1286496127 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1286500882 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1286506925 Q * cehteh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286506945 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org 1286516316 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286516795 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286517415 J * ncopa ~ncopa@3.203.202.84.customer.cdi.no 1286517918 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@2001:470:e056:1:ac64:5e43:1e58:83c6 1286518239 J * ghislain ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com 1286518691 J * ntrs ~ntrs@nimitz.rosehosting.com 1286518785 M * hijacker ard and daniel_hozac - it wouldn't compile on 2 machines here 1286518795 M * hijacker thus i compiled 2.6.34.7 ;-) 1286519308 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286519461 Q * fback Quit: Reconnecting 1286519468 J * fback fback@2a01:1d8:9000:50::2 1286520214 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1286520218 M * Bertl morning folks! 1286520225 M * hijacker morning 1286520229 M * Bertl hijacker: what would not compile? 1286520250 M * hijacker 2.6.35.7 with vs2.3.0.36.32 1286520262 M * hijacker i tried for a new machine to do the reiserfs stuff on 1286520265 M * hijacker and failed twice 1286520271 M * Bertl do you have a config or the error messages? 1286520281 M * hijacker however 2.6.34.7 compiled 1286520287 M * hijacker i might reproduce it 1286520302 M * Bertl would be appreciated 1286520505 M * hijacker http://paste.linux-vserver.org/18089 1286520510 M * hijacker there you go Bertl 1286520526 Q * micah Remote host closed the connection 1286520527 J * micah ~micah@micah.riseup.net 1286520666 M * hijacker Bertl, as for the reiserfs tests 1286520674 M * hijacker can i install util-vserver from the debian repo 1286520681 M * hijacker or do you prefer to compile it from source? 1286520703 M * Bertl I'd prefer a recent one, if you find one from the debian repo, that is fine with me 1286520762 M * Bertl i.e. something like 0.30.216-pre2910 or later 1286520832 M * hijacker np, i'll get it from source then 1286520864 M * hijacker and the kernel is 2.6.34.7 with 2.3.0.36.30.4 patch 1286520932 M * Bertl okay, but for testing/patches we need 2.6.35.7 and the appropriate patch 1286520955 M * Bertl i.e. that is where development happens atm 1286521501 M * Bertl don't worry, if something doesn't compile, we'll figure out what and fix it in one way or the other 1286521678 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1286521727 M * hijacker alright 1286521741 M * hijacker well, then i will have to retry with the latest? 1286521751 M * hijacker which does not compile here 1286521946 M * Bertl as I said, np, upload your config and the error messages you get 1286521964 M * Bertl I'll look into that and we'll figure out what goes wrong 1286522109 M * hijacker alright 1286522126 M * hijacker it was not much of a custom .config, as I used make defconfig 1286522142 M * hijacker and then silentoldconfig 1286522316 M * Bertl interesting combination 1286522629 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@213.238.45.2 1286522643 Q * ser Remote host closed the connection 1286522647 J * ser ~ser@house.metalab.unc.edu 1286522822 J * thierryp ~thierry@zankai.inria.fr 1286522864 M * hijacker aye, dirty way of just trying to get a vanilla kernel working inside a virtual machine 1286522872 M * hijacker btw without the vserver patch it compiles 1286522892 M * hijacker so do you still want to have a look at that config file? 1286522906 M * Bertl yes, definitely 1286522921 M * Bertl and of course, on the compile errors you get 1286522930 M * Bertl (upload both somewhere) 1286523107 M * hijacker http://www.oldum.net/~hijacker/vserver/.config 1286523144 M * hijacker http://paste.linux-vserver.org/18089 1286523159 M * hijacker the second is the output of make bzImage 1286523402 P * kir Leaving. 1286524050 J * jakob ~jakob@87.51.1.143 1286524097 M * jakob Hi I have 2 questions I hope someone can answer 1286524204 M * jakob 1. I have been using ubuntu for a long time and have become kind of used to that. It seems like ubuntu doesn't want to support linux-vserver officially - ie. upstart on guests does not play well with vserver 1286524262 M * jakob Ubuntu writes that the official virtualization on ubuntu is KVM, can someone tell me what the main difference between kvm and linux-vserver is? 1286524393 M * Bertl kvm is heavy, you have a kernel running for each virtual machine, together will all virtual hardware driven by that kernel 1286524418 M * Bertl there is no real sharing and the disk image contains a filesystem 1286524448 M * Bertl in Linux-VServer we use lightweigth isolation, which allows a great deal of resource sharing 1286524458 M * Bertl there is no measureable overhead 1286524505 M * Bertl the result is, you can run 500 guests on a host system without being limited by disk or memory resources 1286524643 M * Bertl btw, it is kind of silly to compare kvm with Linux-VServer as it is a completely different way of virtualization 1286524703 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286524755 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com 1286524843 M * geb if i can try to complete: vserver only allows to run linux guest, that are sometimes in some way limited (unable to play with mount, or with network stuffs). But on the same box, you could put 2,3 and maybe 4 times more vservers guests than kvm ones :) 1286525286 M * Bertl hijacker: okay, the reason that this shows up is that you disabled cgroups, but I'll fix it for that case as well 1286525358 M * hijacker cool 1286525361 M * hijacker thanks Bertl 1286525375 M * hijacker defconfig comes with cgroups disabled then 1286525461 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47A5D.dip.t-dialin.net 1286525537 M * hijacker however in linux-2.6.35.7/arch/x86/configs/i386_defconfig I can see CGROUPS enabled? 1286525659 M * Bertl # CONFIG_CGROUPS is not set 1286525667 M * Bertl (from your config) 1286525685 Q * Rockj Read error: Connection reset by peer 1286525713 M * Bertl but it is a minor bug in Linux-VServer, so it will be fixed shortly 1286526003 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc6-aztw22-2-0-cust100.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com 1286526299 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286526509 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47A5D.dip.t-dialin.net 1286526558 M * Bertl hijacker: uploading a new patch now, please check with your .config 1286526593 M * hijacker cool 1286526597 M * hijacker thanks Bertl 1286526600 M * Bertl np 1286526619 M * hijacker will try again shortly 1286526657 M * Bertl will take a minute or so to complete the upload, the uplink is not very fast today :) 1286526848 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: then maybe _now_ it's time to use bzip'ed diffs anyway :-) 1286526897 M * hijacker alright, just let me know when it completes 1286526999 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1286527036 J * Piet ~Piet__@7GDAAAIFT.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1286527206 Q * arekm Quit: leaving 1286527399 J * arekm arekm@carme.pld-linux.org 1286527575 M * Bertl _Shiva_: wouldn't speed up the process, as the files are transferred compressed anyway 1286527604 M * Bertl but yes, I have planned for some time now to provide onthefly compression on that server 1286528016 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286528621 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com 1286529095 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286529422 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286529447 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection 1286529623 Q * ghislain synthon.oftc.net weber.oftc.net 1286529623 Q * Guest1886 synthon.oftc.net weber.oftc.net 1286529639 J * ghislain ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com 1286529835 M * jakob Bertl: thanks - for the response, this is kind of what I was expecting :-) 1286529871 M * jakob I prefer running vserver, but I can't really make upstart work 1286529923 M * jakob what is the most common used distro with vserver? 1286529983 M * Bertl you know that we have a wiki page dedicated to upstart? 1286530000 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Upstart_issues 1286530044 M * Bertl also, most guests use sysv based distros, mainly because there is no need for 90% of the startup stuff and the 5 services to be started are perfectly fine with sysv 1286530094 M * Bertl bu note: a bunch of folks (some will be around here) use ubuntu inside their guests as well 1286530152 M * jakob Bertl: I have tried thata wiki-page, but you don't get very far before running into problems. the link http://static.thedudes.org/initpost is dead 1286530165 M * jakob actually first line in the wiki page 1286530211 M * jakob But don't those folks need to have upstart working? 1286530372 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47A5D.dip.t-dialin.net 1286530590 M * Bertl yes, I'm pretty sure it does run 1286530619 M * Bertl it shouldn't be too hard either, the only problem is the bad upstart documentation and the lack of proper upstart debugging 1286530648 M * Bertl IIRC, the first step is to provide a real console, this way upstart will at least log issues somewhere 1286530733 M * jakob ok, do you know anyone who might have the missing initpost file? 1286530981 M * ghislain hello there 1286531066 M * ghislain one little thing to ask :) when i do a vserver xx enter then ps aux i got a message in the console vxW: [â–’psâ–’,11477:#10249|10249|10249] did lookup hidden devpts:ffff88070c953900[#0,3] â–’/dev/pts/0â–’. 1286531082 M * Bertl not unexpected 1286531107 M * ghislain is there any configuration done wrong or is it normal ? 1286531129 M * Bertl no, you bring your pts into the guest, which is not allowed to access it 1286531151 M * Bertl you can avoid that by e.g. using ssh to enter the guest 1286531172 M * Bertl (or simply by allocating a new pts) 1286531201 M * fback huh 1286531211 M * fback what a nice typo in a mail greetings 1286531215 M * ghislain ok i was thinking this was something along those lines 1286531221 M * fback Dear -> Dead 1286531232 M * Bertl :) 1286531249 M * ghislain perhaps less a problem than deer 1286531252 M * Bertl jakob: no, sorry, not really using ubuntu here 1286531300 M * Bertl but the initpost script just automates the setup, and if the ubuntu folks had submitted a proper version to util-vserver, it would already be included 1286531310 M * fback ghislain: on a standard qwerty keyboard a is quite apart from e but d and e are close to each other :) 1286531317 M * Bertl (you might consider doing that in the future) 1286531341 M * jakob Bertl: yes they should. 1286531347 M * fback and spellchecker won't help there :) 1286531377 M * ghislain fback: yes, but no moose was injured during the vserver installation (monty pyhton's spotted!) 1286531475 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com 1286532286 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286532735 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1286535939 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1286536092 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286536379 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@213.238.45.2 1286536908 J * matti matti@acrux.romke.net 1286538751 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc6-aztw22-2-0-cust100.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com 1286538812 Q * BenG 1286539280 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47A5D.dip.t-dialin.net 1286539590 Q * jakob Remote host closed the connection 1286540065 J * ntrs ~ntrs@nimitz.rosehosting.com 1286541065 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.31.159 1286541717 M * hijacker hey Bertl 1286541720 M * hijacker patch-2.6.35.7-vs2.3.0.36.33.diff 08-Oct-2010 08:34 830K 1286541725 M * hijacker is this the new version ? 1286542181 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286544004 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1286544060 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286544342 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286545750 J * ntrs ~ntrs@nimitz.rosehosting.com 1286546333 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149 1286548514 Q * kir Quit: Leaving. 1286548617 Q * manana Remote host closed the connection 1286549077 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149 1286549178 J * derjohn_foo aj@88.128.217.102 1286549183 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1286550237 Q * ncopa Quit: Ex-Chat 1286551906 M * Bertl hijacker: yes, it fixes the compile issue 1286551926 M * Bertl (sorry for the delay) 1286552620 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286553195 J * derjohn_foo aj@tmo-086-178.customers.d1-online.com 1286554215 M * _Shiva_ hmm - what process recieves the SIGSTOP when issuing a Ctrl-z during "vserver .. build .." ..? ;-) 1286554283 M * Bertl probable depends on when you press it :) 1286554305 A * _Shiva_ sending SIGCONT to all processes in the subtree of vspace... 1286554323 M * _Shiva_ ah - running again ;-) 1286554380 M * _Shiva_ actually, Ctrl-z _did_ stop some process, but did not give me a shell.. 1286554414 M * _Shiva_ so just issuing a "fg" is that (missing) shell was not possible ;-) 1286554442 M * Bertl but luckily you found SIGCONT :) 1286554505 M * _Shiva_ yeah - knowing about signals is soemtimes quite useful ;-) 1286554703 M * _Shiva_ may I put any file in /etc/vservers// - like i.e "README" - to document how this particular guest has been created? or will util-vserver complain/crash/whatever? 1286554766 M * Bertl I guess it won't complain unless it is a known config option/path 1286555191 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@201.174.32.227 1286555738 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286555800 J * click_ click@ti0127a340-0999.bb.online.no 1286556032 Q * click Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286556158 N * click_ click 1286556359 J * Piet ~Piet__@7GDAAAIQV.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1286556505 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-92-39.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr 1286557496 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-188-103-061-031.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286558525 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated! 1286560110 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286560230 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-188-103-061-031.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286560360 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286562861 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving. 1286565474 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:a18:1:1402:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1286566672 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1286566729 J * Piet ~Piet__@7GDAAAIVY.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1286566778 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-188-103-061-031.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286567733 J * petzsch1 ~markus@dslb-094-222-176-193.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286567983 Q * petzsch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286568276 Q * petzsch1 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286568394 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-092-078-148-191.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286569303 J * petzsch1 ~markus@dslb-092-078-148-191.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286569685 Q * petzsch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286570938 Q * petzsch1 Quit: Leaving. 1286571435 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-094-222-076-245.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286571695 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg 1286572716 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286573013 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1286573027 Q * fback Quit: Reconnecting 1286573031 J * fback fback@2a01:1d8:9000:50::2 1286573032 Q * ghislain Quit: Leaving. 1286573463 Q * manana Remote host closed the connection 1286573559 J * petzsch1 ~markus@dslb-092-078-232-099.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286573868 Q * petzsch Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1286574205 Q * petzsch1 Quit: Leaving. 1286575890 Q * imcsk8 Quit: Leaving 1286577465 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-092-078-232-099.pools.arcor-ip.net 1286577502 Q * pmjdebruijn Quit: leaving 1286577507 J * pmjdebruijn pascal@jester.pcode.nl 1286577742 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! 1286577746 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1286579385 Q * hijacker_ Quit: Leaving 1286580352 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1286580632 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving.