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1254722484 J * FireEgl Proteus@2001:470:e056:1:4::9
1254722969 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1254723378 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1254723533 J * davidkarban ~david@199.123.broadband11.iol.cz
1254723770 J * FireEgl Proteus@2001:470:e056:1:4::9
1254725669 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.248.163.1
1254728267 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254730234 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.85.196.112
1254730823 M * derjohn_mob Bertl_zZ, I cannot prove it now, but it seems with pre11 suspend doesnt work as reliable as with pre8. (changed something with process freezing or so?
1254732302 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1254732307 M * Bertl morning folks!
1254732344 M * Bertl derjohn_mob: what issues do you observe?
1254732978 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1254733149 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk
1254733184 M * BenG Morning, http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/ very slow today
1254733293 M * Bertl looks fine here ...
1254733668 M * derjohn_mob Bertl, on suspend (via powersaved) - Oct  5 09:30:09 tinyone kernel: s2ram         R  running task        0 17376  16945 0x00000008
1254733686 M * derjohn_mob hm, but the crash is caused by kscreensaver:
1254733715 M * derjohn_mob (P-Msg)
1254733746 J * _nono_ ~gomes@libation.ircam.fr
1254733768 M * derjohn_mob Could be related to other things, too I have to admit. I run xmatrix as screensaver, so it could have to do with opengl which is not very common on server :)
1254734099 M * Bertl so you get a kernel panic/trace?
1254734164 M * Bertl if so, please use addr2line on the first few addresses and upload it somewhere
1254735409 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1254735939 M * Bertl off for now ... bbl
1254735943 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1254737339 J * geb ~geb@earth.gebura.eu.org
1254737663 N * vServer_User_sleepy vServer_User
1254738202 M * derjohn_mob Bertl_oO, uuuuuuuhhh  addr2line <-- I will have to recompile IIRC ... I need some time to accomplish that, as I not in office this week and dont want to endanger my notebook bootability :)
1254741834 J * dna ~dna@100-199-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1254741892 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254742500 J * h01ger ~holger@socket.layer-acht.org
1254742515 M * h01ger hi
1254742701 M * h01ger the stable branch is only available for 2.6.22 - how stable is the experimental branch? ;)
1254742702 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.248.163.1
1254742766 M * h01ger with the 2.6.26 vserver packages from lenny the kernel segfaults using the zend packages from zend... 
1254743784 J * doener_ ~doener@i59F578DF.versanet.de
1254743884 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1254744098 J * scientes ~scientes@174-21-148-146.tukw.qwest.net
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1254745136 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1254745264 J * thierryp ~thierry@zanzibar.inria.fr
1254745644 M * pmjdebruijn h01ger: try 2.6.27.c
1254745647 M * pmjdebruijn .x
1254746017 J * FireEgl FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com
1254748186 J * saulus_ ~saulus@d025137.adsl.hansenet.de
1254748361 J * saulus__ ~saulus@d025137.adsl.hansenet.de
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1254749038 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.160.26
1254749626 J * saulus_ ~saulus@d025137.adsl.hansenet.de
1254749683 M * arekm Bertl_oO: reverting that patch didn't help - oops still happened
1254749689 J * saulus__ ~saulus@c140222.adsl.hansenet.de
1254749761 Q * balbir_ Read error: Operation timed out
1254749890 J * saulus___ ~saulus@d025104.adsl.hansenet.de
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1254750040 J * saulus___ ~saulus@c135138.adsl.hansenet.de
1254750047 Q * SauLus Read error: Connection reset by peer
1254750052 N * saulus___ SauLus
1254750143 Q * saulus_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254750275 M * arekm Bertl_oO: blues swears that 27.15 works fine... checking
1254750349 Q * saulus__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1254754871 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1254755394 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1254757372 M * Marillion h01ger: take the 2.6.27.X branch, is a LTS Kernel ;) and he work fine with utils-vserver in lenny 
1254757636 M * h01ger Marillion, (hi!) would you recommend to recompile the ubuntu package or from scratch?
1254757762 M * Marillion h01ger: hello ;) i don't know, but is better from kernel.org and compile yourselves
1254757790 M * Marillion and from 2.6.26 to 2.6.27 is not big
1254757828 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@nat.ti.uach.mx
1254757934 A * Marillion don't like the ubuntu philosophy
1254757937 M * pmjdebruijn they're up to  2.6.27.35 now
1254757948 M * pmjdebruijn Marillion: what might that philosophy be?
1254757985 M * Marillion pmjdebruijn: sid branch
1254758010 M * pmjdebruijn huh?
1254758021 M * pmjdebruijn what does sid have to do with Ubuntu?
1254758035 M * pmjdebruijn except that it's a checkout of sid
1254758040 M * Marillion ubuntu based on Debian sid
1254758048 M * pmjdebruijn stabalized Debian sid yes
1254758054 M * Marillion wrong
1254758083 M * pmjdebruijn "stablized" a is pretty odd concept, since many packages pass unchanged from sid to release... except for the passing of time
1254758087 M * pmjdebruijn anyway
1254758093 M * pmjdebruijn that's why there are LTS releases
1254758114 M * pmjdebruijn every two years
1254758128 M * Marillion i don't speak from LTS
1254758149 M * pmjdebruijn huh?
1254758163 M * pmjdebruijn the whole point is to be up to date... which implies sid
1254758182 M * Marillion every six mounth?!
1254758187 M * pmjdebruijn sigh
1254758194 M * pmjdebruijn Marillion: that's why there are LTS releases
1254758221 M * pmjdebruijn the six month release cycle works excellently... especially since it's synchronized with GNOME
1254758291 M * Marillion pmjdebruijn: sorry, but my english is not so good contribution for argumention
1254758294 M * pmjdebruijn and LTS releases are made about as often as there are Debian releases... except that LTS's are released on a schedule, and are supported for a set period of time...
1254758317 M * pmjdebruijn Marillion: running a non-LTS on a server is silly anyways
1254758331 M * pmjdebruijn with or without vserver
1254758381 M * pmjdebruijn Marillion: my point being... you want LTS... 
1254758391 M * pmjdebruijn nothing wrong with "the philosophy"
1254758399 M * Marillion this is OT too much for here
1254758416 M * Marillion another place is better
1254758417 M * pmjdebruijn oh well, it's quiet, not disturbing anyone...
1254758449 M * pmjdebruijn the same concept applies to RedHat and SuSE as well, btw... Since Fedora releases every 6 months as well, while RedHat Enterprise is released every 2/2.5 years
1254758461 M * pmjdebruijn same with OpenSUSE and Novell SLES...
1254758464 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1254758468 M * Bertl evening folks!
1254758471 M * pmjdebruijn evening
1254758504 M * Marillion hi Bertl 
1254758610 M * h01ger hi Bertl :)
1254758621 M * Bertl hey h01ger! LTNS!
1254758647 M * h01ger hehe
1254758652 M * Bertl (or should that be LTS :)
1254758731 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254758746 M * pmjdebruijn Long Term No Support? :p
1254758775 M * BWare Long Term Need (for) Support ?
1254758831 M * Bertl yeah, the fun of 3(4) letter acronyms :)
1254758879 M * Bertl h01ger: so what's up in Debian? Linux-VServer land?
1254759301 M * h01ger Bertl, not looking so good. upstream (aka you) is not releasing patches for stable/debian kernel, kernel maintainer say, i've heard
1254759305 M * h01ger they'd also prefer mainline integration :)
1254759323 M * Marillion micah: are plan a backport from util-vserver to lenny?
1254759341 M * Marillion s/are/are you
1254759356 M * Bertl h01ger: stable being the broken 2.6.26 debian is sitting on?
1254759356 M * h01ger (some are vocal about openvz are better, but i think thats just distracting. if there is a supportable patch and commitment to support it over a release lifecycle, i'd assume it would go in. there is quite a big userbase
1254759384 M * h01ger Bertl, currently stable means .26 for lenny. but for the future it means, whatever version will be choosen for squeeze
1254759399 M * h01ger (with squeeze release date "still" not set)
1254759410 M * Bertl well, that (future) version should be fine and supported
1254759421 M * Marillion h01ger: openvz in lenny works fine, i'm testing befor i'm using vserver
1254759435 M * h01ger Bertl, but there is no stable vserver patch for .30 or .31?
1254759445 M * Bertl there will be
1254759471 M * h01ger Marillion, i dont care about openvz. i want vserver, cause thats what i have currently. for future i might as well switch to kvm or another mainline solution
1254759477 A * h01ger is lazy and likes distro kernels
1254759478 M * Bertl (note that the latest stble OVZ paaaaaaatch is for 2.6.18, IIRC :)
1254759485 M * h01ger :)
1254759488 M * h01ger Bertl, any ETA?
1254759500 M * h01ger afaik vserver has been kicked out in sid...:-/
1254759522 M * Bertl stabilization has begun a few days ago, thanks to a contribution from dreamhost
1254759571 M * h01ger nice
1254759574 M * Marillion h01ger: ah ok, kvm is a different virtualion as Vserver(OpenVZ :)
1254759574 M * h01ger very nice
1254759585 M * h01ger Marillion, yeah. 
1254759670 M * Marillion but it work, if you want it, take libvirt :)
1254759687 M * Marillion is easier to install guest
1254759691 M * Bertl h01ger: well, I guess it's better to have no Linux-VServer in sid than a completely broken version
1254759715 J * ViRUS ~mp@p579B5CD9.dip.t-dialin.net
1254759717 M * h01ger Bertl, yes, sure. it just makes me nervous ;) but as long as it comes back...
1254759761 M * Bertl no idea, I've lost contact to the debian kernel folks
1254759773 A * h01ger nods
1254760042 Q * scientes Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254760148 M * Marillion Bertl: for me (Infomation) are you a mandriva developer too? because you are say to use a mandrake developer release
1254760157 Q * thierryp Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254760332 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c145069.adsl.hansenet.de
1254760405 A * Marillion ...pure nosiness
1254760525 M * Bertl Marillion: I'm not an official Mandrake/Mandriva developer
1254760563 M * Marillion Bertl: ah ok, thanks for the information
1254760607 M * h01ger inofficially we are all gentoo, mandrake and suse developers too :)
1254760618 A * h01ger goes to the bathroom
1254762891 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1254763681 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated!
1254764125 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.42.53
1254764728 M * Bertl nap attack ... bbl
1254764736 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1254765873 Q * balbir_ Remote host closed the connection
1254765961 J * hijacker_ ~hijacker@87-126-142-51.btc-net.bg
1254766081 N * vServer_User vServer_User_sleepytown
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1254767521 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
1254768217 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.42.53
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1254770381 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.42.53
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1254771699 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1254772262 N * tokkee Zacharias
1254772398 N * Zacharias tokkee
1254772641 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.14.187
1254772674 M * raceme_ h01ger: are you sure that vserver will come back in time for squeeze freeze ?
1254772679 N * morrigan morrigan_zZ
1254772812 M * Marillion raceme_: depends, is what the kernel version in the freeze time _and_ the patchset Kernel version at the time from vserver.org
1254772927 M * Marillion i don't believe that sqeuzze shipping with .30
1254772976 M * Marillion squeeze eveb
1254772982 M * Marillion even ;)
1254773046 M * raceme_ Marillion: in fact i resolved this problem by compiling and packaing my own kernel with latest vserver patch...
1254773064 M * Marillion which version?
1254773077 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254773080 M * raceme_ squeeze shoudl use .28 like jaunty... so no ext4 it would be very funny...
1254773104 M * raceme_ Marillion: 2.6.31.1-vs2.3.0.36.14-pre9
1254773127 M * Marillion squeeze is *not* Ubuntu
1254773138 M * Marillion never, never at any time
1254773217 M * Marillion ask the Ubuntu Maintainer have any problems with your systems
1254773243 M * raceme_ Marillion: sorry i don't get you
1254773401 M * raceme_ i was refering that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/linux/+bug/330824?comments=all
1254773649 M * Marillion raceme_: build your own Kernel from source, come in and find out ---> http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org
1254773857 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1254773865 M * Bertl back now ...
1254773907 M * Marillion raceme_: and for the future: bug-reports for Ubuntu user is launchpad _and_ for Debian User is the BTS, many Debian developer hate Ubuntu, this is the another history
1254774057 M * Bertl hmm .. ubuntu vs debian bug shootout? or what's going on? :)
1254774133 M * Marillion Bertl: nothing, i don't going on the flamewar :)
1254774181 M * Bertl good .. I'm just trying to tie it to Linux-VServer, but so far I failed ... anything Linux-VServer related I missed?
1254774293 M * Marillion no, you are not guilt, is my problem
1254774396 Q * ViRUS Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison)
1254774508 M * Marillion Bertl: sorry for the short answer, but english is _not_ my native language, my english is to bad for a good argumention :)
1254774528 M * Bertl no problem, I'm no native speaker either ...
1254774554 M * Bertl anything Linux-VServer related on your mind, while you're at it?
1254774620 M * Marillion no, not at the moment, but thanks for questions
1254774623 M * geb http://zbla.net/debian/ should work with ubuntu
1254774628 M * geb ( *should* )
1254774698 M * Marillion s/for/for your
1254774715 M * Marillion is better, i believe
1254774741 M * Bertl what you mean is: but thanks for asking  .. and, you're welcome!
1254774769 M * Marillion Bertl: thanks for asking <-- i mean :)
1254774798 M * Bertl np
1254774882 M * Marillion Bertl: my last english lesson is over 20 years ago, i hope when ofter read english than i remember for more english vokabel from time to time
1254774898 M * Marillion anyway
1254774966 M * Bertl yes, reading definitely helps to improve the vocabulary ... but the important part is that we have a language to communicate with ... doesn't need to be perfect :)
1254774985 M * Marillion i see, but is ok :)
1254775293 M * fback good evening :)
1254775427 M * Bertl evening!
1254775442 M * fback Bertl: how's going?
1254775510 M * Bertl fine, tx, on the way to the next devel :) and you?
1254775556 M * fback Bertl: and how about the house?
1254775587 M * Bertl still nothing there unfortunately .. but I was told that it is getting better in austria now
1254775609 M * fback Bertl: fine here, thanks :-)
1254775960 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: would it be hard to add support for the hard-limit CFS interface when I add the required kernel stuff? (http://www.pubbs.net/kernel/200909/128087/)
1254775980 M * daniel_hozac what's the API?
1254776028 M * Bertl a file, called cfs-hard-limit to enable
1254776038 M * daniel_hozac in the cgroup?
1254776055 M * daniel_hozac if so, that's not going to need any extra support.
1254776059 M * Bertl yep, and a period/runtime value
1254776074 M * daniel_hozac just put the file with the correct value in /etc/vservers/<guest>/cgroup
1254776079 M * Bertl it seems you need to echo the group into the cfs-hard-limit
1254776091 M * Bertl +# echo 1 > cfs-hard-limit /* enable hard limiting for group 1/ */
1254776163 M * Bertl I was thinking of mapping the TB settings directly to CFS tuneables, but taht would require to 'know' the cgroup somehow
1254776185 M * daniel_hozac it'll be the current cgroup.
1254776189 M * daniel_hozac if cgroups are enabled.
1254776224 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1254776225 M * Bertl ah, okay, that should simplify things then ... although a cgroup-style support would probably be preferable ...
1254776238 M * daniel_hozac right, as i said, that's already there.
1254776268 M * daniel_hozac everything in /etc/vservers/<guest>/cgroup is just copied to the cgroup settings.
1254776268 M * Bertl okay, so the config files are copied 1:1 into the cgroup vfs, right?
1254776271 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1254776299 M * Bertl great work! thanks!
1254776330 M * Bertl on a different note, I plan to make the CoW feature depend on the 'new' CoW flag soon
1254776349 M * Bertl how hard would it be to explicitely add that to util-vserver?
1254776382 M * Bertl i.e. the idea is to still have IXUNLINK for normal use, but to activate CoW the COW flag is needed too
1254776411 M * daniel_hozac hmm.
1254776419 M * daniel_hozac i thought that was already there, but apparently not.
1254776428 M * Bertl OTOH, it will be possible to use IXUNLINK outside and independantly
1254776449 M * daniel_hozac so CoW will be CoW + IXUNLIK + IMMUTABLE?
1254776472 M * raceme_ hi Bertl I see that you made a pre11 with a oom killer modifications, is it related to my crash a few days ago ?
1254776484 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: that's the idea
1254776523 M * Bertl raceme_: no, that was basically a response/improvement to the feature request kernelmadness? had
1254776537 M * daniel_hozac Bertl: btw, friend of mine sees hangs on pre11 when running a vserver kernel on a kvm/vserver host.
1254776556 M * raceme_ Bertl: ok...
1254776561 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: interesting, any details?
1254776582 M * Bertl raceme_: what was your specific crash? any url?
1254776582 M * daniel_hozac seems to only happen when running kvm guests.
1254776591 M * daniel_hozac primarily Windows guests.
1254776611 M * daniel_hozac and it crashes sooner with them rebooting.
1254776615 M * Bertl okay, we will find that shortly, as I plan to switch my devel system to pre11+ :)
1254776635 M * raceme_ Bertl: http://ombos.raceme.org/tof/tmp/vserver-crash.txt but i am not sure it have any interest :)
1254776643 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: (although I do not intend to run windows :)
1254776678 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: I think we have a problem with the TBE on CFS
1254776690 M * daniel_hozac yeah, that was my first thought too.
1254776708 M * daniel_hozac disabling SCHED_HARD didn't change anything though.
1254776709 M * Bertl so, what your friend sees might be the very same which arekm can trigger now
1254776764 M * Bertl it might be interesting to rip out the sched.c changes as arekm did, if he can recreate it in a timely manner
1254776791 M * Bertl (and is willing to test)
1254776799 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1254777007 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1254777011 M * Bertl btw, the barrier is not needed anymore, right? I mean, I'm not going to remove it, but it should't be required anymore either, yes?
1254777084 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.14.187
1254777095 M * daniel_hozac right.
1254777473 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: and last thing for today (I hope :) could you add the two new ccaps (if not already done so)?
1254777525 M * Bertl #define VXC_OOM_ADJUST         0x00002000
1254777530 M * Bertl #define VXC_AUDIT_CONTROL      0x00004000
1254777601 M * daniel_hozac what's FS_SECURITY?
1254777759 M * Bertl hmm, sec, have to check that :)
1254777785 M * arekm weird, 2.6.27.25 also doesn't want to segfault hmm
1254777802 M * arekm aka oops
1254777807 M * daniel_hozac looks like allowing the security xattrs.
1254777824 M * Bertl ah, yes, that makes sense
1254777867 M * Bertl for the audit control, I figured it could even be default on, it shouldn't hurt or compromise a guest
1254777885 M * daniel_hozac yeah.
1254777890 M * Bertl i.e. it simply allows the guest to set the loginuid via proc
1254777892 M * daniel_hozac we already defaulted it on before.
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1254777938 M * Bertl really? interesting ...
1254777962 M * daniel_hozac back when that was a capability.
1254777987 M * Bertl ah, right ... okay
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1254779068 J * blues ~blues@acsp204.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
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