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1253407636 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1253407640 M * Bertl back now ...
1253407658 M * Bertl blikz: I am now :)
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1253417725 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1253417743 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1253450031 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1253450035 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1253450990 M * geb morning Bertl :)
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1253452939 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@u7.hlc.edu.tw
1253454809 M * Val morning Bertl
1253454872 M * Bertl hey Val! LTNS!
1253454889 M * fback morning Bertl :)
1253454955 M * Val pmjdebruijn: i confirm, vs2.3.0.36.14-pre8 apply fine with 2.6.60-6 Debian sources
1253454960 M * pmjdebruijn lo
1253454970 M * Val pmjdebruijn: not with 2.6.30-7
1253454972 M * pmjdebruijn Val: thanks... but I really don't care :p
1253454979 M * Val uh
1253454981 M * Bertl Val: wow, time travelin' again?
1253454989 M * pmjdebruijn Val: that came out of bit rude...
1253455006 M * pmjdebruijn Val: I was the guy that didn't use the Debian kernels
1253455013 M * Val ok
1253455108 M * Val Bertl: may be i'm a bit boring everyone there with debian kernel related problems
1253455165 M * Bertl nah, it's more entertainaing that you tested 2.6.60 :)
1253455176 M * Val :)
1253455190 M * Bertl does it boot and work too, or just apply :)
1253455266 M * Val it works, it works...
1253455328 M * geb i also tested vserver patch + debian kernel, it works fine
1253455378 M * fback I'm going to take a nap
1253455396 M * Bertl enjoy
1253455412 M * fback Bertl: later I'll test if user authentication works, and if it is, I'll commit changes
1253455430 M * Val i'm uploading 2.6.30-6 with vs2.3.0.36.14+pre8 for Debian (http://zbla.net/debian)
1253455456 M * Val if it helps ...
1253455488 M * Bertl it shouldn't hurt, no? :)
1253455552 M * Val i hope
1253455841 M * geb Val, maybe you can put it in the wiki
1253456198 M * Val looking for a page related to...
1253456683 M * geb http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Debian ? :)
1253457055 M * Bertl well, either there or on a separate page
1253457091 M * Bertl the problem is, deban sources patched with Linux-VServer patches are 'usually' either broken or not official (which is sad)
1253457122 M * Bertl so in general, it is better for the (debian) end-user to go with vanilla kernels
1253457629 M * Val i know some people who prefer packaged ones, i saw more hits on my packaged kernels since lenny came with bad vserver enabled kernels... This sad too. I want to be there for next release and help to provide a good and stable kernel for all real end-users not only coders, if i can. I don't want to start a new war on Debian... sorry if it feels like
1253457831 M * Val and i'm not able to fix kernel patch code, only to apply/package/test and publish/post a bug
1253457943 M * Bertl as I stated several times, if some debian developer really stands up and starts maintaining a 'debian' Linux-VServer kernel, I have no problem helping them with patch selection and similar, as long as they keep the kernels updated and working
1253458358 M * Val I'm not a Debian Developper but i can help to avoid loosing gains like we did on lenny release. (remember we worked to provide proper vserver enabled kernel for etch, the previous one)
1253458474 M * Val For now i follow your developments against current latest Debian kernel to be ready
1253458511 M * Val :]
1253463067 M * FIChTe i think the main problem in putting much effort in vserver integration in debian kernels is that there is a similar technique already built into the kernel, or am i wrong?
1253463114 M * Bertl well, did you use it? :)
1253463128 M * FIChTe yes
1253463171 M * Bertl excellent, so you have a 'debian-kernel' setup where you can run Linux-VServer like guests on (without Linux-VServer patches), yes?
1253463223 M * FIChTe yes but i prefer vserver, because i used it for a long time
1253463250 M * FIChTe but lxc is quite useable
1253463287 M * Bertl so, you actually had it work, and a guest running, right?
1253463307 M * FIChTe yes
1253463340 M * FIChTe why not? setup is quite simple :)
1253463365 M * Bertl maybe you should document that on the wiki then?
1253463439 M * FIChTe sound like a good idea but document linux containers in the linux-vserver wiki?
1253463440 M * FIChTe :)
1253463538 M * Val ?
1253463563 M * FIChTe yes val?
1253463564 M * FIChTe :)
1253463570 M * FIChTe are you confused?
1253463574 M * Val FIChTe: yep :)
1253463586 M * FIChTe ok
1253463590 M * FIChTe http://lxc.sourceforge.net/
1253463590 M * Val some links for the poor ? ;)
1253463593 M * Val thks
1253463595 M * FIChTe there you go
1253463595 M * FIChTe and
1253463623 M * FIChTe http://packages.debian.org/sid/lxc
1253463651 M * FIChTe but bertl
1253463674 M * FIChTe it would be nice if you can prepare a patch for 2.6.30.7 incl. uptime.c fix
1253463675 M * FIChTe :)
1253463676 M * daniel_hozac you might want to look at libvirt.
1253463681 M * FIChTe also
1253463690 M * Val yes i tried kvm guest
1253463692 M * Val +s
1253463695 M * FIChTe you can manage linux containers with libvirt
1253463697 M * Val but i prefer vserver too
1253463706 M * Val unification & so on ...
1253463712 M * Bertl well, I know that, but I'm still missing essential things like 'entering' a guest, network isolation, load virtualization, proper limit, hard scheduler ...
1253463947 M * Bertl not to speak from fancy features like reboot stuff, unification, disk limits ...
1253463995 M * Val yes, vserver is a _great_ product
1253464016 M * Bertl FIChTe: an you could also manage Linux-VServer guests with libvirt, if the libvirt folks had have a look at the Linux-VServer patches/addons daniel_hozac submitted years? ago
1253464042 M * FIChTe i never tried the lxc stuff from libvirt
1253464058 M * FIChTe aeh
1253464059 M * Bertl (no idea why they keep ignoring the contributions ...)
1253464059 M * FIChTe vserver
1253464101 M * FIChTe seems that everybody ignores linux-vserver
1253464123 M * FIChTe i like it anyway
1253464159 M * FIChTe every productive machine in our company which is running linux is virtualized with linux vserver
1253464223 M * FIChTe so i cannot understand why linux-vserver is ignored especially by the debian guys
1253464269 M * FIChTe but infrastructure to build is still available in their sources, so its quite easy to apply your patch and build normal debian kernels
1253464277 M * FIChTe same goes for openvz
1253464357 M * trippeh I wonder how many virtualization technologies we run at work.
1253464425 M * trippeh container based (linux vserver, solaris containers), vmware, kvm, ibm power, sun ldom
1253464432 M * trippeh Hnngh :P
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1253467888 M * arekm Bertl: likely no maintainer looks for "years ago" patches
1253467904 M * arekm just like pld patches weren't merged with util-vserver ;P
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1253475240 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
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