1248829581 Q * ghislainocfs2 Read error: Connection reset by peer
1248829986 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248830489 J * scientes__ ~scientes@97-113-166-22.tukw.qwest.net
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1248832531 J * Piet ~piet@28IAAA8WT.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1248833569 J * padde ~padde@patrick-nagel.net
1248833969 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
1248833973 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1248836456 J * saulus_ ~saulus@c150210.adsl.hansenet.de
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1248842639 J * doener_ ~doener@i59F54FC3.versanet.de
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1248844983 J * tbenita ~tbenita@LMontsouris-152-61-29-106.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1248845460 J * Piet ~piet@28IAAA8Y5.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1248846287 J * gnarface ~gnarface@dsl081-036-235.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1248846319 J * gate_keeper_ ~gk@62.162.38.90
1248846373 M * gnarface so i was compiling 2.6.29.5-vs2.3.0.36.14 
1248846400 M * gnarface i did my best at a configuration but i'm looking for advice about whether i need POSIX acl's enabled on my filesystems
1248846405 M * gnarface and stuff
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1248848534 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.64.111
1248848755 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.85.196.112
1248848991 J * ex ex@valis.net.pl
1248849392 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A5EC.access.telenet.be
1248849986 Q * geb_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248851177 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71
1248851943 J * scientes__ ~scientes@97-113-166-22.tukw.qwest.net
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1248853671 J * esa ~esa@host200-9-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it
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1248856588 J * tbenita ~tbenita@men13-6-88-182-112-162.fbx.proxad.net
1248856773 N * micah_ micah
1248857533 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1248857605 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1248858279 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk
1248858494 P * lukhas ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)
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1248858710 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-226-49.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net
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1248860978 J * Shinsaku ~Shinsaku@chello084010157123.chello.pl
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1248863102 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1248863494 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1248863499 M * Bertl morning folks!
1248863506 M * BWare morning
1248863529 M * Bertl gnarface: do you want to use posix acls on the host or the guest?
1248863620 M * gnarface um morning Bertl 
1248863625 M * gnarface i dunno, do i?
1248863632 M * gnarface i'm not interested in using selinux
1248863635 M * gnarface what else would need them?
1248863654 M * gnarface are they even the same type of acl's?
1248863660 M * gnarface extended attributes are for lvm right?
1248863723 M * Bertl hmm, well, I'd suggest you either read the help and/or google for this stuff or alternatively use the default (or simply disable stuff you know you do not use)
1248863824 M * Bertl lvm doesn't use any filesystem attributes, selinux can (and often does) use acls or ea
1248863958 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving
1248864600 M * gnarface i intend to
1248864677 M * gnarface can you tell me if seeing the big B when i run showattrs on my vservers directory means there's kernel support for the xattrs needed?
1248864850 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1248864940 M * Bertl xattrs and extended attributes are two different things, you need xattrs for stuff like the barrier (the big B :) to work, but not extended attributes (EA)
1248865306 M * gnarface hmm.
1248865312 M * gnarface thats an option on each filesystem right?
1248865314 M * gnarface in the kernel?
1248865332 M * gnarface would having that not set right cause the vserver to silently fail to start?
1248865644 M * Bertl nope, even if your filesystem doesn't have any attributes, a guest would startup properly ... any specific case where your guest fails to start?
1248865692 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@adsl2.aqueos.com
1248865959 M * gnarface one freshly created debian sid jail
1248866060 M * Bertl what is your kernel/patch and util-vserver version?
1248866089 M * blathijs Anyone here can motivate why the switch between internal/external package management is done in vsomething instead of in vapt-get directly? It looks rather ugly right now, with lots of environment variables passing around and vsomething doing possibly unpexected things?
1248866167 M * Bertl what if you switch between internal and external for rpm?
1248866283 M * blathijs Then you can check for that in vrpm, or whatever it is?
1248866389 M * Bertl well, have a chat with daniel_hozac about implementation details ... best provide a patch (and some test results) too
1248866403 M * blathijs I would suggest adding a --namespace-only flag to vsomething, instead of the env variable stuff that happens now
1248866416 M * blathijs (though --namespace-only is probably a bad name :-)
1248866447 M * blathijs Not sure if I care enough to provide a patch, though :-p
1248866469 M * blathijs I do have a patch to make vsomething work when calling it directly though
1248866477 M * blathijs It seems that was broken in latest svn
1248866496 M * gnarface Bertl: v2.6.29.5-vs2.3.0.36.14
1248866501 M * blathijs I guess vsomething isn't really used often apart from other util-vserver tools :-)
1248866547 M * blathijs Seems it has been broken at least since r1814, four years ago :-)
1248866612 M * gnarface Bertl: util-vserver 0.30.216~r2842-2 (debian sid)
1248866659 M * Bertl and that fails to build a working debian guest?
1248866685 M * gnarface no no it builds the guest
1248866698 M * gnarface the guest just doesn't start
1248866737 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248866755 M * gnarface i'm going to try one created from an rsync of an existing machine
1248866770 M * Bertl okay, so, as you said, you don't get an error message ... which suggests, that the guest actually starts, but immediately stops again
1248866813 M * gnarface quite possibly 
1248866817 M * gnarface here's what i get from -v
1248866833 M * gnarface New network context is 42
1248866834 M * gnarface Adding 127.0.0.1 192.168.1.31
1248866834 M * gnarface New security context is 42
1248866842 M * gnarface just those three lines
1248866847 M * gnarface otherwise its completely silent
1248866861 M * gnarface you might almost think it worked except it clearly is not running
1248866889 M * Bertl this usually happens when there isn't any service enabled inside the guest .. which shouldn't happen with util-vserver that recent
1248866922 M * blathijs IIRC it should at least start rsyslog on new vservers?
1248866936 M * Bertl yep
1248866958 M * Bertl but maybe debian messed up again with the new package 
1248866979 M * Bertl gnarface: btw, what is your build line for that guest?
1248867198 M * gnarface vserver [ghost] build -m debootstrap --context 42 --hostname [ghost.vdomain] --interface eth1:192.168.1.31/24 -- -d sid -m [mirror]
1248867249 M * gnarface i used the kernel.org mirror
1248867275 M * Bertl interesting ... why is the 127.0.0.1 added to the guest at startup?
1248867289 M * gnarface huh oh i added that
1248867298 M * gnarface i can put it back
1248867304 M * gnarface i thought maybe it would work if it had a localhost
1248867319 M * gnarface i dunno why
1248867330 M * Bertl it doesn't make sense, what you want is to disable the single_ip special casing 
1248867331 M * gnarface they're there automatically in lenny, aren't they?
1248867346 M * gnarface they appear on my lenny box and i don't think i put them there myself on that one...
1248867377 M * gnarface huh? disable the what now?
1248867429 M * Bertl I presume your kernel has AUTO_SINGLE_IP enabled, which results in setting the single_ip nflag in a guest with a single IP (sounds logical doesn't it :)
1248867443 M * gnarface yea 
1248867446 M * gnarface where is that?
1248867460 M * gnarface VSERVER_AUTO_SINGLE?
1248867467 M * Bertl if you now want to use 127.0.0.1 (actually a second IP) you need to put ~single_ip (negated single_ip) in the nflags of your guest
1248867512 M * gnarface ah!
1248867598 M * Bertl but that shouldn't affect the guest startup
1248867627 M * gnarface hmm.
1248867630 M * gnarface out of curiosity though,
1248867646 M * gnarface thats Automatic Single IP Special Casing in the kernel config now?
1248867656 M * Bertl yep
1248867670 M * gnarface i have it and Automatically Assign Loopback IP checked
1248867695 M * gnarface Linux VServer
1248867700 M * gnarface under Linux VServer
1248867701 M * Bertl which is a sane default
1248867719 M * Bertl (unless you have only single IP guests and want an isolated loopback)
1248867776 M * gnarface ok
1248867788 M * blathijs Hmm, never mind that patch I had. Just found out that I was trying to "fix" the intended behaviour, I was just confused by my expectations that happened to match the packagemanagement special casing in vsomething :-)
1248868072 M * gnarface i had a question about contexts too
1248868089 M * gnarface should i make them all the same or all different?
1248868091 M * gnarface for my guests?
1248868108 M * Bertl they should be unique for each guest (at least on the same host)
1248868155 M * gnarface ok
1248868256 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
1248868262 P * kir 
1248868339 J * Piet ~piet@28IAAA88E.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
1248868535 M * gnarface ok this is werid
1248868541 M * gnarface the one i made from an rsync of a lenny machine
1248868562 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving.
1248868568 M * gnarface it seemed to hang on "Starting kernel log daemon..."
1248868595 M * gnarface so i killed it then it ... started
1248868618 M * Bertl which is expected, unless you enable the proper virtualization or even better disable klogd (which doesn't make sense in a guest)
1248868638 M * Bertl note, this is something the post-install scripts are supposed to do for you
1248868649 M * gnarface ah
1248868650 M * gnarface hmm.
1248868685 M * gnarface when you say "enable proper virtualization"
1248868691 M * gnarface ...
1248868756 M * gnarface hmm.
1248868757 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags (in this case SYSLOG)
1248869293 M * gnarface so i should disable klogd in the guest
1248869310 M * Bertl yep, nothing to log there (from the kernel)
1248869415 M * gnarface sysklogd?
1248869418 M * gnarface klogd?
1248869420 M * gnarface both?
1248869427 M * Bertl syslog is fine
1248869548 Q * tbenita Quit: Ex-Chat
1248869553 M * gnarface whats the difference
1248869553 M * gnarface ?
1248869574 M * Bertl syslog does logging from userspace, klog does logging from kernel space
1248869609 M * gnarface but they're only related to kernel logging?
1248869618 M * gnarface ok
1248869623 M * arekm and would be nice if vserver provided fake /proc/kmsg 
1248869640 M * Bertl that's what the syslog virtualization does (see above)
1248869745 A * arekm doesn't see any flag that enables /proc/ksmg on caps and flags page
1248870008 M * gnarface hmm.
1248870036 M * gnarface well after changing the fstab and shutting off both klogd AND sysklogd the rsynced lenny guest starts correctly and seems to work
1248870126 M * gnarface so what do i do to fix the sid one?
1248870219 M * Bertl probably select a service which keeps running
1248870230 M * Bertl note that util-vserver should have done that for you
1248870256 M * Bertl (so it might make sense to try with mainline util-vserver instead of the debian one, and if that fails too, report a bug)
1248870261 M * gnarface can i just chroot into the vdir and do that?
1248870290 M * Bertl yes, or use the rescue mode
1248870312 M * gnarface ah 
1248870315 M * gnarface good idea
1248870399 M * Bertl arekm: /proc/kmsg is implemented via syslog, so that should be covered with the SYSLOG capability, please let me know if that doesn't work for you
1248870458 M * arekm Bertl: but if I understand syslog virtualization means "host syslog is available for guests" which is not what I want
1248870508 M * Bertl nope, it just means that you get nothing from the kernel (i.e. a dummy)
1248870535 M * arekm aha, then I don't understand why this is even optional 8)
1248870576 M * Bertl because there is no point in having a process lingering in your guest (consuming resources) just doing nothing
1248871245 M * gnarface Bertl: echo ~SINGLE_IP >> /etc/vservers/[guest]/nflags 
1248871250 M * gnarface like that?
1248871256 M * Bertl yep
1248871261 M * gnarface then what?
1248871266 M * Bertl restart the guest
1248871281 M * gnarface should i take out the lo entries i added manually?
1248871287 M * Bertl definitely
1248872428 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.27.201
1248872908 M * gnarface vserver [guest] start --rescue?
1248873135 M * Bertl yep, for example
1248873199 M * gnarface hmm. how long should it take?
1248873203 M * gnarface it seems to just hang too
1248873349 M * Bertl well, it cannot circumvent any endless loops or waits in the guest startup, it is more intented to do some rescue stuff if the guest startup fails 
1248873370 M * Bertl (note: a guest startup which 'hangs' hasn't failed yet :)
1248873463 M * gnarface fair enough
1248873475 M * gnarface well it starts with vserver [guest] --rescue --rescue-init
1248873482 M * gnarface --rescue alone doesn't seem to start it
1248873488 M * gnarface but now like
1248873503 M * gnarface its running but it doesn't even have apt-get installed
1248873715 M * gnarface so if it doesn't even have apt on it what do i do?
1248873827 M * daniel_hozac how did you build a guest without apt on it?
1248873836 M * gnarface good question
1248873862 M * gnarface should i have just installed from lenny then upgraded?
1248873878 M * gnarface i always have worse luck installing sid
1248874070 M * gnarface is there a way to pick some packages to install automatically?
1248874099 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.206.105
1248874240 J * allquixotic ~sean@pool-151-196-247-211.balt.east.verizon.net
1248875091 J * ViRUS ~mp@p579B5BA6.dip.t-dialin.net
1248875140 M * Bertl gnarface: somehow I suspect that your (the new one from debian) util-vserver is not working as expected (or at least is missing some post processing scripts)
1248875194 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: do you know anything about the 0.30.216-pre2842 debian release? micah?
1248875773 M * daniel_hozac not too much.
1248875890 M * gnarface alright
1248875894 M * gnarface i've been up too long
1248875897 M * gnarface thanks for all your help
1248875916 M * gnarface i'm gonna pass out then try compiling a fresh util-vserver when i wake up i guess
1248875952 M * Bertl k, sweet dreams
1248876005 P * gnarface Leaving
1248876060 Q * allquixotic Quit: Ex-Chat
1248876844 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat
1248877099 J * Shuro ~jg2@81.89.253.146
1248877232 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl
1248877237 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1248877254 M * Shuro Hello, i have a Debian-vServer-Template on an Gentoo vHost, a vServer-build works fine, but the build-command delete the /dev folder of the template. it is possible to stop /dev delete?
1248877376 M * daniel_hozac --nodevsanity
1248877383 M * Shuro Because my Debian-Template need a symlink from /dev/fd/ to /proc/self/fd/  for bash-completion
1248877600 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248877924 M * Shuro daniel_hozac: thanks
1248878145 J * esa` ~esa@host236-238-dynamic.50-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it
1248878156 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248878488 M * Shuro daniel_hozac: where i can find this parameter? i found nothing in vserver help and man vserver 
1248878521 M * daniel_hozac vserver - build --help
1248878592 M * Shuro daniel_hozac: mhhh, there is nothing about nodevsanity
1248878887 J * shuri ~shuri@64.235.209.226
1248878900 M * shuri hi there
1248878913 M * daniel_hozac Shuro: okay, i'll add it.
1248879051 M * shuri i got a trange probem with one of my server running vserver
1248879094 M * shuri When adding  new ip to vserver X the ip is not visible in the vserver 
1248879113 M * shuri No visible in the host
1248879118 M * Shuro daniel_hozac: thx and good bye
1248879121 P * Shuro 
1248879122 M * shuri but can be ping and is link the vserver X
1248879352 M * shuri anybody ?
1248879507 M * blathijs shuri: How did you add the IP?
1248879616 M * BWare try checking with `ip addr` instead of `ifconfig`
1248879685 Q * gate_keeper_ Remote host closed the connection
1248879911 M * shuri humm you are right ip is visible with ip addr on the host
1248879966 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74
1248880019 M * shuri also visible on the vserver with ip addrr 
1248880102 M * shuri strange
1248880206 M * daniel_hozac what is?
1248880395 M * shuri is trange that ifconfig do no show ip but ip adrr yes
1248880443 M * daniel_hozac it's really not.
1248880453 M * daniel_hozac ifconfig uses an API that's been deprecated for year.
1248880803 J * mxs mxs@p4FCCB432.dip.t-dialin.net
1248880817 J * laurent ~lau@AToulouse-157-1-77-230.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr
1248880841 M * laurent hi, i have 3 vserver running on a machine
1248880866 M * laurent if i update the machine os, are the vservers updated too ?
1248880885 M * laurent or do i have to specifically update each vserver separately ?
1248881046 M * daniel_hozac you have to update them all.
1248881117 Q * mxs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248881349 M * laurent t/win 12
1248881360 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1248881463 M * laurent ok daniel_hozac, do you have any idea why i get a "fopen: Permission denied" when i update a vs ?
1248881564 J * geb_ ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-54-73.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1248881651 M * daniel_hozac laurent: Debian?
1248881687 M * laurent yes daniel_hozac 
1248881721 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c145222.adsl.hansenet.de
1248881749 M * arachnist shuri: iputils2 uses a kernel interface that is somewhat newer than what ifconfig and other legacy utils use.
1248881865 M * daniel_hozac laurent: probably your attributes got all messed up from Debian picking... less than ideal patches.
1248882068 M * laurent daniel_hozac: are you pointing me out these http://linux-vserver.org/Filesystem_attributes ?
1248882741 Q * geb_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248883151 J * harry ~harry@d51A461B4.access.telenet.be
1248883184 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1248883452 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1248884279 Q * esa` Quit: Coyote finally caught me
1248884846 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat
1248885456 J * ousado_ ~johnny@p5B3C145E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
1248885865 Q * ousado Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248885954 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1248886603 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1248886606 M * Bertl back now ...
1248887688 J * larsivi ~larsivi@0xc2efec01.hotspot.tele.dk
1248887787 Q * Shinsaku Read error: Connection reset by peer
1248887864 Q * gnuk Quit: NoFeature
1248888081 Q * yang Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248889035 J * yang ~yang@yang.netrep.oftc.net
1248889181 M * laurent daniel_hozac: i fixed my issue on debian
1248889204 M * laurent daniel_hozac: had to chown -R man:root /var/cache/man as root
1248889255 M * laurent i am guessing the creation of a vs on debian put all / as root:root ownage <- just a suggestion :)
1248889287 M * daniel_hozac that's up to debootstrap.
1248889288 M * laurent will try to ping the debian package maintainer ...
1248889310 M * laurent ah ?
1248889325 M * daniel_hozac util-vserver doesn't touch ownership.
1248889335 M * Bertl maybe some uid/gid 16/32 issue? (just an idea)
1248889336 M * daniel_hozac so either debootstrap or apt failed you there.
1248889346 M * laurent k
1248889476 M * ard laurent : what kernel are you running? 2.6.30.2-2.3.0.36.14pre3 perhaps?
1248889494 M * ard although fopen should not be a problem
1248889550 M * ard then again, it just might be a debian dist-upgrade problem
1248889557 A * ard didn't see one
1248889737 M * laurent 2.6.26 ard why ?
1248889773 M * Bertl yeah, the 'known-to-be-broken' kernel, as usual :)
1248889774 M * laurent i did not dist upgrade since i vserves the machine, if that can help :)
1248889784 M * laurent :) Bertl 
1248889863 M * ard laurent : hmmm, then it just might be a debian debootstrap bug or a debian upgrade bug
1248890121 J * geb_ ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-54-73.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
1248890139 M * laurent ard: you are probably right, i am noobing here, the machine (host os) as the correct ownership for /var/cache/man but the vservers dont...
1248892306 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A2D7.access.telenet.be
1248894692 J * scientes__ ~scientes@97-113-166-22.tukw.qwest.net
1248900381 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone!
1248900384 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1248900602 J * jpic ~jpic@chocolatpistache.com
1248900621 M * jpic hi, i need help to figure what's actually the best solution for X
1248900656 J * gnarface ~gnarface@dsl081-036-235.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net
1248900661 M * gnarface good morning people
1248900690 M * gnarface so if the latest debian sid util-vserver package is borked and won't make guests right,
1248900690 M * jpic good night from Spain xD
1248900706 M * gnarface which version of util-vserver should i build from source to replace it?
1248900708 M * gnarface hah 'night jklblerf 
1248900712 M * gnarface i mean jpic
1248901389 J * ktwilight ~keliew@108.72-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1248901781 M * gnarface hmm.
1248901815 M * gnarface debian's own vserver tools package warns not to try building sid
1248902107 J * uva bno@118-168-236-151.dynamic.hinet.net
1248902517 Q * uva_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248902734 M * gnarface ok good news vserver-debiantools package works fine 
1248902747 M * gnarface though i didn't try building sid at all cause it warned not to
1248902762 M * gnarface i wonder if debootstrap is still just broken for doing this with sid and its not util-vserver at all?
1248903149 M * jpic the best solution for X is Xvfb
1248903166 M * gnarface ?
1248903172 M * gnarface xvfb
1248903173 M * gnarface ?
1248903619 Q * shuri Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1248903798 Q * ViRUS Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison)
1248903860 M * gnarface oh i think i got you
1248903865 M * gnarface yea that makes sense
1248905385 J * mib_ujk81r2n 7384908d@webchat.mibbit.com
1248905538 Q * mib_ujk81r2n 
1248905963 Q * doener_ Quit: leaving
1248907898 Q * docelic Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/
1248910876 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection