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1249690270 J * mcs ~x3node@121-73-162-25.dsl.telstraclear.net
1249690306 M * mcs hey.. i have been using openvz but im not satisfied.. now i am exploring linx-vserver.. just created a centos vserver
1249690318 M * mcs how do i limit resources like ram and disk space?
1249690459 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Disk_Limits_and_Quota
1249690469 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Memory_Limits
1249690485 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Resource_Limits (in general)
1249690673 M * mcs Bertl, it doesnt show on free -m ? inside the guest it shows the host's ram
1249690760 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags (see VIRT_MEM)
1249690785 M * Bertl but probably we should start with you kernel/util-vserver version, just to check that you are not using outdated versions
1249690839 M * mcs 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1
1249691038 M * Bertl and util-vserver?
1249691344 M * mcs i think its the last one
1249691347 M * mcs installed via yum
1249691353 M * mcs form your repository
1249691366 M * Bertl try vserver-info - SYSINFO (upload to paste.linux-vserver.org)
1249691403 M * mcs util-vserver: 0.30.216-pre2793; Oct 11 2008, 15:49:2
1249691474 M * Bertl well, not the latest but should be fine
1249691822 M * mcs and is it possible to install like debian, slackware on a centos host Bertl ?
1249691882 M * Bertl sure, the guest distro does not depend on the host one
1249691890 M * mcs cool
1249691912 M * Bertl debian can be built via network, for slackware you have to check the wiki
1249691923 M * mcs alright
1249691972 M * Bertl but if all else fails, you can simply tar up an existing system (or use the rsync build method)
1249692026 M * mcs AndrewLee, is there any control panel available for vserver?
1249692034 M * mcs for admin or end user
1249692311 J * kgoetz kgoetz@203.209.167.143
1249692340 Q * kgoetz 
1249692496 J * Kamping_Kaiser kgoetz@203.209.167.143
1249692843 P * Kamping_Kaiser 
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1249694921 J * saulus ~saulus@c192050.adsl.hansenet.de
1249696785 J * vargadanis ~vargadani@catv-89-135-31-112.catv.broadband.hu
1249696942 M * vargadanis good evening... I suppose it is possible I just don't know how - yet. Is it possible to set up containers with complelty virtual IPs? Eg in 10.0.0.0/8? and then use nat or pat to redirect all incoming traffic based on domain name or port or whatever to a specific virtual IP?
1249696978 M * vargadanis I suppose I will have to use iptables for that, right?
1249697381 M * Bertl yes, actually this is a quite common and secure setup
1249697396 M * vargadanis http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests on this site there are 3 possibilities listed how one can solve a similar problem to mine... which solution is shown here after all? O_o
1249697415 M * Bertl you can then use SNAT and DNAT to map public IP/port pairs to your guests
1249697507 M * Bertl the problem with 'based on domain name' isn't easily solved via iptables though, as this requires a service to terminate on the public ip, and be proxied to a guest
1249697848 M * mcs Bertl, what is the difference between vserver and openvz ?
1249697982 M * vargadanis doh...
1249698001 M * vargadanis Bertl, I c... thank you
1249698016 M * Bertl mcs: well, Linux-VServer aims to be lightweight, unintrusive, fast and portable
1249698025 M * Bertl vargadanis: you're welcome!
1249698025 M * vargadanis mcs, I know what is the different between vserver and bsd jail :) vserver is jail on drugs :)
1249698058 M * Bertl mcs: it is also not tied to a company which tries to sell their commercial products :)
1249698077 M * mcs humm
1249698097 M * mcs how many guests do you think i could run on a quad core 2.4 8gb ram ?
1249698121 M * Bertl mainly depends on the guests, and your host kernel setup
1249698141 M * Bertl the range is probably between 10 and 10.000 
1249698156 M * mcs hum
1249698160 M * mcs good
1249698185 M * mcs I am about to setup a vps company.. have tried xen and openvz.. now trying vserver
1249698211 M * vargadanis Bertl, you'll luv vserver :) I fall in luv with it ... (also used openvz and xen)
1249698228 A * vargadanis isn't that super geniuos computer geek tho
1249698231 M * Bertl I already do :)
1249698252 M * mcs im just finding it harder to manage resources 
1249698264 M * Bertl how so?
1249698309 M * vargadanis Bertl, so if I follow this tutorial: http://linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests and apply the iptables rules, what happens to the services that are running on the host os? are they gonna be still avaliable?
1249698334 M * vargadanis Bertl, eg: I am planning to run 3 apaches in 2 vps and on the host 
1249698371 M * Bertl how many public IPs?
1249698378 M * vargadanis Bertl, 1
1249698382 M * vargadanis I only got one
1249698391 M * Bertl then you have to either use different ports, or a proxy
1249698424 M * Bertl there is no way that iptables can 'know' which IP the request is targeted to
1249698439 M * vargadanis getting complicated :) yes, that is what I have thought
1249698458 M * vargadanis alright, installing squid
1249698469 M * vargadanis or would you pick another proxy?
1249698473 M * Bertl a simple proxy, or even the apache on the host will do nicely
1249698501 M * Bertl just forward requests (going to the host apache, but with the wrong domain) to the guest IPs
1249698524 M * mcs does vserver use swap ?
1249698583 M * vargadanis i think it's the host OS's task
1249698592 M * mcs hum
1249698605 M * vargadanis to determine how much of the swap is being used... I think it's transparent for vserver guests
1249698624 M * vargadanis just like to any other processes on linux.. they think thats memory too
1249698640 M * mcs alright..
1249698651 M * vargadanis or did I say something stupid this time, Bertl 
1249698655 M * vargadanis ?
1249698687 M * mcs suppose I dont set any limits for cpu usage.. it will then be equal shared between the guests?
1249698751 M * Bertl reg swap: yes, swap is handled on the host, in a globally optimal way
1249698793 M * vargadanis mcs, I'd say that CPU usage will be divided up by the host OS again as if vps were processes
1249698793 M * Bertl without any limits (cpu wise) or assignments to a scheduler class, the processes will compete in a normal way (as on any linux system)
1249698827 M * vargadanis hehh :) I guess I got the feeling of vserver :)
1249698857 M * Bertl depending on the kernel version, you either use the TB extensions or the CFS to schedule guests (according to soft/hard limits or fair scheduling)
1249698885 M * mcs yes actually it seems that vserver is more flexible
1249698979 M * vargadanis Bertl, I suppose I don't need to set up dummy interfaces for each one of the guests on the host OS, right? the one dummy interface I set up serves as a 'gateway'?
1249698987 M * Bertl it is not just limited to VPS hosting, although that is one of the main usage cases
1249699045 M * Bertl vargadanis: there is no gateway, and none is needed .. traffic between guests (on the same host) or between host and guest will use 'lo' and the connection is direct (i.e. no additional network stack involved)
1249699110 M * vargadanis understood
1249699497 Q * vargadanis Read error: Connection reset by peer
1249701011 M * mcs Bertl, is there any panel/script to create and manage vservers?
1249701339 M * Bertl there are some projects listed on the wiki
1249701416 M * Bertl but as a management interface usually is part of the 'business concept' each company does their own adaptation
1249701429 M * mcs hum rite
1249701513 M * mcs would you recommend to compile the kernel manually Bertl ? instead of using yum
1249701547 M * mcs I mean, I want to make my server use all the resources so the guests can run smoothly 
1249701553 M * mcs or there isn't a difference
1249701618 M * Bertl yep, building the kernel youself is the advised way to go, this way you can adjust it to your needs (and even fine tune it)
1249701635 M * Bertl i.e. you do not want to include stuff you do not use ever for example
1249701672 M * mcs is there any reference on how to do this on the wiki?
1249701679 M * mcs sorry about these lame questions :P
1249701972 M * Bertl well, that depends on your host machine and hardware ... but usually walking through the kernel config (via make menuconfig) and selecting the things you need/want/have and removing the other junk is the way to go
1249701994 M * mcs i will give it a try :D
1249702006 M * Bertl will probably need one or two iterations to optimize the kernel for your system, but once it is done, you can use that config for upcoming kernels too
1249702023 M * mcs sweet
1249702217 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone! cya!
1249702224 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1249702274 M * mcs cya
1249706664 J * doener ~doener@i59F565F1.versanet.de
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1249717053 M * nkukard daniel_hozac, around?
1249718197 J * geb ~geb@46.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net
1249718845 J * philippe_De_Beste ~info@78-21-32-192.access.telenet.be
1249719118 J * Kmos ~gothicx@kmos.user.oftc.net
1249719119 J * Philippe2 ~info@78-21-32-192.access.telenet.be
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1249722296 J * krystian_ ~krystek_@ehg63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl
1249722298 M * krystian_ good morning!
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1249724556 M * theocrite Hi all.
1249724606 M * theocrite How does vserver ... rsync do exactly ? Does it just makes a rsync of /etc/vservers and /var/lib/vservers ? Or are there extra actions ?
1249724653 M * theocrite What if a command vserver ... rsync got interrupted, is there a way to recover it (like we do with rsync) ? With the same command ?
1249724682 M * theocrite And what if the command succeed, but there are updates on the source, should we use the same command to sync the datas or just a rsync ?
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1249726226 J * dothebart ~willi@xdsl-81-173-226-249.netcologne.de
1249726229 M * dothebart hy..
1249726512 M * dothebart i've got a problem with vserver enter/start not working for me anymore..
1249726552 M * dothebart its telling me Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "192.168.40.60/var/lib/vservers/dns".
1249726577 M * dothebart and...  'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting...
1249727466 M * krystian_ something is wrong in /etc/vservers/<name>/interfaces
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1249727962 M * krystian_ sshd[3589]: error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Permission denied, doh ..
1249728138 Q * nenolod Read error: Operation timed out
1249728225 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1249728268 M * dothebart krystian_: http://paste.debian.net/43664/
1249728288 M * dothebart was there a syntax change in these files?
1249728360 M * krystian_ hehe
1249728369 M * krystian_ should be 192.168.40.60/24
1249728377 M * krystian_ in 'ip' file
1249728386 M * krystian_ i guess....
1249728439 M * krystian_ it should be inet prefix, not prefix where you have your vserver ;)
1249728726 J * dna ~dna@55-197-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1249729175 M * dothebart ah, gracias.
1249729343 M * krystian_ :)
1249729460 M * dothebart hm. Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "192.168.40.60/24/dns".
1249729460 M * dothebart chbind: kernel does not provide network isolation
1249729559 M * krystian_ no idea, where "dns" did came from?
1249729890 M * krystian_ o
1249730458 M * dothebart its the name of the vserver...
1249730549 M * dothebart its inside of 1/prefix
1249730570 M * dothebart or should the 24 be in prefix?
1249730897 M * krystian_ i have /24 only and it works
1249730983 Q * krystian_ 
1249731195 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1249731201 M * Bertl morning folks!
1249731273 M * Bertl dothebart: 'ip' gets an 'ip' no netmask or prefix, those go into 'netmask' or 'prefix' ... understood?
1249731337 M * dothebart ok. hope so. 
1249731346 M * Bertl and no, there was no change in what those files should contain, and yes, your setup looks _very_ weird :)
1249731349 M * dothebart it had been working like that for a while now...
1249731359 M * Bertl probably by accident :)
1249731391 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html
1249731471 M * dothebart now I get https://tar.gzipped.org/webcit/readfwd
1249731478 M * dothebart ahgr.sanotreh
1249731481 M * dothebart http://paste.debian.net/43667/
1249732305 M * Bertl your upload showed that you have put the guest path in one of the interface files
1249732340 M * Bertl did you fix that already?
1249732363 M * Bertl also, what util-vserver version do you use?
1249732386 M * Bertl (and what kernel/patch version)
1249733776 J * geb ~geb@46.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net
1249734305 M * geb hi
1249734357 M * Bertl hi geb!
1249734446 M * geb :)
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1249742947 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180192065.adsl.alicedsl.de
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1249743910 M * theocrite So does anyone know if there is a way to resume a "vserver [something] build -m rsync" command aborted before it ended ?
1249743980 M * Bertl well, it is not 'planned' but there are ways
1249744012 M * Bertl the process consists of an rsync, the config creation and a guest cleanup
1249744045 M * Bertl depending on what failed, you can always rsync manually, then do the cleanup and/or create a template guest config
1249744048 M * theocrite So another rsync from /etc/vservers and another from /var/lib/vserver should be fine ?
1249744069 M * Bertl if you just want to 'move' a guest, that's the best way to do it anyways
1249744077 M * theocrite It may fail cause I'm running out of time or out of space so i'll have to continue later :)
1249744089 M * theocrite You mean the -m rsync is the best way ? 
1249744096 M * Bertl nope, manual rsync
1249744104 M * theocrite Ah ? Ok thank you.
1249744108 M * Bertl the rsync build method is not designed to move guests
1249744115 M * theocrite So i'll stop the vserver rsync then
1249744129 M * Bertl it is (as the 'build' part implies) designed to create a new guest from 'some' source
1249744136 M * theocrite Oh ? What is it for then ?
1249744137 M * theocrite Ok
1249744142 M * theocrite Thank you then.
1249744150 M * Bertl e.g. to build guests from 'real' systems
1249744153 M * theocrite I didn't use it that way :/
1249744167 M * theocrite Thank you very much for the info !
1249744176 M * Bertl I thought so, and I was surprised that it worked for you that well (as guest move mechanism :)
1249744227 M * Bertl nevertheless, a cross host guest move might be something daniel_hozac would consider worth adding (at some point), so maybe talk to him when he's around ...
1249744338 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@e180192065.adsl.alicedsl.de
1249744473 M * theocrite I'm not sure how well it works. I only used it to "clone" servers from a place wher I have Internet to a place where I don't have Internet. So from my lappy I can show "here is what the website (or whatever) will look like when you'll have Internet". I'm not sure if it's suitable for a production environement though.
1249744488 M * theocrite But I think some of my colleagues use it that way. I'll warn them.
1249744586 M * theocrite I'll talk to daniel_hozac when i'll have the chance to see (well through irc i man) him indeed. I do think this is a very useful feature.
1249744706 M * Bertl yes, I think a 'move' could work if util-vserver works on both ends, via some rsync-like protocol
1249744756 M * Bertl i.e. it could handle host-host differences (pathes, arch, etc) and ensure that the guest is moved properly .. but definitely needs some work
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1249745144 J * mxs mxs@p4FCCAF10.dip.t-dialin.net
1249745226 M * Bertl welcome mxs!
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