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1276072589 J * icewolve 5341c032@ircip2.mibbit.com
1276072640 M * icewolve hy.
1276072692 M * icewolve i've got a problem with vserver + nfs4 ..   sshd doesnt get a correct id mapping (rpc.idmapd running in the root server)
1276072742 M * icewolve mapping does work for other processes though.
1276072756 M * icewolve ideas, hints ? ;)
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1276078667 M * sladen Bertl_zZ: interesting chat with the OpenVZ people here at Linuxtag
1276078901 M * raceme Guy-: well after many time tweaking i've got some results with upstart, ubuntu lucid and vserver
1276078925 M * raceme Guy-: i've got a working start sequence; but stop is hell
1276078956 M * icewolve upstarts works for me quite well on a simple vserver after editing rc-sysinig.conf
1276078964 M * icewolve s/g/t/
1276079066 M * raceme icewolve: interresting... what do you modify in it ?
1276079098 M * icewolve etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf -> "start on filesystem"
1276079115 M * icewolve this initializes the runlevel and gets rc.conf to start normally
1276079194 M * raceme icewolve: but you also made modifications from http://linux-vserver.org/Upstart_issues ?
1276079279 M * icewolve yes. initctl emit was hanging though...  i put a sleep 1 before it.  (but im not 100% sure this fixed the hanging, might be other files i edited)
1276079364 M * raceme icewolve: i found something interresting in a fix in vserver; concerning emit hanging... i'm testing...
1276079556 J * Janno Janno@server3.raumopol.de
1276079742 M * raceme icewolve: in fact I manage to start the lucid vserver without modifying /etc/init/rc-sysinit.conf with a tweaked /etc/init/vserver.conf
1276079766 M * raceme icewolve: do you manage to vserver <x> stop a vserver cleanly ?
1276080170 M * icewolve yup stop works too...  
1276080209 M * icewolve starting did work too for me without modiying rc-sysinit, but stop hung..   and the daemons in init.d were not started
1276080294 M * icewolve raceme: rc-sysinit  modifing should be needed because it depends on lo0 getting up, which won't happen
1276080469 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1276080482 M * Bertl morning folks!
1276080530 M * Bertl sladen: what did they say, and could we fix the mailing list archives? i.e. you seem to have changed IPs, what is the new one?
1276080546 M * raceme icewolve: same here about stopping
1276080549 M * raceme hello Bertl 
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1276081190 M * Janno hi, I'm having trouble with the memory usage after forking a process: the vserver does not seem to recognize that part of the memory is shared due to copy-on-write.. ps and free -m both report 10 times of what the actual memory consumption should be
1276081226 M * Janno free -m in the host system correctly reports the actual memory consumption
1276081251 M * Janno now, what happens if too many of these forks appear and the memory limit is reached even though it actually isn't?
1276081461 M * Bertl what kernel/patch/util-vserver version?
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1276082941 M * Janno kernel: 2.6.26-2-vserver-amd64, util-vserver: 0.30.216~r2772-6
1276083032 M * Bertl that is the known broken debian kernel, so I'd suggest updating to something more recent/working
1276083076 M * Bertl for this kernel version the behaviour is expected, and if you have a hard limit on the memory, once that is exhausted processes will be killed
1276083145 M * Janno oh, okay
1276083197 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian#Issues_with_the_current_2.6.26_Kernel
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1276085750 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1276085754 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
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1276088673 M * raceme is there a capabilities to allow creating device ? I don't find that ?
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1276090451 M * cehteh raceme: do you really want that? .. better precreate the device nodes from the host
1276090490 M * raceme cehteh: this is just what i read... for security reasons ?
1276090576 M * cehteh if the vserver has that capability then a hacker there could create arbitary device nodes ... including a raw block devices for the hdd's and spy and modify the filesystem on it, including elevating his privileges even further
1276090604 M * cehteh in short, this can (and will) completely circumvent any security
1276090645 M * cehteh what device do you need?
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1276093582 M * raceme cehteh: i wanted to create /dev/console with upstart script 
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1276102875 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1276102884 M * Bertl back now ...
1276102893 M * Bertl raceme: hmm?
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1276104639 M * raceme Bertl: about /dev/console ?
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1276105363 M * Bertl raceme: yeah, why do you want to 'create' it from inside the guest?
1276105609 M * raceme Bertl: vserver build did not create it and it is a required by upstart so i wanted to add the creation in an upstart script but if it is a security problem i'll avoid it and add in the requirement to do it manually if it is not there
1276105662 M * raceme Bertl: btw http://wiki.raceme.org/dokuwiki/tof:computer:vserver:upstart_ubuntu_lucid
1276106247 M * Bertl well, regarding console: you probably don't want 'the console' created inside a guest, because that means that upstart (from the guest) will write on your host console (and can read stuff from there too)
1276106306 M * Bertl what you want is to put a tty or pts there instead of the console, or if you like to see the output on the current tty just tty
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1276106352 M * Bertl regarding the stop: your guest seems to ignore the 'normal' init signalling which is done when a guest is shut down
1276106377 M * Bertl thus, after a given (configureable) timeout, the guest is killed instead
1276106413 M * Bertl util-vserver does not execute stuff inside the guest, it simply sends a signal to init (inside the guest)
1276106467 M * Bertl (the singnal is SIGINT, and this equals to the CTRL-ALT-DEL action)
1276106700 M * raceme Bertl: i removed the ctrl-lat-delete event from upstart so this is why it does not work... i'll dig that
1276106743 M * Bertl what is dbus needed for, btw?
1276106777 M * raceme Bertl: for the console ok i see the security implications. i've tried your advice yesterday about real ttyX or pts/X. pts/X does not work; ttyX works but it is not usefull as i do not have access to it...
1276106781 M * Bertl anyway, except for the console part (which I would change to if you really want that, or replace it with tty/pts)
1276106807 M * Bertl it looks good to me, and you might want to transfer the contents to the linux-vserver.org wiki
1276106829 M * raceme Bertl: do I need an account for that ?
1276106912 M * raceme Bertl: if I mknod /dev/console c 5 0 (as /dev/tty) in the vserver it will be acceptable on security side ?
1276107518 M * Bertl @wiki, yes, you'll need an account, but there is no big magic to get one
1276107553 M * raceme Bertl: ok i'll see that but after finished the setup and i will work on it next week now...
1276107557 M * Bertl @tty, you probably want to make the node from the host, or copy it over (from the host)
1276107609 M * Bertl i.e. cp -va /dev/tty /path/to/guest/dev/console
1276107658 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@201.174.19.86
1276107672 M * raceme Bertl: ok next episode on moonday... time to go back home and tomorrow i work to another place and another clien
1276107857 M * raceme Bertl: that's magique... vserver stop now after reenabling the control-alt-sup.conf script !
1276108467 M * raceme Bertl: but using tty as console does not work; tty8 (for example) do work... I've updated the page... and i am really gone this time :)
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1276114614 J * allquixotic ~allquixot@static.128.235.40.188.clients.your-server.de
1276114685 M * allquixotic Hello! I got an error trying to build 2.6.34 with the 2.3 patch patch-2.6.34-vs2.3.0.36.30.4.pre6.diff and got the exact same error as someone else who pasted on the pastebin; I googled to find this: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/15457  -- does anyone know if there is a fix for it ?
1276114846 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: sounds like you need: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/ExperimentalT/delta-vroot-fix01.diff
1276114904 M * allquixotic _Shiva__: Figured it was just missing an include. That was easy; hand-applied. Thank you!! :)
1276115046 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: da nich für :-)
1276115068 M * allquixotic Sorry, I don't speak German :)
1276115097 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: ah - just using cheap root-services, eh? ;-)
1276115104 M * allquixotic I'm an American using the no-VAT-over-here trade laws, plus the extremely competitive German market, to get an awesome deal on Hetzner's servers. Yes!
1276115123 M * allquixotic this server would run me about $800 USD per month in my state
1276115130 M * _Shiva__ phew
1276115149 M * allquixotic and maybe $600 USD the cheapest in the USA for this hardware
1276115163 M * allquixotic but yeah I have a lot of vservers running on the same box, because of all the RAM and CPU it has :)
1276115218 M * allquixotic Bertl coached me on how to do vservers properly back in 2008 or so in this channel, because I really had no idea then... I'm still using the software, really loving it :D
1276115288 M * allquixotic I might stick around now that I'm back, maybe pass on my experience to newbies
1276115325 M * _Shiva__ actually, you seem to be one rack aside from one of my roots there ;-)
1276115331 M * allquixotic hah! awesome
1276115367 M * allquixotic I'm actually grappling with whether to buy an eRIC or what -- I know I'll need to boot up a Fedora 13 live CD if I want to migrate to btrfs, which I do
1276115390 M * allquixotic and I have a fourth HDD now for RAID 1+0, so I need to totally get rid of the Linux-MD / LVM / ext4 setup, then put btrfs on
1276115398 M * allquixotic that's going to be interesting :/
1276115417 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: sounds complicated - but doable
1276115427 M * allquixotic I'm one of those crazy people who likes to run fairly recent software on a "production" server ;)
1276115439 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: ..maybe yet from the rescue system
1276115453 M * allquixotic the rescue system is Fedora 13?
1276115462 M * allquixotic last I checked it was 11... too old
1276115466 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: then why not using Gentoo ? ;-)
1276115469 M * allquixotic need 2.6.33
1276115483 M * allquixotic _Shiva__: I almost already do, since I compile a lot of stuff from source :P
1276115488 M * allquixotic just no ebuilds
1276115501 M * allquixotic I prefer ./configure --prefix=/usr --localstatedir=/var --sysconfdir=/etc blah... ;)
1276115516 M * _Shiva__ allquixotic: sounds like Gentoo done by hand ;-)
1276115531 M * allquixotic yep, except for things I don't care about, I let Fedora ship those
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