo but if i enter and exit the vserver it seem that the vserver sometimes dies? Any idea whats going on here? 
1291669125 M * daniel_hozac probably an incorrectly configured guest.
1291669156 M * daniel_hozac since Ubuntu guests don't get fixed by util-vserver, you have to do that yourself.
1291669190 M * arosen daniel_hozac: why what would need to change? 
1291669248 M * daniel_hozac upstart
1291669580 M * arosen daniel_hozac: So if i follow this page this might help http://linux-vserver.org/Upstart_issues ? 
1291669616 M * daniel_hozac maybe.
1291669761 M * arosen daniel_hozac: or should I just use debian lenny over ubuntu 
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