1247098276 J * geb ~geb@glo44-4-82-239-68-35.fbx.proxad.net 1247098375 M * geb hi 1247098821 Q * geb Quit: / 1247098945 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247101330 J * ViRUS_ ~mp@p579B4880.dip.t-dialin.net 1247101494 Q * nenolod Remote host closed the connection 1247101547 Q * ViRUS Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison) 1247101754 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org 1247102757 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1247103893 N * `6og vk5foss 1247104131 Q * ViRUS_ Quit: If there is Artificial Intelligence, then there's bound to be some artificial stupidity. (Thomas Edison) 1247104198 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.83.205 1247104578 Q * nenolod Quit: my eyes cannot compute this misery. 1247104587 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org 1247104627 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1247104682 Q * nenolod 1247104690 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org 1247104695 J * Piet_ ~piet@659AAA0AN.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1247105016 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247106212 N * Piet_ Piet 1247108185 J * anonc ~anonc@staffnet.internode.com.au 1247108434 J * saulus_ ~saulus@c207174.adsl.hansenet.de 1247108712 M * anonc quick heads for those trying to debootstrap vservers with util-vserver-0.30.215. Debootstrap changed the 'repeat' keyword to 'repeatn' because of a clash with zsh (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=340058). Changing the three instances of 'repeat' to 'repeatn' in the /usr/lib/util-vserver/distributions//debootstrap.script make the vserver debootstrap build method work with recent versions of debootstrap (1.0.11 and new 1247108845 Q * SauLus Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247108850 N * saulus_ SauLus 1247109126 M * vk5foss interesting change. 1247112675 Q * ensc|w Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247115686 Q * gate_keeper_ Quit: Leaving 1247119094 Q * balbir_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247119441 J * doener ~doener@i59F561D8.versanet.de 1247124121 Q * eyck Remote host closed the connection 1247126178 P * anonc adios 1247126207 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1247126574 J * thierryp ~thierry@zanzibar.inria.fr 1247126774 J * gate_keeper_ ~gk@62.162.38.90 1247127018 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247127469 J * esa bip@62.123.14.177 1247128055 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1247128065 Q * allquixotic Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247129547 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1247129609 P * kir 1247130969 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1247131666 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247131841 J * hijacker ~hijacker@213.91.163.5 1247131909 Q * ktwilight_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247131937 J * ktwilight_ ~keliew@66.250-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247132359 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-140-89.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net 1247132397 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1247132463 Q * _nono_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247132839 Q * friendly Remote host closed the connection 1247133962 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1247134018 J * _nono_ ~gomes@libation.ircam.fr 1247134074 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1247134079 M * Bertl morning folks! 1247134108 J * dna ~dna@128-205-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de 1247134169 M * fback hello Bertl! :) 1247134391 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk 1247134427 J * mxs mxs@p4FCC9B2D.dip.t-dialin.net 1247134681 J * eyck K2kybfV2@nat06.nowanet.pl 1247134735 Q * mxs_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247135075 J * FireEgl FireEgl@Sebastian.FireEgl.Com 1247135299 J * ktwilight__ ~keliew@208.2-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247135717 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247136831 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1247136856 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247138170 Q * docelic_ Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1247138907 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1247140014 J * allquixotic ~sean@pool-70-17-238-89.balt.east.verizon.net 1247140446 N * pmenier_off pmenier 1247140656 J * marl_scot ~marl_scot@78.149.52.103 1247140855 M * marl_scot hi folks, am using vserver 2.2.0.6, and am trying to get an asterisk server running, have got it going, but am finding very poor audio quality, is there any command i can run to see how muh cpu time a vserver is getting, and how would i increase the time allocated? (not sure if cpu time is what i should be looking at) 1247140909 M * marl_scot the server is an smp server, would happilly give asterisk a cpu to itselve, if that would help 1247140936 M * daniel_hozac unless you've specifically configured it to be limited, it's getting as much time as it needs, provided the host or other guests aren't doing stuff too. 1247140975 M * marl_scot the host is doing nothing, and the other guests are doing very little :( 1247141011 M * pmjdebruijn marl_scot: isn't this just a asterisk configuration issue 1247141025 M * Bertl first, 2.2.0.6 is quite old, second, you might have some latency issues 1247141035 M * marl_scot have copied the asterisk config from a dedicated server that works without any problems 1247141062 M * marl_scot latency in the server itself, or network latency? 1247141070 M * Bertl you could try running it from a chroot (carefully, no isolation there) and see if that helps 1247141090 M * Bertl if it indeed does help, you have some config issues (low priority, etc) 1247141115 M * Bertl (just to rule out Linux-VServer as a potential issue) 1247141138 M * marl_scot was trying to avoid running anything on the host :( is there a way to stop the vserver and use its directory as a chroot dir? 1247141149 M * Bertl that's what I was suggesting 1247141153 M * marl_scot to avoid havng to setup asterisk on the host 1247141156 M * marl_scot ah, sorry 1247141261 M * pmjdebruijn marl_scot: you could be asking yourself, do you want to run any other vserver on the same host... if yes... other vserver could cause latency issues, even if you get it working now 1247141275 M * pmjdebruijn asterisk is one of those things, you generally always want a dedicated server for... 1247141306 M * daniel_hozac priorities aren't hard to set. 1247141308 M * marl_scot unfortunatly dont have any option, have to get rid of one of the servers for financial reasons :( 1247141311 M * Bertl well, most latency issues can be dealth with, if configured properly 1247141594 M * marl_scot ok, running it under a chroot, gave the same bad call quality, so would i be correct in takeing it as a network problem rather than a vserver prob? 1247141620 M * marl_scot its anoying as both my currently working * server and this vserver are in the same data centre :( 1247141794 M * Bertl not necessarily, it could be a network problem, or a problem how the host is configured (kernel) or the guest configurations 1247141879 M * marl_scot lol, never an simple problem!, will have a shot at asterisk first, and check all my configs there, thanks :) 1247141967 M * Bertl VoIP is never easy, IP was not designed with real time in mind :) 1247142035 M * fback http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Unification is this info current and valid? 1247142065 M * fback especially the info on hardlinks inside the guests 1247142104 M * fback and is there a way to test CoW breaking before unification? 1247142142 M * Bertl 1) and 2) yes, 3) hmm? 1247142192 M * fback Bertl: to test if kernel part is done correctly 1247142223 M * daniel_hozac run testfs? 1247142231 M * daniel_hozac it's exercising all sorts of corner cases. 1247142232 M * fback and if the file will be copied when one of the hardlink is changed 1247142247 M * Bertl ah, testfs.sh will check that, but yeah, you can create a test scenario yourself, and break the links 1247142825 M * fback Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/13094 1247142851 M * daniel_hozac you might want to tell it to actually run some tests too. 1247142857 M * daniel_hozac like, -xyz 1247142873 M * fback I'm going to use xfs, but... is the ext3 fail expected? 1247142936 M * fback ah, -v explained the problem 1247143125 M * fback 34, 105 and 106 failed 1247143359 Q * Piet Remote host closed the connection 1247143627 J * urbi ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com 1247144123 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk 1247144363 J * Piet ~piet@659AAA0MF.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net 1247144768 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.2.26 1247144787 Q * pmenier Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247144804 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-8-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1247145951 Q * Pazzo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247146014 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1247146081 Q * BenG Read error: No route to host 1247146300 Q * urbi Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247147205 J * bakins ~bakins@157.166.167.129 1247147262 M * bakins 2.6.22.19-vs2.3.0.34.1 question: it seems if I want to bind mount an nfs mount into a vserevr, I have to stop/start the vserver to see the mount. Is this expected? 1247147300 M * Bertl how do you --bind mount it into the guest? 1247147627 M * bakins mount -o bind,ro /www/ /vservers//www/ 1247147655 M * bakins a stop/start and /www is as expected in guest, before that it's empty 1247147658 M * Bertl well, that is only going to work if you disable filesystem namesapces for that guest 1247147696 M * Bertl you want to do the mount either via secure-mount or after entering the guest's namespace 1247147762 M * bakins http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#How_do_I_handle_NFS_mounts_within_in_a_guest.3F is incorrect? 1247147802 M * bakins I got some wierd issues when I just let the guest manageme the mounts - like guest would never stop 1247147823 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.69.37.112 1247147830 M * bakins fstab.remote may work out for me, I suppose. 1247147835 M * Bertl well, I would not suggest to let the guest do the mount/umount, but fstab.remote is the proper place to do that 1247147866 M * Bertl the first point might not be valid, as the mount might be cleaned up on startup 1247147945 M * bakins Bertl: thanks. 1247148163 M * bakins hey Bertl is there a supported way to add mounts to guest while it's running? 1247148202 M * Bertl as I said, either via secure-mount or by entering the guest's namespace (and then doing the --bind mount) 1247148330 M * bakins what does "via secure-mount" mean? 1247148378 M * Bertl secure-mount is a tool (part of util-vserver) which is used to do the guest mounts on guest startup 1247148402 M * bakins hmm, I don't seem to have that, is in rpm? 1247148425 M * Bertl yep, all recent util-vserver rpms should have it 1247148448 M * bakins ahh, not in path, found it 1247148666 M * daniel_hozac or using vmount. 1247148700 M * bakins daniel_hozac: yeah, vmount looks easier. 1247148711 M * bakins is this in FAQ and I just didn;'t read enough? 1247148733 M * Bertl it might need an entry there ... 1247148814 M * bakins FWIW: I may just need to write a simpel wrapper around secure-mount that takes a guest name and a mount point and use fstab.remote. that seems to "behave" more like normal mount 1247148831 M * daniel_hozac that's what vmount is. 1247148892 M * bakins does it use fstab.remote? 1247148927 M * bakins all of our configs are controlled via pupept, so puppet would write out fstab.remote then run any mount commands for us 1247148969 M * bakins ahh, it uses the fstab... that's probably fine 1247149058 M * bakins except guest doesn't want to start bcs an nfs mount is in fstab... 1247149116 M * bakins think I confused something... 1247149188 M * Bertl the question is, do you want to make a permanent config change, or a temporary mount? 1247149248 M * bakins "permanent" 1247149257 M * bakins but don't want to have to reboot to do it 1247149273 M * bakins if not necessary - not a huge deal if we have to 1247149288 M * daniel_hozac you don't have to. 1247149299 M * Bertl then you want to do the mount via vmount, and add an entry to fstab.remote (daniel?) 1247149349 M * daniel_hozac yeah. 1247149362 M * bakins okay, not horrible 1247149394 M * Bertl the vmount will take care of the 'runtime' stuff, while the fstab.remote will preserve that mount over restart 1247149643 M * pmjdebruijn wtf 1247149653 M * pmjdebruijn I just had the /var/run/vserver/vservername file disappearing again 1247149671 M * Bertl cleanup scripts? 1247149676 M * daniel_hozac stop adding a trailing slash when using vserver ... * :) 1247149692 M * Bertl ah, yeah, forgot about that :) 1247150286 J * dowdle ~dowdle@97-121-204-120.blng.qwest.net 1247150625 Q * hijacker Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247150817 J * ktwilight_ ~keliew@112.185-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247150824 J * hijacker ~hijacker@213.91.163.5 1247150847 Q * ktwilight__ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247151165 M * fback daniel_hozac: i have a bunch of identical vservers -- can they be unified (hashified?) using defaults? They are lenny guests, stripped off most packages used to stream radios, they should differ in just one file in /etc/icecast2 (and, of course, most contents of /var subdirectories). And which guide is more acurate, the one in the FAQ or http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Vhashify ? 1247151295 J * uva bno@118-168-233-227.dynamic.hinet.net 1247151728 Q * gate_keeper_ Remote host closed the connection 1247151913 Q * FireEgl Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247151914 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat 1247152368 M * pmjdebruijn Bertl: I found the problem with the disappearing files in /var/run/vservers 1247152391 M * Bertl yes? 1247152393 M * pmjdebruijn Bertl: when using tab completion with vserver BlahBlah enter, you could possibly get vserver BlahBlah/ enter 1247152408 M * pmjdebruijn Bertl: with more recent util-vserver it seems the extra / causes the /var/run/vservers file to be deleted 1247152412 M * pmjdebruijn util-vserver 0.30.216~r2772-6 1247152427 J * ensc|w ~ensc@www.sigma-chemnitz.de 1247152428 M * pmjdebruijn I'm aware you're not supposed to suffix the '/' 1247152435 M * pmjdebruijn but it should break the vserver either 1247152436 M * Bertl well, with even more recent util-vserver, this doesn't jappen anymore, I guess :) 1247152440 M * Bertl *happen 1247152445 M * pmjdebruijn was this a known issue then? 1247152463 M * Bertl yes, and daniel_hozac even mentioned it to you a few minutes ago 1247152482 M * Bertl (well, almost an hour, actually :) 1247152485 M * pmjdebruijn ah crap indeed 1247152494 M * pmjdebruijn I was off IRC for a bit :s 1247152509 M * pmjdebruijn daniel_hozac: thanks! :) 1247152521 A * pmjdebruijn figured it out on his own... 1247152525 M * pmjdebruijn oh well 1247152529 M * pmjdebruijn I'm going to head home 1247152921 J * FireEgl FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com 1247153615 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247154885 Q * esa Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1247154950 Q * bakins Quit: bakins 1247155355 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c154165.adsl.hansenet.de 1247155713 J * bakins ~bakins@157.166.167.129 1247156788 J * ktwilight__ ~keliew@6.188-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247156844 Q * ktwilight_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247157059 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1247157208 M * harry i might have found the bug... but i need some more testing... tomorrow, because today, my system kept failing on me (memory is broken aparently... needs replacement...) 1247157641 Q * ktwilight__ Quit: dead 1247158025 Q * larsivi Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247158685 Q * balbir_ Remote host closed the connection 1247158761 J * ViRUS ~mp@p579B48F5.dip.t-dialin.net 1247159366 Q * pmenier Quit: Konversation terminated! 1247159429 Q * kir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247159448 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1247159704 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.2.26 1247159966 Q * bakins Quit: bakins 1247160428 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann 1247161872 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.195.197 1247162431 J * bakins ~bakins@157.166.167.129 1247163176 Q * BWare Quit: *p00f* 1247163511 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247163738 N * ensc Guest639 1247163738 Q * Guest639 Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247163748 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.160.26 1247164178 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.10.91 1247164237 Q * ensc Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247164454 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@77.235.160.26 1247165109 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.83.205 1247165221 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat 1247165507 J * urbi ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com 1247165545 M * urbi is it normal that a quad core amd opteron with 8gb ram and a fresh install installs vserver-util & packages it depends on for 25minutes? 1247165567 M * urbi its compiling glibc now for quite some time 1247165583 Q * thierryp Quit: ciao folks 1247165622 M * daniel_hozac it sounds like you chose the wrong distribution. 1247165678 M * urbi what do you mean ? 1247165710 M * daniel_hozac i've never had it take more than a couple of minutes, and that's when installing on really crappy connections. 1247165722 M * urbi (230/411) Generating hu_HU.ISO-8859-2 ... [ ok ] 1247165722 M * urbi * (231/411) Generating hy_AM.UTF-8 ... 1247165727 M * urbi it goes like 1 per second 1247165747 M * urbi damn 1247165753 M * urbi i use gentoo everywhere and its 64bit os 1247165773 M * urbi makeopts on -j9 1247165792 M * daniel_hozac as i said, wrong distribution :-) 1247165965 J * ktwilight ~keliew@59.161-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247168634 J * doener_ ~doener@i59F57A2B.versanet.de 1247168735 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247168737 P * bakins 1247169544 J * Floops[w]1 ~baihu@205.214.201.176 1247169934 Q * Floops[w] Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247171110 J * ktwilight_ ~keliew@60.177-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1247171471 Q * ktwilight Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247171761 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1247172246 Q * allquixotic Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247173356 Q * marl_scot Read error: Connection reset by peer 1247173531 J * uva_ bno@118-160-162-97.dynamic.hinet.net 1247173989 Q * uva Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247174346 J * Radiance ~Radiance@193.16.154.187 1247174796 M * _Shiva__ urbi: edit /etc/locale.gen for the next time... or so you really need every locale on this planet on your system(s)? 1247175467 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend 1247175852 N * DoberMann DoberMann[ZZZzzz] 1247177635 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1247179138 Q * nkukard Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247179259 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1247179284 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz 1247179336 M * puck Hey, I'm hitting a bit of resistance to running 2.3 so I can obtain IPv6 support due to it being labelled devel/experimental. Any ides when 2.4 (or next stable) release will be out? 1247179394 M * Bertl after extensive testing, which, atm looks like to take at least a year or so :) 1247179418 M * puck Damn 1247179479 M * Bertl but, if you find somebody to sponsor (or actually do) the testing, it might be done in two months or so 1247180162 M * puck What testing is required? 1247180175 M * puck Are they any regression tests documented? 1247180214 M * Bertl basically all features have to be tested, the code reviewed, all known issues we encountered revisited 1247180306 M * Bertl testing starts with the various isolation features and aspects (creation, management, security) .. through the various filesystem extensions and corner cases (to be tested), and finally network isolation and routing tests 1247180385 M * Bertl for almost every fix we did, there is a test case, which was used to identify and ultimately address the specific incident 1247180420 M * puck Okay, that all sounds fair. Are the test cases scripted? 1247180451 M * Bertl only a small portion is scripted, most of them are too complex to create a generic script to test with 1247180525 M * Bertl some scripted/existing tests need to be adapted to new kernel behaviour (mainline) or new feature sets (Linux-VServer) too 1247180575 M * puck okay 1247180610 J * nkukard ~nkukard@196.212.73.74 1247181157 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net 1247181258 M * puck I was hoping that we might be able to setup some regression systems for testing the raised issues, but it sounds like that'd be reasonably complex, if not impossible. 1247181266 M * puck (But I know that mugwump likes a good challenge) 1247181942 Q * thierryp Remote host closed the connection 1247183462 Q * arekm Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1247183554 J * arekm arekm@carme.pld-linux.org