1271721635 M * urbee its like 400gb of files, some youtube alike site, so if i mess something up i'm in deep shit
1271721655 M * Bertl no problem, but checksumming 400gb takes a while
1271721663 M * urbee okay:p
1271721671 M * urbee i'll rather set my alarm clock to 6am and go to sleep
1271721693 M * Bertl e.g. if you do 100M/s disk I/O and the checksum runs at the same speed
1271721712 M * urbee by the way, when rsyncing from one hard drive to another (same machine, just different drive) all i need to change in /etc/vservers/ is vdir, right?
1271721717 M * Bertl you'll do 351GB per hour
1271721755 M * Bertl for the rsync, vdir doesn't matter, but when you want the guest to use a different dir, then yes, vdir is the one
1271721762 M * urbee yes,thats what i mean
1271721815 M * urbee thx
1271722108 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.244.44.46
1271722204 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust521.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
1271722226 Q * BenG 
1271722237 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1271722247 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1271722559 M * urbee nite
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1271732430 J * SauLus_ ~SauLus@c150158.adsl.hansenet.de
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1271732839 N * SauLus_ SauLus
1271742834 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1271742839 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1271743229 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-094-222-097-021.pools.arcor-ip.net
1271743267 J * ncopa ~ncopa@180.40.189.109.customer.cdi.no
1271743635 J * ghislain ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com
1271743820 Q * djMedrzec Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271743825 J * djMedrzec ~filip@filip.math.uni.lodz.pl
1271744496 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271744508 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@evdomip-30-65.iusacell.net
1271744766 Q * jkl Remote host closed the connection
1271744768 J * jkl jkl@c-67-172-141-170.hsd1.co.comcast.net
1271744817 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196-210-182-57-wrbs-esr-2.dynamic.isadsl.co.za
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1271746044 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@213.238.45.2
1271746411 J * jsullivan ~jsullivan@ool-457b05fe.dyn.optonline.net
1271746430 M * jsullivan Good day, all.
1271746438 M * jsullivan A bit of an emergency for us this early morning.
1271746451 M * jsullivan How does one stop a vserver-build -m clone?
1271746483 M * hijacker ctrl+c?
1271746501 M * jsullivan We started a clone to protect a vserver before making major changes but did not realize it had submounted a huge partition.
1271746507 M * jsullivan CTL-C did not work.
1271746515 M * jsullivan kill and kill -9 have not worked.
1271746612 M * jsullivan I don't want to reboot the host because there are many other vservers running on it,.
1271746724 M * Bertl you sure you are not having other problems there?
1271746749 M * Bertl kill -9 will definitely terminate all processes unless they are stuck in kernel space
1271746936 M * jsullivan It's possible.
1271746971 M * jsullivan We do have some issues with the disk subsystem because of an older version of iSCSI in the CentOS distribution which we are scheduled to upgrade to a version compiled from source.
1271746978 M * Bertl check with dmesg
1271747026 M * jsullivan I'm not terribly familiar with doing that.
1271747036 M * jsullivan There is nothing much in /var/log/dmesg if that's what you mean.
1271747074 M * hijacker how about /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog ?
1271747112 M * Bertl 'dmesg' is a command
1271747125 M * jsullivan Is clone the proper process to be killing?
1271747200 M * Bertl check with 'pstree'
1271747230 M * jsullivan Yup - lots of stack traces - such and such a process hung for longer than . . .
1271747235 M * jsullivan We have seen that before.
1271747242 M * jsullivan Looks like a hard boot is in store.
1271747244 M * jsullivan Yuch!
1271747425 Q * djMedrzec Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271747528 M * Bertl what kernel is that? (just curious)
1271747581 J * balbir ~balbir@122.248.163.1
1271747809 M * jsullivan 2.6.28
1271747815 M * jsullivan We have had this problem before.
1271747827 M * jsullivan Apparently it is fixed in 2.6.30+
1271747856 M * jsullivan We just rarely trip it and I wonder if it is related to the misbehaving iSCSI driver.
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1271748847 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@evdomip-30-65.iusacell.net
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1271750364 J * djMedrzec ~filip@filip.math.uni.lodz.pl
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1271750800 J * thierryp ~thierry@zankai.inria.fr
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1271751540 J * filip ~filip@ns.tefnet.pl
1271751546 J * djMedrzec ~filip@filip.math.uni.lodz.pl
1271751568 Q * filip 
1271751658 M * djMedrzec hi, I am still struggling with mounts:
1271751686 M * djMedrzec http://paste.linux-vserver.org/14904 <=- is there a reason for this behaviour?
1271751836 Q * ntrs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271751870 M * Bertl the fact that you have other filesystems mounted into the /devel branch probably makes that mount busy (if that is your question)
1271751942 M * Bertl also note: you are not dealing with real mounts there, (r)bind is vfs magic
1271751988 M * Bertl and I still don't get why you want to remount anything there :)
1271752599 M * djMedrzec Bertl: but it IS readonly, so it doesn't make any sense :/
1271752663 M * Bertl mount doesn't know that, and calls the remount
1271752679 M * djMedrzec yeah I know it is a kernel problem
1271752689 M * Bertl nah not really
1271752696 M * djMedrzec oh?
1271752711 M * Bertl mount needs to be updated to handle this stuff correctly
1271752735 M * Bertl i.e. avoid looking at /etc/mtab as only source and checking /proc/mounts
1271752749 M * djMedrzec my mtab is symlinked to /proc/mounts
1271752765 M * djMedrzec /etc/mtab: symbolic link to `../proc/mounts'
1271752771 M * Bertl which improves the issue a little, I guess, but doesn't fix it
1271752790 M * Bertl mainly because mount tends to store and derive other things from mtab entries
1271752811 M * Bertl run an strace -fF on that mount to see what really happens
1271752830 M * djMedrzec funny thing is that remount,rw doesn't cause an error, but under vserver it's still readonly
1271752849 M * Bertl which again is not really unexpected
1271752913 M * djMedrzec external package management will be a PITA for me because of invoke-rc.d, ldap etc
1271752980 M * Bertl then create a different namespace with a rw view and use that for your updates?
1271753025 M * djMedrzec and apt there will have access to the /var/run/slapd/ldapi socket and invoke-rc.d will work ok?
1271753026 M * Bertl you could even put that into some maintainance script, which ends in a rw version of your guest without allowing the guest itself to change anything
1271753070 M * Bertl note that your problem is that you change the outer namespace, but not the inner one (with the remount)
1271753092 M * Bertl given proper bind mount propagation that should be fine, but needs some adjustments too
1271753133 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271753180 M * djMedrzec Bertl: but I don't get how invoke-rc.d launched from a rw namespac is supposed to run a daemon in a ro namespace...
1271753190 M * djMedrzec Bertl: same with unix socket services
1271753257 M * Bertl sockets are not a problem, starting service inside a guest should happen from an ssh logon anyways
1271753315 M * djMedrzec Bertl: yeah, but for example apt-get install openssh-server launches invoke-rc.d sshd start
1271753344 M * djMedrzec how can I drag it across ssh?
1271753446 M * Bertl no idea how apt-get is supposed to work on ro root setups (if at all)
1271753448 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1271753483 M * Bertl but if you do the remount on the proper namespace, it will work too
1271753524 M * djMedrzec Bertl: hmm, thanks for these clarifications :)
1271753535 M * djMedrzec Bertl: is there a way I can land in that proper namespace?
1271753575 M * djMedrzec --mount argument to vnamespace maybe?
1271753627 M * Bertl IIRC vnamespace (in recent versions) has an option for that, but I always forget which one
1271753655 M * Bertl daniel_hozac will know
1271754449 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr
1271754768 J * balbir ~balbir@122.248.163.1
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1271756569 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr
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1271756711 J * ghislain1 ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com
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1271759631 J * gl2k10 ~gl@janus.hq.lixto.com
1271759636 M * gl2k10 hello
1271759742 M * gl2k10 i am trying to copy a vserver from one host to another the vserver way. eg 'vserver-copy vs-test-01 host:' but this just gives me a E: vserver-copy: Second argument must be of the form "[host:]name" or "host:"
1271759813 M * Bertl there is no vserver-copy in util-vserver .. so that doesn't sound like the 'Linux-VServer way' :)
1271759833 M * gl2k10 bertl: hi
1271759844 M * gl2k10 bertl: ok, well, what is the vserver way?
1271759862 M * Bertl depends on what you plan to do
1271759879 M * Bertl moving a guest doesn't really involve util-vserver
1271759897 M * gl2k10 ./scripts/legacy/vserver-copy
1271759904 M * gl2k10 util-vserver-0.30.215
1271759910 M * Bertl creating a new one as a copy of a remote guest can use the rsync build method
1271759936 M * Bertl 0.30.215 is more than two years old and the legacy stuff is for 2.4 and 2.2 kernels :)
1271759966 M * gl2k10 Bertl: i understand. ok, i remove the crufted vserver-utils and get new ones
1271760016 M * gl2k10 bertl: its really hard to get a working, usable combination of hostos+vserverpatchedkernel+util-vservers
1271760034 M * Bertl nah, not really, just follow the wiki page
1271760058 M * gl2k10 bertl: a good one. but lets give it another chance :)
1271760077 M * Bertl i.e. get whatever host disto you like, fetch latest kernel and Linux-VServer patch, apply and build
1271760103 M * Bertl install the new kernel, reboot, then grab the latest util-vserver, configure, build and install
1271760143 M * gl2k10 http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2883.tar.bz2 is ok ?
1271760152 M * Bertl sounds good
1271760233 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271760462 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1271760534 M * gl2k10 bertl: http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian: make && make install debian && make install install-distribution , seems to be outdated. at least i get a make: *** No rule to make target `debian'.  Stop. when issuin the 'make install debian' part
1271760602 M * gl2k10 so basically i did a: make && make install && make install-distribution
1271760616 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Linux_2.6
1271760623 M * Bertl this is what you want to follow
1271760652 M * Bertl (of course, replace the versions with the latest ones)
1271760666 M * Bertl the make debian seems to be debian source specific
1271760688 M * Bertl (no idea what they need it for, but hey, it's debian :)
1271760698 M * gl2k10 bertl:   Install util-vserver by source
1271760698 M * gl2k10 Occasionally, Debian's util-vserver package can be too old. So, we'll need to compile from source.
1271760699 M * gl2k10 First, install the required packages for util-vserver to compile. 
1271760733 M * gl2k10 bertl: sorry, this simply is wrong.
1271760781 M * Bertl what is wrong?
1271760804 M * gl2k10 bertl: like i said. the wiki page desctibing soucecompilation for debian hosts
1271760853 M * Bertl feel free to correct that, it's a wiki after all and I don't use debian
1271760869 M * gl2k10 bertl: anyhow, i have had 2 kinds of problems with vserver within the last 3 weeks. 1. getting a usable, supported, setup up and running. 2. following outdated doumentation on how to handle vservers.
1271760903 M * Bertl again, feel free to update the wiki ...
1271760916 M * gl2k10 bertl: mhm
1271760941 M * gl2k10 bertl: ok
1271760950 M * gl2k10 bertl: how about the software matrix?
1271760984 M * Bertl hmm?
1271761017 M * gl2k10 bertl: the funny colored table telling kernel version, patch version....
1271761029 M * Bertl what's with that?
1271761037 M * gl2k10 bertl: why not put another column there pointing to some usable util-vserver for that version?
1271761071 M * Bertl because the latest version is always fine
1271761083 M * gl2k10 bertl: maybe its just me, but i dont believe that i am the only one beeing to stupid to dig deep enough through the wiki just for the "initial download"
1271761090 M * Bertl i.e. that would add a lot of links to the same version
1271761108 M * gl2k10 bertl: the latest version is allways fine is not common knowlege
1271761111 M * gl2k10 +d
1271761209 M * gl2k10 bertl: the ugly thing is, i have had the same problems years ago.
1271761273 M * Bertl and obviously you didn't help with the documentation :)
1271761277 M * gl2k10 bertl: thankfully back then you where also around and helped me getting it even started
1271761294 M * gl2k10 bertl: well, back then there was no wiki as far as i remember.
1271761310 M * Bertl the wiki was there since the early days
1271761317 M * gl2k10 bertl: mhm
1271761351 M * gl2k10 bertl: when did you took over the project from paul sladen?
1271761351 M * Bertl http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/ (at least since 2003)
1271761365 M * Bertl paul never maintained Linux-VServer 
1271761384 M * gl2k10 bertl: ok, i assumed
1271761617 M * gl2k10 bertl: ok, 0.30.216-pre2883 is installed
1271761636 M * Bertl make sure that you got rid of leftovers from the previous tools
1271761646 M * gl2k10 bertl: easy to say :)
1271761664 M * gl2k10 bertl: i didnt use any "make uninstalL" install wrapper
1271761700 Q * nkukard Quit: Leaving
1271762430 M * sladen gl2k10: it sort of went straight from Jacques to Herbert
1271762477 M * sladen gl2k10: the period around then was a little uncomfortable---I didn't have the courage to unilaterally snatch it away from Jacques, but in the end, Bertl did
1271762582 M * Bertl :)
1271763155 M * gl2k10 sladen: oh, i messed that up in my memory a bit.
1271763397 M * gl2k10 mhm
1271763445 M * gl2k10 vserver build rsync --source vhost1:/var/lib/vservers/myvserver blabl01
1271763468 M * Bertl -m
1271763479 M * gl2k10 bertl: whatfor?
1271763480 M * Bertl and you need a name
1271763502 M * gl2k10 bertl: how can i get such information without asking you?
1271763512 M * Bertl vserver --help
1271763525 M * gl2k10 bertl: vserver buil buil --help
1271763534 M * Bertl vserver - build --help
1271763556 M * Bertl the first one explains that you need a 'name' as argument
1271763573 M * Bertl the second one shows the detail on building (using '-' as placeholder for the name)
1271763870 M * gl2k10 vserver build -m rsync --source host::/var/lib/vservers/myvserver -n cloneserver : Can not find a vserver-setup at '/etc/vservers/build/'.
1271763903 M * gl2k10 bertl: and there is none, for it is a brand new installation that never has seen a vserver
1271763917 M * Bertl *sigh* you are missing the name _again_
1271763926 M * gl2k10 -n isthename
1271763969 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Building_Guest_Systems
1271763987 M * Bertl spot the 'vserver1' inm the very first example
1271763990 Q * djMedrzec Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271764036 M * Bertl note that -n is not mentioned anywhere in the help or on the wiki
1271764077 M * Bertl (except for the fai build method as nfs root)
1271764129 M * gl2k10 bertl: dont know where i got that from.
1271764236 J * yarihm ~yarihm@dhcp-vpn-89-206-69-49.uzh.ch
1271764259 M * gl2k10 bertl: is there some way (without trial and error) to find out which options are mandatory and which ones are not?
1271764292 M * gl2k10 bertl: like with the example, sghould that work without network config?
1271764706 M * gl2k10 bertl: ok, thnkas, finally got it.
1271764746 Q * Bertl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1271765121 Q * jsullivan Remote host closed the connection
1271765388 J * Bertl herbert@IRC.13thfloor.at
1271765510 M * Bertl gl2k10: nothing is really mandatory, although without certain options it might not work as 'normal' guest
1271765532 M * Bertl (like the domain name, interface, etc)
1271765547 M * Bertl anyway, nap attack .. off for now ... bbl
1271765560 M * gl2k10 bertl: an guten
1271765580 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1271766541 J * mecool mecool@94.129.166.77
1271766677 M * gl2k10 bye folks
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1271769707 J * ntrs_ ~ntrs@77.28.9.236
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1271769912 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.28.9.236
1271769998 Q * ntrs Read error: Connection reset by peer
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1271772081 J * gl2k10 ~gl@janus.hq.lixto.com
1271772088 M * gl2k10 hi again
1271772160 M * gl2k10 since i finally have a state of the art vserver setup i wanted to try out some of those nifty features. like cpu, memory and disk usage limitation. i started with vdlimit. and failed, as many times before. left with not a single clou.
1271772164 M * gl2k10 vdlimit: vc_get_dlimit(): No such process
1271772191 M * gl2k10 .. /dev/mapper/v--storage--01-vservers on /var/lib/vservers type ext3 (rw,acl,user_xattr,tag)
1271772244 M * gl2k10 chxid -URx -c vs-test-01 /var/lib/vservers/vs-test-01 , throws no error, but also does not say, everything fine.
1271772298 M * gl2k10 with vdu i can look at space and inodes. but  vdlimit --xid vs-test-01 /var/lib/vservers throws the above error
1271772306 M * daniel_hozac did you set a disk limit?
1271772354 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: i think so. at least i created: directory  inodes_total  reserved  space_total
1271772381 M * gl2k10 648591 1 62914560
1271772386 M * daniel_hozac and you restarted the guest after that?
1271772405 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: well, yes, a few times.
1271772445 M * daniel_hozac did you enable disk limits in your kernenl?
1271772485 M * daniel_hozac does your kernel have disk limits for the filesystem you're using?
1271772487 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: i hope so
1271772542 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@213.238.45.2
1271772575 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: but seriously, there is nio CONFIG_VSERVER_DLIMIT=y here, so how can i see what it would would like if i had it, which i am not shure, for the named reasons
1271772684 M * gl2k10 CONFIG_VSERVER_AUTO_LBACK=y CONFIG_VSERVER_AUTO_SINGLE=y CONFIG_VSERVER_COWBL=y CONFIG_VSERVER_PROC_SECURE=y CONFIG_VSERVER_HARDCPU=y CONFIG_VSERVER_IDLETIME=y CONFIG_TAGGING_ID24=y CONFIG_VSERVER_CONTEXTS=768 CONFIG_VSERVER_WARN=y CONFIG_VSERVER=y CONFIG_VSERVER_SECURITY=y
1271772720 M * gl2k10 there are disabled options left, but they do not sound very 'disk limit'
1271772951 M * gl2k10 mhm
1271773009 M * gl2k10 what does: vdlimit: vc_get_dlimit(): No such process , mean anyhow?
1271773024 M * daniel_hozac that you didn't run vdlimit --add
1271773024 M * gl2k10 should tehre be some daemon up and running?
1271773052 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: no i did not. when should i have done/ do that?
1271773065 M * gl2k10 following this thingy: http://www.linux-vserver.org/Disk_Limits_and_Quota
1271773166 M * gl2k10 ok, i guess i am reading the wrong page again. may someone elighten me on where i can find any information about how this beast can be get going ?
1271773192 M * gl2k10 my vdlimit --help does not even know that it knows a option called --add
1271773232 M * daniel_hozac it might be implied
1271773276 M * gl2k10 daniel_hocac: ic.
1271773286 M * gl2k10 unfortunatly this doesnt help me much right now
1271773331 M * daniel_hozac what does vserver --debug <guest> start say?
1271773379 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: much. what to look for?
1271773649 M * daniel_hozac pastebin it
1271773666 M * daniel_hozac in general though, anything dlimit related.
1271773723 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: ok, needs some time. soemthing got completly broken because i tired to start a vserver again that was allready started. i couldnt stop the vsevrer. so i powercycled the machine (its just testing)
1271773940 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: http://pastebin.org/162193
1271773960 M * gl2k10 a bigone!
1271774238 M * daniel_hozac that's just the first half.
1271774243 M * daniel_hozac the actually interesting part is below that.
1271774270 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1271774355 M * gl2k10 http://pastebin.org/162207
1271774366 M * gl2k10 pastebin trunkated
1271774519 Q * bsarora Read error: Connection reset by peer
1271774665 M * daniel_hozac your directory is /?
1271774674 M * daniel_hozac you sure you didn't mean /vservers/<guest>?
1271774694 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: as there was no doumentation on the format of the path (full or from the chroots view) i choose the later
1271774866 M * gl2k10 daniel_hozac: thanks, i have no time to check that now. but i will tomorrow. cu
1271774869 M * gl2k10 bye folks
1271774881 M * gl2k10 another 4 hours killed by bad documenation :)
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1271776063 J * petzsch ~markus@dslb-094-222-097-021.pools.arcor-ip.net
1271776153 Q * mecool Read error: Operation timed out
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1271779013 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@201.174.32.226
1271779675 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1271780767 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1271784379 J * BenG ~bengreen@cpc2-aztw22-2-0-cust521.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com
1271784718 J * ichavero_ ~ichavero@201.174.32.226
1271784993 M * _Shiva_ BenG: is there a known issue with your pgp-key? ;-)
1271785015 M * BenG which one?
1271785019 M * BenG fingerprint please
1271785037 M * BenG it's a gpg key
1271785043 M * _Shiva_ BenG: 24445EAD
1271785093 M * BenG not so far as I know, why?
1271785096 M * BenG should work
1271785127 M * _Shiva_ BenG: Enigmail states it as "invalid signature" (or smth like that)
1271785146 M * BenG that's not a finger print though B30F E2EF 8533 5E07 A0B5  CC1C 6436 1BF5 2444 5EAD  is the fingerprint for that key
1271785202 M * BenG _Shiva_, you'll need my public key somewhere to validate it, perhaps it doesn't use a keyserver that carries my key
1271785215 M * BenG do the gpg keys of others cause enigmail problems?
1271785244 M * BenG there's another possibility that I haven't revoked my old key on a keyserver somewhere
1271785361 M * _Shiva_ BenG: there's a pub key with that id matching ben@bristolwireless.net on 24445EAD hkp://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de with an invalid signature, that i've just fetched from there..
1271785385 M * _Shiva_ . o 0 ( or my enigmail/GPG installation got hosed )
1271785392 M * BenG hmmm
1271785404 M * BenG I'll resubmit to that keyserver
1271785488 M * _Shiva_ BenG: do you have your pub-key on some http somewhere?
1271785502 M * BenG I can mail it to you if you like
1271785612 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1271785616 M * Bertl back now ...
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1271801902 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1271801908 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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