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1269224858 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1269224862 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1269248623 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1269249018 J * JonB ~NoSuchUse@85.82.1.198
1269249102 M * JonB i have a guest i can not ping from the host
1269249109 M * JonB i can ping all my other guests
1269250221 M * ghislain geb: the util-vserver-basic package is made by me
1269250260 M * ghislain geb: the issue is that you have the debian way and the vserver way i have to prevent one to shoot him in the foot installing the wrong package
1269250289 M * ghislain geb: one the 'basic' is to be used by people using the compiled default of vserver ( /vservers etc..)
1269250314 M * ghislain geb: the basic-debian  use the old debian package directory /var/lib/vserver
1269250361 M * ghislain geb: any comment is welcome
1269250412 M * ghislain daniel_hozac: i have to add an adress to a running guest with naddress
1269250440 M * ghislain daniel_hozac: but how can i explein this should be on eth2 ? should i bring it up in the host before ?
1269250525 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@139.12.1.252
1269250574 J * barismetin ~barismeti@zanzibar.inria.fr
1269251021 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47435.dip.t-dialin.net
1269251261 M * ghislain i guess so :p
1269252003 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
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1269252858 M * ghislain ok it work for the ip
1269252887 M * ghislain now got issue with nfs mount, anyone here know how to mount a nfs share in a guest witout giving it SYS_ADMIN ?
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1269253200 M * ghislain ohoh think it start to get something
1269253418 M * ghislain nope it just hangs
1269253424 M * ghislain dam nfs
1269253937 M * jpic ghislain: tryed /etc/vservers/yourvserver/fstab?
1269254253 M * ghislain the issue is i really would like to prevent running all tthe nfs crap in the host, in the fstab.remote i can but i must restart the vserver*
1269254264 M * ghislain and in production this is not really good
1269254314 Q * mcp Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
1269254339 M * ghislain vmount tells me: vmount: the source must be an absolute path
1269254359 J * thierryp ~thierry@zankai.inria.fr
1269254416 J * MeCooL mecool@94.129.169.67
1269254498 M * ghislain i do not know if the fstab.remote would work, also this is not clear if portmap and nfs daemon must run in guest or in host
1269255200 J * mcp ~mcp@wolk-project.de
1269255540 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1269255544 M * Bertl morning folks!
1269255576 M * petzsch moin
1269255753 M * JonB hey Bertl 
1269255996 M * ghislain helo bertl
1269256197 M * biz hello
1269256241 M * biz ghislain: what's the advantage of running the NFS stuff in the guests? I usually mount everything in the host and bind-mount it into guests (ro, rw... works perfectly)
1269256266 M * ghislain well i do not want to run anything in the host if possible including portmap
1269256327 M * ghislain biz: nfs seems to run plenty of stuff listening everywhere, in a rule of thumb i do not want to run anything on host apart from sshd and monitoring
1269256371 M * biz ghislain: what about using nfs4+tcp?
1269256439 M * biz actually, I get your idea... I've tried this too, but in the end it's too much pain
1269256745 J * ghislain1 ~AQUEOS@adsl2.aqueos.com
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1269258071 M * ghislain1 biz: ok thanks biz i will see, this is a pain those nfs thing
1269258124 M * ghislain1 biz: i dont know why it requires so many quirks to work, bah it a sun thing so jsut remembering they done java also give me an hint
1269258171 M * Bertl :)
1269258178 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47435.dip.t-dialin.net
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1269263588 M * jpic nfs shoudl be deprecated in favor of sshfs
1269263610 M * Bertl especially when it comes to performance *G*
1269263651 M * jpic ghislain1: do you mean that even ssh won't run on the host? :p
1269263677 M * ghislain1 biz: no , like i said  i do not want to run anything on host apart from sshd and monitoring
1269263836 P * thierryp ciao folks
1269265686 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47435.dip.t-dialin.net
1269265819 M * ghislain1 jpic: i do not know about sshfs and the possibility to share data between several web servers with one mount. Anyway most hoster give you nfs share to mount so i have no choice there
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1269275969 M * biz Bertl: what's the best practice to get a list of all running guests (ctx+name) in a script? Is parsing vserver-stat a good idea, or is there a better way? (eg. looking into /proc or something...)
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1269276628 M * Bertl ls /proc/virtual/[1-9]*
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1269276680 M * Bertl (either use -d, or a file there, e.g. info)
1269277376 M * biz thanks
1269277765 Q * ncopa Quit: Ex-Chat
1269277770 M * biz harry: you're around? (...asking for updated 2.6.32.10-vs-grsec... :)
1269278438 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A6A9.access.telenet.be
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1269279357 M * ghislain1 is there any reason that with secure mount, binary mount and secure remount nfs client cannot  work on a guest ?
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1269279423 M * ghislain1 it seems nfs do some dirty magic in kernel land grr cannot make it, will be forced to run on host :(
1269279437 M * Bertl userspace or kernel side nfs?
1269279475 M * ghislain1 userspace it is the client i do not have to use the serverside, i just want to mount in a guest a share of the hosting company nas
1269279502 Q * larsivi Remote host closed the connection
1269279505 M * Bertl well, with an userspace nfs client, a portmapper inside the guest should be sufficient
1269279514 M * ghislain1 when i strace it i got:EIO (Input/output error)
1269279514 M * ghislain1 [pid  5905] write(2, "mount.nfs: internal error\n"..., 26mount.nfs: internal error
1269279532 M * Bertl that sounds more like the kernel nfs client
1269279536 M * ghislain1 hum ok so perhaps i made a silly thing then, a SLIGHT silly things 
1269279605 M * ghislain1 the client is kernel side ? i do not see a choice on this..bah
1269279674 M * Bertl it works with the kernel side client too, you just have to follow a bunch of rules
1269279697 M * Bertl the requests will come from host and guest ip (mixed)
1269280029 M * ghislain1 hum i read the faq on the site and i do not have many details here, for the solution 2 there is no clue on where portmap should run (guest/host) etc and for the guest it says to put sys_admin right.. 
1269280039 M * ghislain1 which i do not want to add of course ehehe
1269280063 M * Bertl nah, you don't need that for a mounted filesystem
1269280071 M * Bertl just put the entry into fstab.remote
1269280236 M * ghislain1 if i use fstab.remote i need portmap in the guest or in the host ?
1269280249 M * ghislain1 i done it and tried to vmount but failed
1269280258 M * Bertl on the houst
1269280261 M * Bertl *host
1269280293 M * ghislain1 ok so this is the same as running  all in the host then :) rpc daemon too 
1269280315 A * ghislain1 give up all hope to run in the guest
1269280328 M * Bertl well, there is no 'guest' kernel
1269280353 M * Bertl so naturally kernel based nfs client is kind of running everywhere, including the host
1269280402 M * ghislain1 yes  my issue is that the internet facing daemon runs in the host
1269280424 M * Bertl you can put that into a guest too (the portmapper)
1269280453 M * Bertl just needs to be accessible 'from the host'
1269280476 M * ghislain1 ok now i am confused
1269280479 M * ghislain1 lol
1269280502 M * Bertl the portmapper is a service which allows services to register and maps the port association
1269280509 M * ghislain1 if its in a guest how could it be accessible to the host ? they run in different context no ?
1269280516 M * Bertl it is purely userspace, so no kernel interaction there
1269280517 M * ghislain1 yes
1269280532 M * Bertl means: you can put it in a separate guest, if you like
1269280551 M * Bertl just needs to answer to the 'right' addresses and ports
1269280698 M * ghislain1 hum ok so i can run services in the guest and mount in the host
1269280709 M * ghislain1 portmap and /sbin/rpc.statd ?
1269280724 M * Bertl statd is probably a little trickier
1269280743 M * Bertl i.e. you want to put that into the guest, but it shouldn't be required for mounts
1269280767 M * ghislain1 hum ok this is just when you install nfs-client on degbian it starts
1269280784 M * ghislain1 i found nfs for dummies: http://eu.dummies.com/how-to/content/exploring-nfs-in-unix.html got to read that 
1269280844 M * ghislain1 the issue is that searching for nfs bring up Neded for speed, that could be related to nfs too but is not in this case ;)
1269281025 M * ghislain1 thanks for the help Bertl will see if i can mange to make it work
1269281060 M * Bertl if not, just let me know
1269281742 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann[PullA]
1269281763 M * biz chcontext --silent --ctx 1 iotop
1269281769 M * biz IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/proc/vmstat'
1269281781 M * biz do I need /proc/vmstat in every guest for this to work?
1269281989 A * biz just found `setattr --watch /proc/vmstat` on the mailing list
1269281991 M * Bertl no, just in the spectator context
1269282126 M * biz ah, yeah. After reading that the watch flag means "always visible in context 1", this makes sense
1269282130 M * biz thanks :)
1269282271 M * Bertl np
1269283159 M * geb ghislain1, thanks for your answer (and for the .deb) :)
1269283203 M * geb the check for /vservers/ || /var/lib/vservers , seems to be a good idea, i just think it is actualy a bit too strict
1269283237 M * geb and that you could for example for the debian version, verify if /vservers isn't a link to /var/lib/vservers
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1269283593 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1269283636 M * biz what about dereferencing /etc/vservers/.defaults/vdirbase? (I would assume this points to the distribution's default, set by the maintainer?)
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1269285674 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@tmo-098-226.customers.d1-online.com
1269287369 J * toto03 ~thomas@f048164007.adsl.alicedsl.de
1269287448 P * toto03 Verlassend
1269290892 J * oli ~oli@62.152.161.117
1269290997 M * oli Hi all, i have a strange issue with 2.6.33.1 vs 2.3.0.36.30.3, suddely after 20 minutes host looses vserver ip's when doing a restart of the host i get following outputs: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/14848
1269291026 M * oli the output happens when a guest is shutdown
1269291848 M * Bertl sounds interesting, util-vserver version?
1269291920 M * oli 0.30.216-pre2864
1269291955 M * Bertl well, looks to me like you are observing a bunch of unrelated things
1269292029 M * oli hmm, the main problem is, that all vservers are suddenly not reachable by network anymore, host still is, ip addr list does show all ip's still online, from within the host i can ping these
1269292091 M * Bertl okay, not reachable by network can have a bunch of causes, one being a missing route, another being nameservice issues
1269292113 M * Bertl also overeager firewalls come to my mind
1269292142 M * oli hmm after thinking a while about arp and so on, it looks like there is an arp timeout after 20 minutes
1269292172 M * oli and the host does not reply to arp's 
1269292205 M * oli i think i have to wait for the next 20 minutes and have a network scan
1269292253 M * Bertl the ioctl thing on the other side seems to come from a guest which wasn't cleaned up properly and thus tries to unmount filesystems on shutdown
1269292289 M * oli okay this means that the message is harmless?
1269292334 M * Bertl I'd say so
1269292455 M * oli oh no, another strange issue: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/14849
1269292461 M * oli this happens at the moment
1269292489 M * oli my load raised in a view seconds to 300
1269292730 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1269292759 M * Bertl that doesn't look too well
1269292783 M * Bertl but it looks like something caused sdb* to fail?
1269292797 M * Bertl (which seems to contain a journal)
1269292861 M * Bertl micah: you around?
1269292979 M * oli bertl: are rlimit rss values applied when using cgroup memory support?
1269293018 M * Bertl in some weird way, i.e. better avoid that when you have cgroups memory controllers active
1269293066 M * oli okay but as soon as using cgroups free shows the host outputs in a guest, will delete the rss settings
1269293100 M * Bertl hmm?
1269293178 M * oli when using cgroups or the 2.6.33 kernel, the output of free is showing the host total's and not the total's defined in rss
1269293221 M * micah oli: do you have software raid?
1269293227 M * micah this seems to be ext4 too
1269293259 J * ktwilight ~keliew@62.186-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1269293293 M * micah also, debian isn't distributing 2.6.33.1 yet, so did you build that from vanilla upstream?
1269293301 M * oli no no software raid, this is an hardwareraid, after hard resting the server, the hd is looking well, only cleared some orphaned inodes
1269293310 M * oli yes build it from vanilla
1269293364 M * Bertl micah: I'm trying to get a 'working' nfs root for ppc64 (with debian sid or lenny), any suggestions how to do that? I started with debootstrap, but the result is not really able to boot
1269293432 M * micah Bertl: i have not used nfs in probably 8+ years, and never tried ppc64, so I'm a bit out of my element :)
1269293435 M * oli my network problem is solved: I will never ever give a guest the ip of my router - i will never ever give a guest the ip of my router
1269293449 M * micah hehe
1269293863 M * Bertl okay, no problem, I'll stick with the gentoo livecd then
1269294180 J * petzsch ~markus@p4FF47435.dip.t-dialin.net
1269294508 M * oli thank you Bertl and micah for help - off now
1269294555 M * Bertl have fun!
1269294683 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
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1269297955 M * micah i notice that my guests are starting up in runlevel 3
1269298000 M * Bertl is that good or bad?
1269298002 M * micah 'runlevel' shows "# 3" -- not sure how to interpret that, normally its the previous run level, followed by the current one
1269298017 M * micah if it went through runlevel 2, its not bad
1269298022 M * micah but i am suspecting that it is not
1269298040 M * Bertl you can configure the runlevel for each guest when using sysv
1269298069 M * Bertl when using plain style, it's managed by your guest init
1269298242 M * micah hm. i guess i am using sysv, since i am using the default
1269298295 M * Bertl maybe adjust the runlevel to 2 then?
1269298305 M * micah i think the issue is that because i go straight into 3, the 2 start scripts aren't executed
1269298313 M * Bertl (almost all sysv systems use 3 as default)
1269298326 M * micah except for debian
1269298328 M * Bertl I'm pretty sure they aren't
1269298329 M * petzsch good night, good fight everyone ;)
1269298344 M * Bertl night
1269298348 M * micah actually
1269298351 M * micah its more silly
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1269298358 M * micah debian's /etc/init.d/rc has this:
1269298369 M * micah # Optimization: A start script is not run when the service was already
1269298369 M * micah # configured to run in the previous runlevel.
1269298379 M * Bertl lol
1269298391 M * micah that means if I have rc3.d/S20cron it wont start on vserver start if there is rc2.d/S20cron
1269298405 M * Bertl so I see a bunch of options there :)
1269298427 M * Bertl remove rc2.d completely, moving all necessary stuff to rc3
1269298440 M * micah or just have my guests start into 2
1269298443 M * Bertl switch to rc2 runlevel and hope there is no rc1
1269298469 M * Bertl but previous runlevel probably means the old one, no?
1269298481 M * micah i think i was expecting my guest to start by doing the traditional walk through the run levels
1269298484 M * Bertl which should not be a problem as you go from # to 3
1269298511 M * micah I'm not sure what "#" is supposed to mean in this context
1269298563 M * micah if i try to do 'telinit 2' it tries to write to /dev/initctl
1269298579 M * micah which of course will fail
1269298634 M * micah it might be worth considering having debian guests go to 2 by default intead of 3
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