1282781385 M * fLoo dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.35.3-coresec not in control info
1282781388 M * fLoo any suggestions ?
1282781687 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection
1282782621 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@201.174.32.227
1282783261 Q * manana Read error: Connection reset by peer
1282785415 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1282786207 M * fLoo ok
1282786212 M * fLoo localversion doesnt work atm
1282786235 M * fLoo when appending localversion to a kernel debian make-kpkg cant buildit
1282786238 M * fLoo for whatever reason
1282786250 M * fLoo Linux hermine 2.6.35.3-vs2.3.0.36.31 #2 SMP Thu Aug 26 02:26:03 CEST 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
1282786253 M * fLoo without it works fine
1282786678 Q * uebera|| Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1282787315 J * uebera|| ~user@subjektzentrisch.de
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1282793453 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@201.144.130.18
1282793465 Q * imcsk8 
1282798688 J * padde ~padde@patrick-nagel.net
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1282799406 J * padde ~padde@patrick-nagel.net
1282800577 Q * Yellowcap Remote host closed the connection
1282800591 J * Yellowcap ~AlexBurns@ip-95-223-36-117.unitymediagroup.de
1282800836 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.248.163.1
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1282802441 J * dna ~dna@76-198-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1282802459 J * ncopa ~ncopa@180.40.189.109.customer.cdi.no
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1282806551 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.28.1.171
1282806600 J * quasisane ~sanep@pool-71-161-71-222.cncdnh.east.myfairpoint.net
1282807126 J * dna ~dna@76-198-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1282807275 J * mnemoc ~amery@chewbacca.easy-cloud.net
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1282809274 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1282809799 J * sharkjaw ~gab@90.149.128.29
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1282815348 J * Walex ~Walex@o1.phyip3.dur.ac.uk
1282815499 J * glen ~glen@scratchy.delfi.ee
1282815505 M * glen hey
1282815520 M * glen can /proc/stat contain in boottime time of guest nor host?
1282815532 M * glen as i currently noticed it contains host boot time, not guest
1282816732 M * glen ah, fine, /proc/uptime shows uptime for guest, i'll use that
1282816768 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF46A9D.dip.t-dialin.net
1282817165 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.248.163.1
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1282818086 J * Hunger ~Hunger@Hunger.hu
1282818650 Q * petzsch Read error: Connection reset by peer
1282819751 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF46A9D.dip.t-dialin.net
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1282822753 J * karasz ~karasz@chewbacca.easy-cloud.net
1282823952 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149
1282825489 Q * manana Read error: Connection reset by peer
1282825672 M * Yellowcap i need a tun/tap device howto for guests
1282825813 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149
1282825897 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.28.1.171
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1282829272 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF46A9D.dip.t-dialin.net
1282829400 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1282830381 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr
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1282830535 J * Chlorek ~cokolwiek@c.sed.pl
1282832272 J * janezek ~janezek@89-212-22-34.static.t-2.net
1282832290 M * janezek hi
1282832297 M * janezek can someone point me in the right direction? 
1282832312 M * pmjdebruijn for what?
1282832320 M * janezek i am looking info for bind-ing port in vps to ::22 etc
1282832330 M * pmjdebruijn binding port?
1282832333 M * pmjdebruijn please explain
1282832532 M * janezek i want to install zimbra on Vserver VPS
1282832538 M * janezek acording to the zimbra wiki
1282832540 M * janezek Since Vserver version 2.2 or so, default behaviour for interpreting 127.0.0.1 by a vserver has been to use the IP in /etc/vservers/vservername/interfaces/0/ip instead. This means a daemon binding to localhost according to /etc/hosts of 127.0.0.1 will instead bind to, say, an external IP address of 1.2.3.4 for example. 
1282832680 M * janezek zimbra has got a lot of configs, and i can fix them all, but after every update, the thing goes back to using "localhost:10024" or "127.0.0.1:10024"
1282832855 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1282832861 M * Bertl morning folks!
1282832909 M * Bertl janezek: get a recent kernel and use the loopback isolation feature
1282832929 M * Bertl (make sure to disable single IP special casing if configured to happen automatically)
1282832939 M * janezek wait wait
1282832945 M * janezek the thing is
1282832953 M * janezek its not my VPS
1282832977 M * janezek i will forward all to the admin
1282832989 M * janezek so please be very specific what to do
1282833021 M * janezek its got
1282833022 M * janezek  2.6.33-vs2.3.0.36.30.4-gentoo
1282833036 M * janezek recent enought?
1282833053 M * Bertl maybe get the 'admin' to join here would be easier, if s/he doesn't know how to configure stuff?
1282833086 M * ncopa hi
1282833090 M * ncopa are there any plans for a 2.6.32.20 patch?
1282833140 M * Bertl any specific reason, IIRC it is not really long term maintained or?
1282833196 M * janezek dont know if he will do it, is this enough info to forward him, what u wrote earlyer?
1282833248 M * ncopa 2.6.32.20 has some security fixes i think
1282833264 M * Bertl janezek: if he knows what he does, sure, but then he might have already done what's required
1282833321 M * Bertl ncopa: well, I have no problem updating it, but we now have 2.6.27/31/32/33/34/35 and 36rc
1282833341 M * janezek i didnt notify admin of my fail attempt of zimbra instalation, i thought it was my fault
1282833350 M * Bertl ncopa: and I'm not sure any kernel below .35 should be kept alive :)
1282833363 M * janezek i just saw this at zimbra wiki, and will forward the info from you to admin
1282833365 M * harry 2.6.32 should...
1282833371 M * ncopa Bertl: i understand. .32 is long time support
1282833377 M * janezek tnx for support
1282833377 M * harry since it's deemed "stable" and for use with distro's
1282833401 M * harry contains the "stable" grsec patches too
1282833409 M * ncopa Bertl: how much testing do you require before you release a new patch?
1282833410 M * harry and long time support
1282833420 M * harry ==> seems to be good arguments to keep supporting 2.6.32
1282833435 M * ncopa the .32.19 -> .32.20 changes was minimal
1282833452 M * ncopa i bet the .19 patch work on .32.20
1282833498 M * Bertl who does the long term support on 2.6.32?
1282833524 M * harry johny knoxville
1282833525 J * urbee ~urbee@93-103-199-233.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net
1282833526 M * urbee hoi
1282833546 M * janezek Bertl: urbee is the admin, could u advise him?
1282833600 M * Bertl sure, no problem, he should be around anyway
1282833607 M * ncopa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Maintenance
1282833621 M * ncopa Greg Kroah-Hartman
1282833662 M * ncopa http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1001.2/00858.html
1282833670 M * Bertl well, I have no idea why greg picked that piece of fine software to keep alive, but so be it :)
1282833688 M * Bertl i.e. expect updated patches
1282833697 M * ncopa thanks!
1282833716 M * ncopa i suppose we all owe you a beer now :)
1282833788 M * urbee umm?
1282833792 M * harry Bertl: in that view, you should totally abandon 2.6 kernels
1282833801 M * harry and linux kernels in general for that matter
1282833825 M * harry they are starting to windowsly bad...
1282833854 M * harry (asuming your comment was irony :))
1282833982 M * pmjdebruijn ncopa: 2.6.27 was the base for SLES 9 I think, and 2.6.32 will be the base for SLES 10, RHEL 6, Ubuntu LTS, en Debian Squeeze
1282834030 M * janezek Bertl ?
1282834035 J * thierryp ~thierry@zankai.inria.fr
1282834048 M * Bertl janezek: ?
1282834060 M * Bertl ah, hey urbee!
1282834085 M * Bertl as far as I understood, janezek has problems with binding lo _and_ guest IPs inside a guest
1282834139 M * Bertl and he needs you to enable loopback isolation (if missing) and disable single IP special casing (if enabled) on his guest to make him happy
1282834177 M * Bertl harry: well, at least it looks like we can forget about the 2.6.27 soon :)
1282834231 M * harry true
1282834252 M * harry Bertl: maybe we should start porting vserver to minix! :)
1282834276 M * Bertl bsd could benefit a lot :)
1282834420 M * urbee Bertl: i know about the SINGLE_Ip but where is loopback isolation in kernel?
1282834582 M * Bertl what kernel do you use?
1282834589 M * urbee 2.6.33-vs2.3.0.36.30.4-gentoo
1282834601 M * Bertl then it is probably on already
1282834611 P * thierryp ciao folks
1282834616 M * urbee ok so i can just disable SINGLE_IP in nflags
1282834617 M * urbee and it should work
1282834618 M * Mr_Smoke ... seriously ? vserver version has 6 figures now ?
1282834631 M * Bertl urbee: http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags
1282834672 M * Bertl LBACK_REMAP, HIDE_NETIF and HIDE_LBACK is what you want
1282834691 M * urbee and single ip disabled?
1282834700 M * Bertl and ~SINGLE_IP  if the guest has a single IP besides the lback
1282834722 M * Bertl if it has more than one IP assigned, the single_ip will be disabled automatically
1282834734 M * urbee thx
1282834759 M * Bertl np
1282835169 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1282835333 M * fLoo Bertl ?
1282835353 M * fLoo you know why its impossible to append localversion to the kernel and then compile it ?
1282835368 M * fLoo under debian it tells me "not in control info" since kernel 2.6.35
1282835392 M * fLoo when i remove localversion (even with autocomplete enabled in kernel .config) it works
1282835399 M * Bertl did you try with a vanilla kernel?
1282835438 M * fLoo yes
1282835456 M * Bertl and with manual building, i.e. no debian mumbo-jumbo?
1282835481 M * fLoo didnt tested that
1282835486 M * fLoo i always build them using make-kpkg
1282835501 M * Bertl better check that first, it might be a 'debian' issue
1282835537 M * fLoo well
1282835540 M * fLoo its because of this : http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=d5eda75f3a6a08f5a3644764a88d288e62e7823d
1282835545 M * Alteisen seems like debian is getting an issue itself
1282835548 M * Alteisen ;-)
1282835560 M * fLoo this commit changes the way localversion is beeing implemented
1282835576 M * fLoo and since that commit has been submitted by linus it doesnt work anymore
1282835579 M * fLoo atleast not under lenny
1282835584 M * fLoo dont know about sid
1282835631 M * Alteisen the behaviour within squeeze would be interesting
1282835639 M * fLoo kinda, ya
1282835653 M * fLoo it was fun building kernels with debian over years
1282835661 M * fLoo but lately (during the last year) it become more and more ugly
1282835675 M * fLoo already thinking to change to centos after like 15 years with debian
1282835721 M * Bertl debian got kind of replaced by ubuntu (not that I see that as a big win :)
1282835751 M * Bertl and only the hard core debian folks (and of course developers/maintainers) stick to it
1282835771 M * fLoo i pretty much like the stability of debian
1282835787 M * DoberMann http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/the-debian-apocalipsys/ discussion-related link ;-)
1282835788 M * fLoo when squeeze will be out i'll give it one more try
1282835792 M * Alteisen yeah! it is even stable in its issues...
1282835794 M * Bertl note that I originally was a big fan of debian, as it supports (or at least supported) a bunch of weird architectures
1282835947 M * fLoo well
1282835951 M * fLoo any suggestions then ?
1282835955 M * fLoo is centos a good choice ?
1282835962 M * fLoo worked with fedora long long time ago
1282835984 M * fLoo i just need a stable, working, not messed up distro
1282835990 M * fLoo like debian was like 2 years ago
1282835995 M * Alteisen freebsd?
1282836005 M * fLoo i dont like bsd
1282836011 M * fLoo for whatever reason
1282836011 M * Alteisen arch linux?
1282836042 M * fLoo in a server enviroment ?
1282836052 M * fLoo not :)
1282836061 M * Alteisen do you need certified systems?
1282836063 M * DoberMann there's a gap to fill with a brand new distro ;-)
1282836092 M * Alteisen vserver linux!
1282836095 M * fLoo haha
1282836107 M * fLoo V-Linux
1282836122 M * Alteisen qubes 
1282836138 M * Alteisen but that is more desktop use
1282836174 M * Alteisen VMware ESXi is nice, if you have the appropriate hardware
1282836181 M * _Shiva_ fLoo: try building the kpkg using kernel-package_12.036_all.deb
1282836227 M * Bertl btw, 2.6.32.20 patch is up :)
1282836450 M * Bertl # uname -a
1282836451 M * Bertl Linux box 2.6.36-rc2-vs2.3.x-floo #5 SMP Thu Aug 26 18:24:10 CEST 2010 x86_64 unknown
1282836466 M * Bertl and LOCALVERSION seems to work just fine here
1282836579 M * fLoo mmh
1282836586 M * fLoo thanks for the new patch
1282836597 M * fLoo i used the old patch
1282836601 M * fLoo pretty easy to fix it
1282836602 M * fLoo :)
1282837095 M * fLoo Linux hermine 2.6.35.3-vs2.3.0.36.31 #2 SMP Thu Aug 26 02:26:03 CEST 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
1282837100 M * fLoo this is what i got
1282837179 M * fLoo good think that daniel_hozac fixed the vserver-stat issue
1282837183 M * fLoo pretty happy about that :)
1282837212 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving.
1282837235 M * Alteisen fLoo: do you name your computers by characters from Harry Potter?
1282837286 P * kir Leaving.
1282837339 M * fLoo lol
1282837341 M * fLoo no
1282837342 M * fLoo :D
1282837356 M * fLoo hermine is just my nas
1282837396 M * Alteisen i use animal names
1282837419 M * Alteisen gnu is the compile host
1282837481 M * Alteisen but in fact, naming computers by a weird naming scheme works only until a certain point
1282837528 M * Alteisen i just started mixing german and english names for my computers at home :-/
1282837585 M * Alteisen btw, "at home" is a good place to go now
1282837586 M * Alteisen cu
1282838025 Q * ncopa Quit: Ex-Chat
1282838767 Q * janezek 
1282839019 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1282839092 J * Piet ~Piet__@28IAABMO5.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1282841886 M * fLoo Bertl
1282841892 M * fLoo when do we get hard cpu scheduling
1282841894 M * fLoo for 2.6.x ?
1282843441 M * _Shiva_ fLoo: http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Cgroups#cgroup_and_CFS_based_CPU_hard_limiting_that_replaces_sched_hard
1282843748 M * Bertl I have to admit that I haven't verified that the latest kernel include one of the proposed hard limit schedulers
1282843941 M * Bertl it seems it is not, i.e. mainline didn't manage to decide which hard cpu scheduler to include yet (only half a year has passed :) so no hard cpu scheduling atm I guess
1282844074 M * fLoo thats why i am asking ;)
1282844080 M * fLoo i know that it has not yet been implemented
1282844103 M * fLoo cgroups work fine for soft scheduling
1282844130 M * fLoo means giving percentages to the guests like 10 %, 60 %, 30 % = 100 % cpu shared by all 3 guests
1282844162 M * fLoo but we defenitly need a hardlimit to be able to force certain vservers not mess up the node
1282844187 M * fLoo *definitely 
1282844202 M * fLoo *definetly :D
1282844218 M * Bertl well, you can always try one of the (probably outdated) proposals
1282844300 M * fLoo is there any roadmap by the vserver team ?
1282844329 M * Bertl basically we tested it, found it kind-of broken in some regard, but mostly working in general
1282844340 M * Bertl we are now waiting for mainline inclusion/decision
1282844365 M * Bertl once it is in mainline, it is automatically available for Linux-VServer
1282844473 M * Bertl but it won't hurt to bug the Linux Kernel folks :)
1282844487 M * fLoo :)
1282844522 M * Bertl the latest version I can see is the v5 CFS Hard limits from january
1282844543 M * fLoo pretty old
1282844603 M * Bertl well, it took half a year to get to this version too
1282845868 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF46A9D.dip.t-dialin.net
1282846640 Q * petzsch Read error: Connection reset by peer
1282847658 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1282848072 P * glen 
1282848235 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF46A9D.dip.t-dialin.net
1282848307 J * Piet ~Piet__@28IAABMTA.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1282849757 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1282849768 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.87.228
1282851677 M * Yellowcap i need help :) http://nopaste.info/a6e6e71d0a.html
1282851714 Q * petzsch Quit: Leaving.
1282851992 M * Bertl Yellowcap: well, exec format error looks like you are using the wrong binaries
1282852024 M * Bertl most likely 32bit on a 64bit machine without 32bit emulation or 64bit binaries on a 32bit machine?
1282852953 M * mnemoc what's the error when there are missing .so files?
1282853962 M * Bertl No such file or directory
1282854287 M * fLoo Bertl u use centos, correct ?
1282854299 M * Bertl nope, still with Mandriva
1282854473 M * _Shiva_ Bertl: deepest sympathy ;-)
1282857101 Q * yang Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1282857287 J * ktwilight ~keliew@91.176.38.219
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1282859433 J * arosen ~arosen@130.127.39.173
1282859487 M * arosen Hello, I installed vserver from apt-get install vserver but it seems like the kernel headers are not in the repo? 
1282859561 M * Bertl maybe, no idea what 'apt-get install vserver' actually installs
1282859639 M * arosen I think the problem is that my kernel is 2.6.32-bpo.2-vserver-amd64
1282859732 M * Bertl okay? and in what way is that bad?
1282859798 M * arosen It seems like they don't put the kernel source for the bpo kernels in the repo idk (i'll find it somewhere)
1282860093 M * arosen nvm it looks like they don't have a package for kernel source for this :(
1282860102 M * arosen http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/kernel/
1282860298 M * Bertl what exactly are you looking for?
1282860877 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1282861792 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
1282862670 M * fLoo arosen : simply go for an own kernel
1282862675 M * fLoo and own util-vserver
1282862716 M * fLoo arosen may i pm you please ?
1282863574 Q * thierryp Ping timeout: 480 seconds