1271895877 J * allquixotic ~sean@pool-70-17-226-6.balt.east.verizon.net
1271896178 M * allquixotic Hello. I am getting an error with the latest linux-vserver 2.3.0 experimental patch against 2.6.33.2 and util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2883. When I try to start any of my several guests (which were previously running on 2.6.29 2.3.0.36.14) I get this error: http://pastebin.com/SUGKE7v6
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1271902977 J * Romster ~romster@202.168.100.149.dynamic.rev.eftel.com
1271905269 J * SauLus_ ~SauLus@d003057.adsl.hansenet.de
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1271905678 N * SauLus_ SauLus
1271907048 Q * DLange Read error: Operation timed out
1271907237 J * DLange ~DLange@dlange.user.oftc.net
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1271912099 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1271912102 M * Bertl morning folks!
1271912683 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.35.176
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1271914858 J * sharkjaw ~gab@90.149.121.45
1271915968 J * ghislain ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com
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1271917403 M * hijacker morning Bertl 
1271918624 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196-210-210-146.dynamic.isadsl.co.za
1271918814 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@213.238.45.2
1271919802 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.28.0.143
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1271919835 J * trippeh_ ~atomt@cm-84.209.14.59.getinternet.no
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1271920846 M * theocrit1 Hi everyone.
1271920851 N * theocrit1 theocrite
1271920868 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@213.238.45.2
1271920870 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1271920878 P * kir 
1271920924 M * theocrite Is there a way to monitor io per process ? afaik, sar or iotop are unable to list processes from within a guest. So I can only see the processes withing the host.
1271920948 M * theocrite Also I can't managage to run these commands inside a guest.
1271921535 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-094-222-077-154.pools.arcor-ip.net
1271921851 J * ktwilight ~keliew@91.179.206.246
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1271924370 J * thierryp ~thierry@zankai.inria.fr
1271924634 J * fosco fosco@91.208.40.1
1271924671 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr
1271924841 Q * hijacker Remote host closed the connection
1271925165 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1271926363 M * Bertl theocrite: have you tried to run it from xid=1 (spectator context)?
1271926545 M * theocrite Bertl: I didn't, I'm trying to find informations to understand how it works. Thanks.
1271926558 M * theocrite I didn't know about spectator context, but it seems really helpful.
1271926572 M * Bertl vtop for example uses it
1271926659 M * theocrite Ok. I usually use vtop or vps, but I didn't know how to use other commands on all processes.
1271926664 M * theocrite Thanks again for the help
1271926753 M * Bertl you're welcome!
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1271929458 J * fosco fosco@91.208.40.1
1271929667 J * ghislain1 ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com
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1271930401 J * hijacker ~hijacker@213.91.163.5
1271931782 Q * gnuk Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271932318 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
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1271936152 J * n01101111x ~nox@host.noxlux.de
1271936162 Q * nox synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1271936162 Q * blathijs synthon.oftc.net xenon.oftc.net
1271936162 J * blathijs_ ~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl
1271936162 N * n01101111x nox
1271936206 J * ManaPirat ~cst@stamper.dp-media.de
1271936217 M * ManaPirat Hello guys :)
1271936263 M * ManaPirat I've been a fan of linux-vserver since many years now but I am only using it with limited knowledge and without fancy configurations or setups
1271936285 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust521.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
1271936307 J * yarihm ~yarihm@office-zrh.youngsolutions.ch
1271936360 Q * balbir Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271936362 M * ManaPirat WOuld you think that it is the right coice for a webserver-scenario (apache, php) where we want to Isolate the performance-hunger and crazyness some of our projects show sometimes? It is not easy to blame 1 out of 10 webapplications easily for bringing th server down. So basicly isolating and identifiying the bugger without putting the 9 others at risk is the task
1271936417 M * BenG there are scheduling facilities in all the current versions of vserver ManaPirat 
1271936434 M * BenG I've found the newer cgroup method the easiest to configure
1271936435 M * ManaPirat You refer to this party I assume? http://linux-vserver.org/CPU_Scheduler
1271936446 M * ghislain1 Manapirat: we use it for web hosting and it works quite well
1271936455 M * Guy- ManaPirat: you could even use a reverse proxying webserver with some bandwidth control module for that, vserver isn't even needed
1271936473 M * ManaPirat I am not a pro in configurings erver - mroe a developer .. if we use something it also has to be simple .. do you think this could be an issue?
1271936486 M * BenG I was more talking about this ManaPirat : http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Cgroups
1271936503 M * BenG being the easier method
1271936522 M * ManaPirat Guy thats assuming 10 requests are worse than 1 request ;) .. when sometiems the oposite is true if the 1 request takes 10 seconds to run
1271936557 M * BenG Guy-, there's bandwidth control and control of the processing needed to handle them
1271936571 M * Guy- yes, I was assuming it was a bandwidth problem
1271936591 M * Guy- if the websites are CPU bound, then vserver is a good choice
1271936593 M * ManaPirat badnwith is not an issue for us
1271936616 M * Guy- although maybe you could get away with using cgroups these days
1271936634 M * ManaPirat BenG: and does that schedule IO to RAM and disk as well?
1271936655 M * BenG just RAM
1271936668 M * BenG you can enable CFQ for IO though
1271936695 M * BenG http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Disk_I.2FO_limiting.3F_Is_that_possible.3F
1271936785 M * ManaPirat allriggt .. sooo .. will it be alot of a hassle? "Recent versions of util-vserver sort this out for you by including the appropriate mount command in the util-vserver init (ie: runlevel) script included in the util-vserver distribution, however this apparently only works for the sysv init script, and not the Debian or Gentoo ones."
1271936813 M * ManaPirat We use managed hosting and are to soem degree bound to what knowledge those guys have .. I dotn want to explain THEM what to do to do it right ..
1271936880 M * BenG managed hosting? what level of access does that imply?
1271936937 M * ManaPirat not beeing root which I prefeer :P .. mostly I tell the gyus to get us a solution and mostly they do not fail 
1271936961 M * BenG sound like a good situation except for the "mostly" bit
1271936987 M * ManaPirat Well I think I gotta talk to them .. seeying that you people are pretty sure linux-vserver can do it :) that would be great
1271937033 M * ManaPirat And with virtualizing memory and cpu stats on the guest side I can also monitor their individual "load" and identify the high-loader and cpu-crazy vserver I am sure
1271937033 M * BenG it's a case of which method you choose really, affecting which kernel and patch you choose
1271937058 M * ManaPirat We dont need OS-Emulation or things like that .. just solid isolation of things, thats it
1271937066 M * ManaPirat failover and HA can come later too
1271937097 M * BenG for what you are asking Linux-Vserver is by far my favoured solution, but them I'm hanging out in here
1271937106 M * BenG so it would be wouldn't it
1271937106 M * ManaPirat and buying 1 machiens for 1 minor projects would not make me feel good thats why I am thinking virtualizsation
1271937132 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.36.85
1271937153 M * ManaPirat Sure Ben .. I am asking here because I know linux-vserver for quite a while and the community was a greta help for me :)
1271937183 M * ManaPirat and there is no "general" virtualization chat i am aware of .. every community is biased though to soem degree, I know
1271937245 M * ManaPirat sorry for my bad typing - I am usually too impatient waiting for my first finger to hit before I go on with the second :P
1271937261 M * ManaPirat thanks for the help guys - IÄm gonna stick for a while here :D
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1271937913 M * Bertl nap attack .. bbl
1271937926 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1271939198 N * blathijs_ blathijs
1271941228 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust521.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
1271941709 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-094-222-077-154.pools.arcor-ip.net
1271942146 J * gl ~gl@janus.hq.lixto.com
1271942149 M * gl hi
1271942153 N * gl gl2k10
1271942321 M * gl2k10 does anyone know if there is a mopre detailed description on how to handle netfiler&vserver besides the http://linux-vserver.org/RestrictingVserverNetworkingTips and http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests and the mailinglist hits google returns?
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1271942864 J * zbyniu_ ~zbyniu@ip-62.181.188.13.static.crowley.pl
1271942868 Q * zbyniu Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271942880 M * petzsch afaik there is nothing special about iptables konfiguration with linux vserver: you do it on the host and allways include the vserver IP you are creating the rule for... maybe the source code of openVCP and their webbased firewall administration helps you
1271943004 M * gl2k10 petzsch: well, there are some special things about it. at first the way dummy interfaces are in fact just lo for example.
1271943024 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.1.215
1271943053 M * gl2k10 petzsch: and therefor just input<->output between vservers as far as i undestood
1271943600 M * daniel_hozac there's nothing special about it.
1271943604 M * daniel_hozac it's just like a normal Linux host.
1271943915 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.28.0.143
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1271944161 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: well, i never used dummy interfaces with a "normal" linuxhost.
1271944180 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: so you are right.
1271944463 M * gl2k10 ok, anyhow, my head is smoking, to much netfilter for today.
1271944475 M * gl2k10 cu
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1271949586 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
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1271950844 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.196.82
1271950945 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-28-83.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr
1271951172 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@213.238.45.2
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1271954442 P * gnuk NoFeature
1271954454 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
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1271956068 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.13.100
1271956635 J * barismetin ~barismeti@jua06-1-82-242-159-114.fbx.proxad.net
1271956897 M * ghislain1 hum net_admin is not enough to have iptables in a guest it seems :(
1271956932 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust521.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
1271956982 J * rooijan ~rrosso@cuba.sonosite.com
1271956990 M * rooijan anyone know if its possible to change the name of a running vserver without stop/start
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1271960028 J * opuk_ ~kupo@pipe.intertubez.net
1271960078 Q * opuk Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1271962546 J * manana ~mayday090@84.17.25.149
1271963629 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1271963633 M * Bertl back now ...
1271963639 M * Bertl rooijan: yep, possible
1271964518 M * rooijan bertl: know how?  I need vserver-stat to show a shorter name for a vserver for some reporting.
1271964626 M * daniel_hozac /etc/vservers/<guest>/name
1271964871 M * _are_ ghislain1: NET_ADMIN is enough, done it only last week
1271965181 M * _are_ ghislain1: be aware you need to have the modules loaded already.
1271965618 M * Bertl also be aware that NET_ADMIN is quite powerful :)
1271966066 M * _are_ updated the FAQ about this a few days ago :->
1271966263 Q * hel Remote host closed the connection
1271966314 J * hel ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
1271966988 Q * hel Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271967374 J * hel ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
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1271968400 J * hel ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
1271968420 M * Bertl hel: problems with your irc client?
1271968575 M * rooijan daniel_hozac:  i asked changing the name without stop and start.  So you are saying just edit it and no stop start required.  this is a production server.
1271968679 M * daniel_hozac rooijan: yes.
1271968690 M * daniel_hozac the name is not encoded anywhere in the running state.
1271968702 M * daniel_hozac it is purely a superficial detail.
1271968858 M * rooijan daniel_hozac: thanks I will do it.  so just curiosity on my part.  we initially gave this vserver a fqdn.  meaning in vserver-stat it is chopped off.  which makes my scripts fail as I can't do vserver <long_name> exec through from another ssh host
1271968889 M * Bertl you might want to use the xid/nid for unique identification
1271968894 M * rooijan I guess a better question would be is there a better way to get a vserver list of running vservers on a host than scraping vserver-stat output
1271968903 Q * hel Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271968912 M * Bertl yes, you can use the kernel interface for that
1271969073 M * rooijan bertl: as in c executable?  no vserver-stat --list :-)
1271969164 J * hel ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
1271969172 M * Bertl as in syscall command, yes, but not necessarily C, e.g. python bindings should work too
1271969214 M * Bertl you can also use the proc interface for simple shell based checks (as long as they do not happen too frequently)
1271969344 M * Bertl off to bed now ... kind of tired, maybe I'm getting ill (let's hope not :)
1271969356 M * rooijan thanks for the help
1271969359 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1271969640 J * hel_ ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
1271969651 Q * hel Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271970017 Q * hel_ Remote host closed the connection
1271970708 M * ghislain1 _are_: thanks
1271970752 M * ghislain1 i have the netadmin but iptable fails (iptables v1.2.11: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Permission denied (you must be root)
1271970752 M * ghislain1 ) but i am root of course :p
1271970802 M * _are_ have you loaded iptables modules?
1271970912 J * hel ~hel@portos.lennackers.de
1271971021 M * ghislain1 yes the same command work on the host
1271971077 M * ghislain1 the simple iptables -L -vn
1271971451 M * ghislain1 i think i will have to upgrade tio a recent version i think and see :)
1271971454 M * ghislain1 thx
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1271972531 M * fLoo well
1271972543 M * fLoo ima need to upgrade to 2.3.0.36.2X too ;)
1271973293 J * SoRcS sorcs@login2.applikasjon.no
1271973315 P * SoRcS 
1271973684 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271973726 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.29.196.82
1271974393 M * fLoo btw
1271974400 M * fLoo when i am beeing asked for the processor version
1271974403 Q * urbee Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271974407 M * fLoo what to answer when using a celeron 2.4 ghz ?
1271974424 M * fLoo either Pentium-Pro (M686) or Pentium-4/Celeron(P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/older Xeon (MPENTIUM4) ?
1271974550 M * daniel_hozac M686 is always a safe choice.
1271974554 M * fLoo i see
1271974568 M * fLoo btw daniel_hozac why dont u provide 32 bit kernels on repo.psand anymore ?
1271974742 M * daniel_hozac i have nothing to do with repo.psand.
1271974761 M * fLoo sry thought u were the one who maintains that repo
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1271976366 J * Romster ~romster@202.168.100.149.dynamic.rev.eftel.com
1271976716 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c189057.adsl.hansenet.de
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1271980676 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@evdomip-84-165.iusacell.net