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1268276485 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1268276489 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1268291415 M * arekm .33+vs users wake up ;P
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1268297885 J * E-bola ~bola@smtp.techbiz.dk
1268297921 M * E-bola Do anybody know if a linux instance running under Hyper-V with vserver compiled in/installed will let u run multiple vservers under the 1 hyper-v guest vm?
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1268307489 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1268307493 M * Bertl morning folks!
1268307503 M * Bertl E-bola: yes
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1268310354 M * thierryp daniel_hozac: hi
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1268315528 M * Emzzzz http://imggmi.info/DSC-1268315139.jpg/ do my tits look big? 
1268315530 P * Emzzzz 
1268315548 M * E-bola Bertl: thanks, yep it works fine
1268315559 M * E-bola i just installed it, and its a whole new world to get used to but apears to be working
1268315569 M * E-bola I wish there where more usage examples and howtoes for vserver
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1268315962 J * larsivi ~larsivi@47.80-202-217.nextgentel.com
1268316034 M * Bertl E-bola: there are so many use cases for Linux-VServer that it is really hard to mention them all, we had folks using Linux-VServer for multi-seat setups as well as on mobile devices, for large scale hosting and for simple service separation
1268316081 M * Bertl basically just think 'chroot on steroids' and 'highly modular design' then you can find all kind of scenarios to make good use of that :)
1268316415 M * E-bola yep thats also what i recokoned so far
1268316453 M * E-bola My plan is to use it to make a multi tenant Asterisk voip setup
1268316503 M * Bertl good, read up on the ML archives, IIRC, a bunch of folks already used Linux-VServer for separating asterisk
1268316518 M * Bertl might be beneficial to get in contact with them
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1268317722 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.145.242
1268317941 M * biz hmm, weird... I'm testing this setup: CONFIG_VSERVER_AUTO_LBACK is not set
1268317981 N * MeCooL mecool
1268317988 M * biz and got a interface in /etc/vservers/foo/interfaces/0 configured with: dev=lo, ip=127.10.3.3, prefix=32
1268318018 M * biz within the guest: $ ping 127.10.3.3
1268318022 M * biz connect: Operation not permitted
1268318033 M * Bertl and what is the purpose of this 'unusual' setup?
1268318053 N * mecool MeCooL
1268318115 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1268318121 M * biz it's some old cruft from an early guest setup where I had problems with 127.0.0.1 within the guest... if I remember correctly, CONFIG_VSERVER_AUTO_LBACK was not supported earlier?
1268318155 M * Bertl correct, but AUTO_LBACK just assigns an lback address automatically
1268318168 M * Bertl i.e. has no effect on the lback remapping
1268318217 M * biz so the correct way today is removing the whole lo interface config and just using CONFIG_VSERVER_AUTO_LBACK=y?
1268318243 M * Bertl if you 'just' want lo/localhost, then yes
1268318274 M * Bertl that's why I'm asking for the purpose
1268318327 M * biz I need a loopback address within the guest and another address
1268318377 M * Bertl then remove all 'lo' interface cruft and leave the rest on default
1268318388 M * Bertl make sure to disable the single_ip though
1268318418 M * biz ok, thanks! :)
1268318469 M * Bertl np
1268318762 M * biz Out of interest, how does this work under the hood? Does it assign a context-based lo address on the host and remap it to 127.0.0.1 within the guest?
1268318827 M * Bertl kind of, there are two separate mechanisms here
1268318892 M * Bertl one takes every 127.x.x.x address and maps it to 'lback' when going from userspace to kernel, the other maps 'lback' to 127.0.0.1 when sending information from the kernel to userspace
1268318919 M * Bertl the auto-lback just automatically assigns 127.x.y.1 to 'lback' where x.y is the network id
1268319155 M * biz great feature, it simplifies lots of guest configs for me... I used to manage the loopback addresses manually, which brings in more work within the guests itself (adjusting localhost and service configs that need to listen on 127.x.y.z)
1268319187 M * arekm bahm
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1268328796 M * ghislain hum would it be possible to give a guest acces to his cgroup so it can create sub-cgroup and manage it's ressources ?
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1268329020 M * Bertl cgroup itself would kind-of defy the purpose, but sub-cgroups should be fine
1268329193 M * ghislain yes of course, i wonder how it is possible to give acces to the /dev/cgroup/guest1  without giving acces to the /dev/cgroup
1268329227 M * ghislain interesting this would let any guest use his share of ressources
1268329333 M * ghislain humm do not seems possible :p
1268329414 M * ghislain or..
1268329423 M * ghislain if i bind mount /dev/cgroup/guest1 ?
1268329451 M * ghislain perhaps that will work
1268329459 M * ghislain got to test this
1268329687 M * Bertl yes, bind mounts are the way to go there :)
1268329853 M * ghislain ohohh this seems to work in the host, next step make it host/guest 
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1268332145 M * tam Will a normal "vserver zyx restart" clear a stale NFS mount (done from /etc/vservers/zyx/fstab)?  Or do I need to reboot the host OS?
1268332694 M * Bertl you can simply force unmount a stale nfs mount
1268332711 M * Bertl or at least unmount it lazy
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1268335420 M * tam bertl- umount -f doesn't work
1268335441 M * tam I have a process that's stuck in 'D' state
1268335447 M * tam that's holding the mount open
1268335581 M * Bertl well, that is something which can only be resolved by a kernel restart
1268335592 M * Bertl anyway, nap attack ... off for now, bbl
1268335597 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1268335934 M * tam I thought so.
1268335936 M * tam Thanks :)
1268335962 J * ichavero_ ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1268336189 Q * ichavero_ 
1268336938 M * fzylogic tam: did you try umount -l?
1268337146 M * tam woah. no I didn't
1268337147 M * tam and that worked.
1268337206 M * tam that's what bertl ment by the 'lazy' unmount
1268337209 M * tam that's new to me
1268337215 M * tam and google didn't point me in that direction
1268337217 M * tam thank you both!!!
1268338470 A * arekm repeats himself but well... any .33+vs users here?
1268338538 M * geb Bertl, i didn't tested that much , but vserver on uml works like a charm, thanks a lot for you help (except some errors while the vserver ups its interface, caused by some wrapper in uml i guess), if you would like some tests on, feel free to tell me :)
1268338789 M * fzylogic arekm: 2.6.32.9 here.  
1268338812 M * fzylogic sticking to maintenance releases for the foreseeable future
1268338916 M * arekm fzylogic: too old
1268338945 M * arekm aka doesn't lie in "free" output while .33 lies
1268339409 M * fzylogic there was a bug in the vs2.3.0.36.29.1 patch (fixed in vs2.3.0.36.29.2)
1268339422 M * fzylogic perhaps it wasn't applied to vs2.3.0.36.30.1
1268340040 M * fzylogic just checked and that doesn't seem to be the case
1268341027 M * Chlorek i can add inet addr in the guest but i can't see that on interface in the guest
1268341030 M * Chlorek nonsense
1268341044 M * Chlorek is there some network flag, to be able to see it?
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1268341855 M * Chlorek hm?
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1268342946 J * ntrs ~ntrs@77.28.50.240
1268343425 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1268343429 M * Bertl back now ...
1268343644 M * Chlorek so my question is still actual ;)
1268343665 M * Bertl did you add the IP on the host too?
1268343709 M * Chlorek i add in the guest, but i can see it only on the host
1268343743 M * Bertl how do you 'add' it 'int' the guest?
1268343793 M * Chlorek naddress?
1268343821 M * Chlorek it is configure in interfaces/ directory or i dont't understand question
1268343840 M * Bertl okay, so you add it to the guest, and then you 'ip a add' it on the host?
1268343854 M * Chlorek no
1268343858 M * Chlorek on the guest
1268343891 M * Bertl okay, show me the commands, feel free to anonymize IPs
1268343908 M * Chlorek i have NET_ADMIN bcap, so i can do it, but still i can't see in the guest
1268343974 M * Chlorek ip addr add ip/mask dev iface
1268343979 M * Chlorek in the guest
1268343981 M * Chlorek ofc.
1268344015 M * Bertl is it visible on the host? 'ip a l'
1268344024 M * Chlorek yep
1268344092 M * Bertl does /proc/virtnet/<nid>/* show the very same ip/mask?
1268344172 M * Chlorek yes, but only configured in interfaces/ dir
1268344191 M * Bertl so, no, not in /proc/virtnet?
1268344205 M * Bertl if so, then you need to add it manually with naddress or restart the guest
1268344257 M * Chlorek so there is no some flag which turn on it? :/
1268344317 M * Chlorek i want to report new future ;)
1268344428 M * Bertl hmm? please rephrase
1268344468 M * Chlorek feature ;)
1268344497 M * Bertl okay, what would that 'feature' be?
1268344528 M * Bertl note: it is not advised to give NET_ADMIN to a guest (without using network namespaces) as it allows the guest to mess up your host
1268344639 M * Chlorek matter of trust
1268344652 M * Chlorek sometimes
1268344657 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@d046101.adsl.hansenet.de
1268344669 M * Bertl yeah, well, if you 'trust' the guest, you can simple use ssh to add IPs (via the host)
1268344704 M * Bertl but I guess, the future setup for this case will be network namespace based
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1268347102 J * mart ~mart@122-62-16-132.jetstream.xtra.co.nz
1268347935 M * kolorafa_ hi all, sorry for comeing only with questions, is it possible to mount a partition to a active guest or am i doing something wrong? (because i can use mount with namespace of guest, but i cant access it from guest)
1268348154 M * Bertl given that you aren't using old util-vserver, you can enter the guest namespace (with vnamespace) and mount stuff there (which will show up in the guest)
1268348245 M * kolorafa_ enter .. you are saying vserver guest enter?
1268348254 M * kolorafa_ or vnamespace -e guest something?
1268348261 M * Bertl the latter one
1268348299 M * kolorafa_ but will the other active programs wil have access to this mounted partition?
1268348331 M * Bertl yes, mounts done in the guest namespace will be (only) visible inside the guest (namespace)
1268348415 M * kolorafa_ so it will not be visible in "vserver guest enter" ?
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1268348523 M * Bertl it will be visible in 'vserver guest enter' as this (among others) enters the guest namespace
1268348588 M * kolorafa_ but when i use: vnamespace -e webr mount /dev/mapper/lvm--sda4-backup0310_3 /vservers/firehostnew/root/backup0310
1268348603 M * kolorafa_ i only see it mounted like this: vnamespace -e webr ls /vservers/firehostnew/root/backup0310
1268348632 M * kolorafa_ Debian-50-lenny-64-minimal:/vservers# vserver webr enter
1268348633 M * kolorafa_ [root@s3 /]# cd root/backup0310
1268348633 M * kolorafa_ [root@s3 backup0310]# ls
1268348633 M * kolorafa_ [root@s3 backup0310]#
1268348638 M * Bertl util-vserver version used to start the guest and doing the namespace/enter?
1268348662 M * kolorafa_ util-vserver 0.30.216-pre2793
1268348675 M * kolorafa_ (from debian package)
1268348690 M * Bertl what kernel?
1268348705 M * kolorafa_  2.6.32.2-vs2.3.0.36.28
1268348708 M * kolorafa_ x86_64
1268348729 M * Bertl probably too old, i.e. get a more recent util-vserver and try again (you need to restart the guest)
1268348769 M * kolorafa_ own build because debian package crashes server when something more i setup (eg scheduler/iptables)
1268348770 M * kolorafa_ hmm
1268349010 M * kolorafa_ thx for help... (how i dont like to make kernels ehh :D)
1268349035 M * Bertl the kernel should be fine
1268349107 M * Bertl util-vserver sets up a dual namespace setup (one you reach with enter, the other with vnamespace), where one namespace propagates mounts into the other
1268349142 M * Bertl (this is require, as one namespace needs to see the host data too)
1268349188 M * Bertl in your setup, the 'propagation' seems to be missing, or you reach the wrong namespace, which suggests that there is a malfunction in your util-vserver version
1268349502 M * kolorafa_ vserver enter uses: exec $_VNAMESPACE --enter "$VSERVER_DIR" -- $_VSERVER ----nonamespace "${OPTIONS_ORIG[@]}"
1268349507 M * kolorafa_ is this the right command?
1268349823 M * kolorafa_ thx, i will play with it sometime to find it :)
1268350643 J * ichavero_ ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1268351756 M * kolorafa_ i updated from 0.30.216-pre2793 to 0.30.215
1268351777 M * kolorafa_ and in vserver enter i see mounted dir
1268351824 Q * ichavero_ Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1268351832 M * kolorafa_ but i mess up :D now i have 3 copy of vserver file xD
1268351933 J * jrklein ~jrklein@2001:0:53aa:64c:0:6d7d:b4d8:6cf
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1268351992 M * kolorafa_ nice .. if you try to remove util-vserv from apt-get it ask to stop or not vservers, when type "no" he stops it eather way ... wrr