1249087209 J * zogthegrea ~bill@bas4-montreal28-1279578292.dsl.bell.ca
1249087237 M * zogthegrea hello, is ther anybody out there?
1249087347 M * daniel_hozac perhaps.
1249087407 M * zogthegrea sorry about the i have pink floud in my head
1249087490 M * zogthegrea trying to find out if vserver is a current project, that is, will it be maintained or is it dying?
1249087527 M * daniel_hozac it's maintained.
1249087550 M * zogthegrea i want to install webserver on centos 5.2
1249087582 M * daniel_hozac 5.2? 5.3 is the current 5.x.
1249087595 M * zogthegrea is vserver a good choice or should i try some thing else
1249087617 M * daniel_hozac for a webserver? i don't know what you're envisioning.
1249087716 M * zogthegrea my thinking is if i create a virtual machine and install my webserver on it, i can easily rebuild my server if i have problems
1249087729 M * daniel_hozac sure.
1249087739 M * daniel_hozac it also makes it easier to upgrade.
1249087755 M * daniel_hozac or try something new.
1249087776 M * zogthegrea i can also create a seperate virtual machine for web, ftp, pop and smtp
1249087831 M * zogthegrea btw, are you using *nix?
1249087856 M * daniel_hozac this is _Linux_-VServer, so... yes.
1249087948 M * zogthegrea sorry, stupid question, what are you using as a client? I am using mirc under wine, but having a lot a problems with keyboard input
1249087962 M * gnarface dude use xchat
1249087967 M * gnarface *sigh*
1249087973 M * daniel_hozac or irssi in screen.
1249087991 M * daniel_hozac or, if that's your thing, use emacs.
1249088036 M * gnarface hah no way
1249088038 M * gnarface brb
1249088049 M * zogthegrea I havent used irc since the 90's, for some reason, never used it under linux until now
1249088052 P * gnarface brb on emacs
1249088236 M * zogthegrea just installed xchat, be back soon
1249088239 Q * zogthegrea 
1249088271 M * theocrite There was someone I knew, that couldn't use anything else than mirc. He was and adminsys, didn't use Windows at home or at work, but still there was no way to make him switch. He'd rather keep using mirc thant trying to make use stop making fun at him.
1249088277 M * theocrite It was a nice guy though.
1249088288 J * zogthegreat ~bill@bas4-montreal28-1279578292.dsl.bell.ca
1249088315 M * theocrite Welcome back zogthegreat 
1249088342 M * zogthegreat thanks, this is much nicer than mirc
1249088360 M * theocrite How many webservers/hostname/virtualhosts/applications do you plan to use ? Is it for personal use or professional ? Will you have an important audience ?
1249088422 M * zogthegreat no, strictly for personal use/educational purpose's, (my education)
1249088423 M * theocrite Cause if it's the case, then it will be easier to use vservers for every vhost/software with a reverse proxy on top of it and configure/upgrade/delete/whatever without breaking anything around.
1249088427 M * theocrite ok
1249088435 M * theocrite Then use vserver, it's awesome ;)
1249088503 M * zogthegreat so i build a server, install virtual hosts for each application, i.e. one for web, on for ftp, etc.
1249088520 M * daniel_hozac we call them guests.
1249088545 M * zogthegreat where would you recommend to read up on seting up a reverse proxy?
1249088588 M * zogthegreat i just picked up the o'reilly dns and bind book
1249088591 M * daniel_hozac any website for that kind of service should do. pound is fairly popular, i think.
1249088631 M * theocrite For nginx, you can see this : http://kovyrin.net/2006/05/18/nginx-as-reverse-proxy/ (skip the part about static files and replace 127.0.0.1 by your guest ip)
1249088651 M * theocrite You can also put your reverse proxy in a guest.
1249088657 J * geb ~geb@earth.gebura.eu.org
1249088707 M * zogthegreat thanks, skimming the site right now
1249088716 M * theocrite pound seems nice too, didn't know it before. I guess I should try that someday.
1249088790 M * zogthegreat does what i want to do make sense? i think that it would be good for security/energy consumption
1249088820 M * daniel_hozac yes, i do that.
1249088844 M * daniel_hozac well, to some degree. i have all the kerberos services in one guest.
1249088857 M * zogthegreat also, can i get away with old hardware, i.e. dual pIII or should i use my dual xeon p4?
1249088901 M * daniel_hozac Linux-VServer doesn't require resources, so as long as you have enough to run your services, you're good.
1249088922 M * zogthegreat i would prefer to use the pIII, they only draw 27  watts
1249088973 M * zogthegreat since there will be a max of 5 users at any time, i don't really need anything heavy
1249089119 M * zogthegreat daniel, how do you have your host/guests setup?
1249089161 M * daniel_hozac what do you mean?
1249089225 M * zogthegreat you mentioned that you have kerberos services setup on one guest, are you running something similar to what i am trying to do?
1249089242 M * daniel_hozac i don't know what you are trying to do exactly.
1249089280 J * gnarface ~gnarface@dsl081-036-235.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1249089312 M * gnarface hah
1249089315 M * zogthegreat I want to have one server running all of my web services. So one guest for http, one for ftp one to handle a reverse proxy, etc.
1249089331 M * gnarface it totally works
1249089335 M * gnarface emacs irc client
1249089363 M * gnarface but the novelty wears off quickly
1249089376 M * gnarface leave #vserver
1249089378 M * zogthegreat also would it be safe to run a virtual samba server on the same machine?
1249089384 Q * gnarface 
1249089409 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1249089437 J * gnarface ~gnarface@dsl081-036-235.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1249089468 M * zogthegreat All of my data on my current samba server is on a raid 5 array that is seperate form my os hard drive, so would it be easy to mount under the virtual /dev ?
1249089576 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1249089635 M * daniel_hozac although there's no virtual /dev, you simply mount it straight into the guest's filesystem.
1249089683 M * zogthegreat where can i read up on how to secure vserver? or is it secure out of the box, i.e. will the other guest be secure from each other?
1249089694 M * daniel_hozac by default it's secure.
1249089749 M * zogthegreat would i harden the virtual machines? i was using bastille last time i tried
1249089763 M * daniel_hozac if you want, i suppose.
1249089781 M * zogthegreat ok, thanks for your help
1249089787 M * daniel_hozac IIRC, bastille will do all sorts of things you're not allowed to do in a guest though
1249089836 M * zogthegreat hmm, what do you recommend to secure the guest machines from hacking?
1249089854 M * Marillion none PHP
1249089858 M * daniel_hozac updating on a regular basis.
1249089874 M * daniel_hozac disabling every module you don't need.
1249089876 M * zogthegreat ?!?! that's it?
1249089895 M * daniel_hozac just, your basic sysadmin duties.
1249089896 M * gnarface well a couple defensive iptables rules to route traffic away from ports that shouldn't be open might be a good idea
1249089925 M * gnarface but in general if you don't have ports open for shit you're not using you're safe
1249089937 M * gnarface anyone you give a shell account to better be trustable though
1249089943 M * zogthegreat tthat one of the reasons i want to do virtual machines, this way each machine has only the services need open
1249089949 M * daniel_hozac easily accomplished by not running said services.
1249089950 Q * imcsk8 Read error: Operation timed out
1249089985 M * zogthegreat how about the host machine, what would you recommend for that?
1249089994 M * daniel_hozac don't run anything on it.
1249090000 M * daniel_hozac think of it as an administrative console.
1249090033 M * zogthegreat ok, so no iptables one the host, just what i need on the guests
1249090049 M * gnarface access host only by ssh and use public key auth with a password-encrypted private key
1249090064 M * theocrite You will most probably need iptables on the host.
1249090108 M * zogthegreat ok, i know how to do that, i was going to use centos, (i am used to it), i there another distro you would recommend? 
1249090121 M * gnarface i enjoy debian
1249090127 M * gnarface many do not
1249090138 M * hparker iptables on the host, logging from guest to the host to run fail2ban.. Not much else needed other than ssh
1249090139 M * daniel_hozac i'm a CentOS kind of guy.
1249090161 A * hparker is a Gentoo kinda guy 
1249090188 M * zogthegreat my son is using deb, i am using ubuntu on my desktop, (gave up on fedora), but cent for servers
1249090242 M * theocrite Then use either debian or fedora wheter you prefer deb or rpm.
1249090252 M * theocrite (debian or ubuntu, whatever)
1249090265 M * hparker use what you're comfortable with and know how to admin
1249090266 M * theocrite s/fedora/centos/
1249090338 M * theocrite zogthegreat: just choose your host carefully, afterwards, you'll be able to build debian/gentoo/centos/whatever as guests, whatever your host may be.
1249090554 M * zogthegreat doaes anyone have any suggestions where i can read more about setting up security properly?
1249090625 M * Marillion zogthegreat: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing
1249090641 M * hparker nothing answering on the host... (d|s)nat the guests, a little iptables foo and you're good for 99% of the stuff
1249090662 M * Marillion zogthegreat: and grsec patch, if you have ubtrust users
1249090662 M * hparker Allow ssh on the host via keys only
1249090681 M * Marillion s/ubtrust/untrust
1249090689 M * zogthegreat sorry for the silly question, but what is (d|s) nat?
1249090704 M * hparker dnat or snat, depending on your needs
1249090721 M * Marillion destination vs.source
1249090729 M * hparker I have guests that need one or the other, depends on your setup
1249090729 M * zogthegreat so only machines with the right key can ssh in, i assume?
1249090737 M * hparker Correct
1249090749 M * hparker Never ass u me :P
1249090786 M * hparker the biggest thing is play and learn
1249090793 M * zogthegreat roger that, had a drill sargent explain that to me years ago
1249090816 M * hparker Army or Marine?
1249090822 M * Marillion zogthegreat: source for INCOMING and destination for OUTGOING s far a way ;)
1249090823 A * hparker was a wimpy squid :P
1249090843 M * zogthegreat army, then air force
1249090853 M * hparker Ahh
1249090858 M * hparker got smarter :P
1249090874 M * zogthegreat Marillion, what do you mean please?
1249090920 M * Marillion zogthegreat: for your qestion by " (d|s) nat?"
1249090931 M * zogthegreat not really, joined the af when the were getting into having ground forces. they said, oh you were army, you get to go cammping again!
1249090952 M * gnarface http://www.acm.org/crossroads/xrds6-1/linuxsec.html
1249090952 M * gnarface ?
1249090963 M * zogthegreat source for INCOMING and destination for OUTGOING s far a way ;)
1249090965 M * hparker dnat... IPs on the guests are RFC1918... snat, IPs to te guests are !=RFC1918
1249091043 M * hparker s/te/the
1249091072 M * Marillion zogthegreat: sorry, nut english is not my preffered language
1249091080 M * Marillion s/nut/but
1249091120 M * hparker example.. I setup several guests, used RFC1918 addresses, squid as reverse proxy, etc.. I migrated a real server to a guest.. I used snat so I could use it's real IP without reconfiguring everything
1249091148 M * zogthegreat parle en francais?
1249091211 M * Marillion i? No, German
1249091239 M * hparker did that explanation help any?
1249091265 M * zogthegreat i was stationed in germany, but never learned to write the language, (could speak it a little)
1249091289 M * zogthegreat hparker: now i understand, (sort of) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFC_1918
1249091296 M * hparker ;)
1249091312 M * hparker dnat is what you're normal router does
1249091323 M * daniel_hozac no, that's SNAT.
1249091324 M * zogthegreat nice thing about linux, you just keep learning
1249091332 M * hparker daniel_hozac: ??
1249091341 M * daniel_hozac DNAT is what a "router" calls forwarding.
1249091349 M * theocrite There are a lot of french speaking people here. Maybe it's time to start a #vserver-fr :)
1249091354 M * hparker I don't pass real IPs through my home router :P
1249091364 M * daniel_hozac exactly.
1249091372 M * daniel_hozac it performs SNAT on your outbound interface.
1249091386 M * hparker Ok, you got me there
1249091409 M * Marillion zogthegreat: ah ok :)
1249091413 M * hparker But in iptables lingo it's not that way as I understand it
1249091428 M * hparker Or as I have it setup :P
1249091490 M * daniel_hozac it is.
1249091501 M * hparker I see
1249091514 A * hparker crawls back under his rock
1249091572 A * Marillion say gn8 at all
1249091600 M * zogthegreat hey, guten abent Marillion
1249091615 M * zogthegreat thanks for your help
1249091734 M * zogthegreat thanks to everyone for all of your assistance, got a lot of reading to do
1249091775 P * zogthegreat Ex-Chat
1249092049 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@e180192027.adsl.alicedsl.de
1249092370 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1249092482 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249094313 J * takeru ~takeru@nttkyo119073.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp
1249095944 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1249095956 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ
1249096075 Q * SauLus Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249096275 J * saulus ~saulus@c150240.adsl.hansenet.de
1249104484 J * scientes ~scientes@97-113-166-22.tukw.qwest.net
1249104555 M * Supaplex 7 days with little sleep makes one weak
1249107050 M * SpComb does
1249107060 M * SpComb or rather fuzzy-headed
1249107104 M * SpComb but I presume one notices it physically as well, depending on how you define little
1249107950 J * dna ~dna@55-197-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1249108441 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1249108917 J * Swords2 ~kohii@pool-71-112-25-59.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net
1249109029 Q * Swordsman Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249111300 M * Swords2 it seems I nearly have things working, I have gentoo installed on the host, and I'm using archlinux for the guest
1249111337 M * Swords2 the guest seems to start fine, I can enter it and do stuff
1249111372 M * Swords2 but after something like 10 to 30 seconds, it stops with the message "Killed"
1249111446 M * Swords2 even after it says it's "killed", I can still enter it and do stuff, but if I give it the stop command, it says the guest isn't running
1249112693 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249113379 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-54-73.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249115120 J * Kmos ~gothicx@kmos.user.oftc.net
1249115171 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1249115310 Q * allquixotic Remote host closed the connection
1249115327 J * allquixotic ~sean@pool-151-196-247-211.balt.east.verizon.net
1249116668 Q * geb Quit: /
1249118252 J * ktwilight_ ~keliew@132.249-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
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1249120536 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.43.204
1249120761 Q * Kmos Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249121133 J * Keeper opera@188.18.53.253
1249121251 J * Kmos ~gothicx@kmos.user.oftc.net
1249121500 M * Keeper Hi! I have a question begins one of the kernel code
1249121604 M * Keeper #define MS_RELATIME	(1<<21)	/* Update atime relative to mtime/ctime. */
1249121604 M * Keeper #define MS_KERNMOUNT	(1<<22) /* this is a kern_mount call */
1249121604 M * Keeper #define MS_I_VERSION	(1<<23) /* Update inode I_version field */
1249121604 M * Keeper #define MS_TAGGED	(1<<24) /* use generic inode tagging */
1249121604 M * Keeper #define MS_TAGID	(1<<25) /* use specific tag for this mount */
1249121606 M * Keeper #define MS_NOTAGCHECK	(1<<26) /* don't check tags */
1249121606 M * Keeper #define MS_STRICTATIME	(1<<24) /* Always perform atime updates */
1249121664 M * Keeper Is there something bad in terms of the number 24 occurs twice here?
1249121776 M * Keeper The official patch for the kernel is not suitable for my kernel, so I have corrected some strings
1249121821 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.198.243
1249121853 M * Keeper From that, and there the matter, thanks in advance for your reply
1249121878 M * bonbons Keeper: that looks like mainline has added MS_STRICTATIME with <<24 which linux-vserver used for MS_TAGGED ...
1249121904 M * bonbons this means that both DO clash and they need to be fixed. (also in util-vserver!)
1249122043 M * Keeper bonbons: This means that this option will not work
1249122046 M * bonbons so for linux-vserver MS_TAGGED, MS_TAG_ID, MS_NOTAGCHECK would each need to be shifted one bit more (and for util-vserver this must be corrected too, ideally with kernel version check so it works for older vserver patches)
1249122077 M * bonbons Keeper: it means that there will be confiusion beween STRICTATIME and TAGGED mount options
1249122126 Q * Swords2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249122166 M * bonbons e.g. when util-linux mount sets strictatime linux-vserver patch will consider tagged being set (same the other way around) [unless linux-vserver patch changes something in that area which I doubt, have not looked into it]
1249122187 M * Keeper bonbons: MS_TAGGED need for util-vserver?
1249122239 M * bonbons yes, MS_TAGGED, MS_TAGID and MS_NOTAGCHECK are linux-vserver specific (and set by util-vserver), they are used for context-tagging of files
1249122311 M * Keeper bonbons: So, for normal work, you can apply a patch to util-vserver
1249122318 M * bonbons for linux-vserver this is "ABI"-change triggered/forced by new mainline mount option (but that change seem to passed uncaught by Bertl_zZ)
1249122319 J * Swordsman ~kohii@pool-71-112-25-59.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net
1249122391 M * bonbons Keeper: if you don't use context-tagging you can ignore util-vserver I would say, if you do you will have to make sure util-vserver uses the same bits for MS_* flags as does the kernel
1249122455 M * bonbons daniel_hozac: what do you think about this clash between new MS_STRICTATIME from mainline clashing with MS_TAGGED?
1249122504 M * Keeper bonbons: Thanks for your reply, now I know where to find the second part of the problem
1249122675 M * Keeper bonbons: Then all will work if the value to another number and change it in the kernel and util-vserver
1249122736 M * Keeper bonbons: Am I right?
1249122800 M * bonbons Keeper: I would say so (well this bug ;)
1249122892 M * Keeper bonbons: I do not think that this is an error, it's just not a standard kernel ;)
1249123029 M * Keeper bonbons: But I think you should know
1249123150 M * Keeper bonbons: Thank you
1249123173 M * bonbons Keeper: you're welcome
1249124446 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249124632 M * Keeper bonbons: This is my error in the kernel of a patch placed this line, so it will look the source code may be possible to change this value
1249124735 M * bonbons Keeper: your best choice in adjusting the kernel is to change MS_TAGGED, MS_TAID, MS_NOTAGCHECK to be:
1249124751 M * bonbons #define MS_TAGGED (1<<25) /* use generic inode tagging */
1249124765 J * Piet ~piet@28IAABBKJ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1249124767 M * bonbons #define MS_TAGID (1<<26) /* use specific tag for this mount */
1249124778 M * bonbons #define MS_NOTAGCHECK (1<<27) /* don't check tags */
1249124826 M * bonbons (and for readability, move MS_STRICTATIME define just above MS_TAGGED define)
1249124861 M * Keeper bonbons: Change must be only in the kernel?
1249124920 M * bonbons required on kernel side, for util-vserver you probably should fix it up too (find MS_TAGGED and friends in there and adjust them too)
1249124968 M * bonbons just remember that if/when you adjust util-vserver it won't work with kernels that have a different numeric value for the MS_TAGGED & co defines
1249125061 M * Keeper bonbons: In other words, and in the kernel and the util-vserver value should be the same?
1249125128 M * bonbons Keeper: correct
1249125571 M * Keeper bonbons: Now, we still find the file, where value can be changed
1249126030 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk
1249126203 M * Keeper bonbons: Unfortunately, the code of util-vserver, I could not find a file which could change the value MS_TAGGED (((((((
1249126750 M * bonbons Keeper: then maybe util-vserver is not affected... (and can't touch the tagging FS mount option via mount(2))
1249126786 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave
1249126901 J * doener ~doener@i59F54A85.versanet.de
1249127484 Q * puck_ Quit: Client exiting
1249127485 M * blathijs bonbons: Keeper: You should probably just compile util-vserver, I expect it uses the kernel headers
1249127575 M * bonbons blathijs: possible but I don't remember telling it where the kernel is located... and if there is no reference to the define anyhow, then no need to care :)
1249127595 M * Keeper So is installed and check so quickly learned
1249127685 M * blathijs I think there are some default paths for kernel headers
1249127699 M * blathijs Debian has kernel-headers packages as well, but I think it also looks in /usr/src
1249127731 M * blathijs Or actually, it might use the source and build symlinks in /lib/modules/<version>/
1249127740 Q * nenolod Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249127774 M * blathijs OTOH, it might not, since that would complicate compiling util-vserver on a non-vserver kernel, I guess
1249127802 M * Keeper bonbons, blathijs: Thank you
1249127832 M * bonbons blathijs: well there are two options: use what is below /usr/include/linux/ but this is some mainline variant - and looking up source of running kernel via /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/... is bad as it would require target kernel running to build util-vserver
1249127878 M * bonbons blathijs: neither one makes sense here as you guessed
1249128167 Q * DLange Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249128419 J * DLange ~DLange@dlange.user.oftc.net
1249130563 J * docelic_ ~docelic@78.134.204.220
1249130942 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1249130946 M * Bertl morning folks!
1249130976 Q * docelic Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249131176 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249131363 M * Keeper Bertl: hi
1249131636 M * Bertl bonbons: what kernel is that which has the MS_TAGGED issue mentioned by you?
1249131843 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.24.238
1249131887 Q * nkukard Quit: Leaving
1249132121 M * Keeper Bertl: I would like to apply a patch to the kernel of Fedora 11
1249132189 M * Bertl okay, 'patch' is your friend?
1249132332 M * Keeper Bertl: No, we did not understand a little of each other
1249132394 M * Keeper Bertl: Vserver does not work on Fedora 11 kernel
1249132555 M * Bertl well, it is not designed for Fedora 11 kernels
1249132667 M * Keeper Bertl: I want to redo a bit, if there will be bugs in several files so that I think you can finish
1249132751 M * Bertl hmm? what's the point in doing a fedora 11 port? is fedora interested in including Linux-VServer now?
1249132898 M * Keeper Bertl: For myself and for friends who want to do, because the official support of Fedora 11 has no kernel for Vserver
1249132939 M * Bertl and what's the point in using the Fedora 11 kernel? I mean, how is it 'better' than e.g. the mainline kernels?
1249133125 M * Keeper Bertl: Only those that will be finished rpm package, the rest of the pros do not see... I like Gentoo Vserver and there is me and this is enough. But sometimes want diversity... ;)
1249133138 M * Wophon my efforts to build a vserver kernel lead to one that was not even able to access the sata disk containing the system
1249133169 M * Bertl Wophon: which just means, that you didn't configure the proper driver(s) :)
1249133187 M * Wophon yup :)
1249133226 M * daniel_hozac Keeper: you can make an rpm package without patching the Fedora kernel.
1249133323 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: So if you do not succeed to make an official Fedora kernel
1249133352 M * daniel_hozac Fedora won't incorporate Linux-VServer.
1249133401 M * Bertl Keeper: there is no point in creating patched kernels for each distro, this has only disadvantages and quickly becomes a maintainance hell
1249133451 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: But for myself and the community can be done separately as you did on your site
1249133508 M * daniel_hozac so me saying it's not a good idea should probably carry some weight.
1249133508 M * daniel_hozac :)
1249133552 M * Keeper Bertl: So better to make the standard kernel + Vserver and all it's rpm package
1249133609 M * Bertl yep, that is quite simple and produces a well known and tested kernel
1249133819 M * Keeper Bertl, daniel_hozac: Thank you for your advice and try with the official and the standard
1249133853 Q * balbir_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1249133944 M * Keeper Bertl, daniel_hozac: The sake of interest, just interesting how it works
1249134089 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: Your site standard kernel + Vserver?
1249134229 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249134498 M * Keeper Bertl: Fedora developers have refused to include Vserver in the official archive rpm packages?
1249134566 M * daniel_hozac they won't include anything external.
1249134647 M * daniel_hozac my centos 5 repository has a vanilla 2.6.22-vs2.3 kernel.
1249134811 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.8.242
1249134822 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: Well when you have a choice :)
1249135086 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249135351 J * ghislainocfs22 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249135371 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249135508 M * Keeper Placed on a standard kernel, fewer problems
1249135570 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249135800 M * Keeper Thank you all, and good luck
1249135814 Q * Keeper Quit: Keeper
1249136506 Q * takeru Quit: takeru
1249136632 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl
1249136708 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1249136765 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249137066 Q * ghislainocfs22 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1249137730 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249137834 Q * fback_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249137842 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249138056 J * fback fback@red.fback.net
1249138105 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249138174 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249138415 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249138596 Q * Mr_Smoke Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249138784 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249138789 Q * ghislainocfs2 
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1249140249 J * takeru ~takeru@nttkyo119073.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp
1249140397 Q * mxs Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249144636 J * ousado_ ~johnny@p5B3C1973.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1249144664 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-29-237.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249144717 J * larsivi ~larsivi@70.84-48-63.nextgentel.com
1249145062 Q * ousado Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249145914 Q * fosco Remote host closed the connection
1249145937 J * fosco fosco@marx.wirefull.org
1249146048 J * SHINSAKU ~Shinsaku@chello084010157123.chello.pl
1249147718 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1249148445 Q * docelic_ Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/
1249150348 Q * takeru Quit: takeru
1249151017 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249151055 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74
1249151485 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1249151987 Q * nkukard Remote host closed the connection
1249152172 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1249152398 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1249152411 M * Bertl back now ...
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1249155470 J * nou Chaton@causse.larzac.fr.eu.org
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1249155470 J * zbyniu ~zbyniu@ip-62.181.188.13.static.crowley.pl
1249155470 J * nox ~nox@nox.user.oftc.net
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1249155470 J * sladen_ ~paul@jasmine.wyrdweb.com
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1249157724 J * fosco fosco@marx.wirefull.org
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1249157724 J * mxs_ mxs@p4FCCBA29.dip.t-dialin.net
1249157724 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.8.242
1249157724 J * doener ~doener@i59F54A85.versanet.de
1249157724 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1249157724 J * theocrite ~Robert@kim.theocrite.org
1249157724 J * sladen paul@starsky.19inch.net
1249157724 J * cehteh ~ct@pipapo.org
1249157724 J * jpic ~jpic@chocolatpistache.com
1249157724 J * harry ~harry@d51A461B4.access.telenet.be
1249157724 J * mcp ~mcp@wolk-project.de
1249157724 J * AndrewLee ~andrew@u7.hlc.edu.tw
1249157724 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.160.26
1249157724 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1249157724 J * maharaja raoul@93-189-26-52.rev.ipax.at
1249157724 J * matthew-_ ~ms@ns2.wellquite.org
1249157724 J * arachnist arachnist@smierc.net
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1249157724 J * _nono_ ~gomes@libation.ircam.fr
1249157724 J * FIChTe fichte@bashpipe.de
1249159055 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@p5B23DD99.dip.t-dialin.net
1249159663 Q * scientes Remote host closed the connection
1249161060 J * scientes ~scientes@97-113-166-22.tukw.qwest.net
1249163412 J * dna ~dna@55-197-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1249163742 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1249163888 Q * geb Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1249164445 J * Hurga nobody@dslb-088-078-051-239.pools.arcor-ip.net
1249165125 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer
1249165215 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-32-213.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1249165666 M * Hurga Hi, guys.
1249165673 A * Hurga feels the pulse of the channel
1249165951 J * FireEgl FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com
1249166057 Q * FireEgl 
1249166333 J * FireEgl Proteus@WTF.4.1.0.c.0.7.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa
1249166388 Q * Kmos Quit: return unless user.signoff?
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1249167376 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk
1249167515 Q * BenG 
1249170178 Q * nkukard Quit: Leaving
1249170333 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74
1249170632 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1249171148 Q * Radiance Quit: changing servers