1244421950 M * Bertl off to bed now .. have a good one everyone! 1244421956 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ 1244424394 Q * trippeh Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244425365 J * PowerKe ~tom@d5153A5EC.access.telenet.be 1244430863 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.140.201 1244431202 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244431222 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244431655 J * trippeh atomt@uff.ugh.no 1244431709 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1244432078 Q * trippeh Read error: Connection reset by peer 1244432333 J * trippeh atomt@uff.ugh.no 1244432582 Q * scientes Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244440581 J * jfsworld ~jf@202.157.130.21 1244440587 M * jfsworld hello people 1244440593 M * jfsworld does anybody know how to do the following? 1244440601 Q * MooingLemur Quit: leaving 1244440616 M * jfsworld i'm trying to change the oom_adj for sshd in one of my contexts - but am having probs 1244440631 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com 1244440639 M * jfsworld i've tried the following: 1244440648 M * jfsworld chcontext --xid 1 -- echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj 1244440656 M * jfsworld chcontext --xid 1 -- 'echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj' 1244440660 Q * MooingLemur 1244440662 M * jfsworld chcontext --xid 1 -- sh 1244440674 M * jfsworld followed by 'echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj' 1244440676 M * jfsworld all dont work! 1244440677 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@tmo-096-127.customers.d1-online.com 1244440745 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com 1244440924 Q * MooingLemur 1244440964 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com 1244441213 Q * MooingLemur 1244441224 J * MooingLemur ~troy@shells195.pinchaser.com 1244444169 J * doener_ ~doener@i59F57BA5.versanet.de 1244444271 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244445061 M * transacid jfsworld: for i in vserver1 vserver2 ; do vserver $1 exec echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj ; done 1244445161 M * transacid jfsworld: for i in vserver1 vserver2 ; do vserver $i exec echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj ; done 1244445166 M * transacid typo 1244445378 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1244445602 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244445653 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244446030 J * kernelmadness ~kernelmad@89.169.100.241 1244446139 M * kernelmadness Hi Bertl! Today i restored our server and the error was something about: kernel panic, not syncing, tried to kill IDLE task 1244446989 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244447083 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1244448694 J * nas ~chatzilla@opengw.lga.net.sg 1244448713 M * nas how to undo apt-get upgrade? is it apt-get dselect-upgrade? 1244448743 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru 1244448839 M * jfsworld transacid: bash: /proc/111/oom_adj: No such file or directory 1244448853 M * Kamping_Kaiser one does not simply unupgrade from mordor 1244448854 M * jfsworld nas: i'm not sure u can even undo that with standard apt-get 1244448879 M * Kamping_Kaiser nas, dpkg doesnt support downgrades, you can force a lower version package to install, but it may break badly. 1244448906 Q * kernelmadness Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше) 1244449166 M * jfsworld anybody got a solution for adjusting oom_adj properly in a guest? i was told by Bertl u cant do it in a guest (which is understandable). And that that means u have to do it from the host 1244451420 J * Net147 Net147@c211-30-18-226.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au 1244451480 M * Net147 I get this message after stopping a vserver: /usr/lib/util-vserver/vserver.stop: line 98: 4433 Killed "${IONICE_CMD[@]}" "${NICE_CMD[@]}" "${CHBIND_CMD[@]}" "$_VSPACE" --enter "$S_CONTEXT" "${OPTS_VSPACE[@]}" -- "$_VTAG" --migrate "${OPTS_VTAG_ENTER[@]}" --silent -- $_VCONTEXT $SILENT_OPT --migrate $OPT_VCONTEXT_CHROOT --xid "$S_CONTEXT" -- "${INITCMD_STOP[@]}". anything to worry about? 1244451585 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1244451611 M * Bertl morning folks! 1244451617 M * Net147 morning Bertl 1244451676 M * Bertl Net147: kernel/patch/util-vserver version? 1244451719 M * Net147 kernel 2.6.29.4, 2.3.0.36.14, 0.30.216 pre2833 1244451794 M * Bertl please run the 'stop' with --debug and upload the output to paste.linux-vserver.org 1244451812 M * Bertl jfsworld: do you get an error when you try to do it from xid=1? 1244451861 M * jfsworld Bertl: morning! and yes i do get the error 1244451876 M * jfsworld perhaps u'd like to clarify by 'do it from xid=1'? 1244451887 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net 1244451894 M * jfsworld chcontext --xid 1 echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj 1244451909 M * jfsworld doesnt work. I think cos only 'echo -17' is passed to chcontext 1244451960 M * jfsworld but if i quote protect... then it becomes 1244451965 M * jfsworld vcontext: execvp("echo -17 > /proc/111/oom_adj"): No such file or directory 1244451976 M * jfsworld so u see here, it's the '>' that's the problem 1244451998 M * jfsworld i've tried chcontext --xid 1 sed -if 's/0/-17/' /proc/111/oom_adj 1244452017 M * jfsworld that was my best try, but... 1244452024 M * jfsworld sed: couldn't open temporary file /proc/111//sedKKa3hD: No such file or directory 1244452035 M * Bertl works fine here: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12983 1244452064 M * Bertl sorry for the duplicate line 1244452108 M * Bertl (the second line should use '1' instead of 'test2' 1244452136 M * jfsworld hm... i get operation not permitted 1244452139 M * jfsworld any idea why? 1244452158 M * jfsworld bash: /proc/111/oom_adj: Operation not permitted 1244452185 J * dna ~dna@186-204-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de 1244452201 M * jfsworld i've got proc protection ('Enable Proc Security') - that's like the derfault when u comile the kernel 1244452224 M * Bertl no idea, same here (is the default), maybe run strace -fF on the bash? 1244452316 M * jfsworld ok 1244452398 M * jfsworld open("/proc/111/oom_adj", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) 1244452533 M * Bertl any security frameworks active? like se-linux or similar? 1244452703 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244452708 M * jfsworld this is ubuntu 1244452710 M * Net147 Bertl: vserver atest1 stop --debug says unknown option 1244452730 M * jfsworld which has... "something" (i forget the name). But i'm not aware that this is enabled 1244452748 M * jfsworld hang on - this is a standard kernel compiled with the vserver patch - so... 1244452794 M * jfsworld right. I'm not using apparmor 1244452843 M * jfsworld but i'll look into it 1244452869 M * Bertl Net147: try vserver --debug atest1 stop 1244452925 M * Bertl jfsworld: the kernel is vanilla + Linux-VServer or ubuntu + Linux-VServer? 1244452929 M * jfsworld uh, tat message in varlog messages - that's to do with the vserver patch. "messing with the procfs" 1244452934 M * jfsworld vanilla + linux-vserver 1244452964 M * Net147 Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12984 1244452973 M * Bertl jfsworld: did you hide the oom_adj entry maybe? 1244452988 M * jfsworld nope 1244452989 M * Bertl (nah, can't be, it's a process entry :) 1244452997 M * jfsworld if i chcontext --xid 1 cat /proc/111/oom_adj 1244453001 M * jfsworld i can access it 1244453126 M * Bertl Net147: so your guest is using sysv init style? 1244453146 M * Net147 Bertl: yes 1244453157 M * Bertl then why is it trying to power off the machine? 1244453203 M * Net147 Berl: what is it supposed to do when shutting down vserver? 1244453219 M * Bertl shut down the services 1244453228 M * Bertl and exit with 0 1244453235 M * Net147 Bertl: okay i'll try that. thanks. 1244453287 M * Bertl jfsworld: I'm testing here with 2.6.29.3-vs2.3.0.36.13, so I will upgrade to the latest version to see if that changes anything ... 1244453364 M * Net147 Bertl: thanks that works. i'll update my Arch additions to util-vserver to fix it. 1244453392 M * Net147 Bertl: Should I just remove the POWER OFF message altogether then? 1244453422 M * Bertl would make sense, IMHO, but doesn't really hurt 1244453460 M * jfsworld Bertl: thanks. I'm using 2.6.22.19 with vs 2.2.0.7 1244453465 M * Net147 Bertl: it also sends SIGTERM and SIGKILL to remaining processes. should I remove that too? 1244453491 M * jfsworld (so u're actually ahead of me!) (i'm using these versinos cos that's the latest stable from http://linux-vserver.org/Downloads) 1244453578 M * Bertl ah, that may explain it 1244453597 M * Bertl (somehow I got the impression you were using the latests vs2.3 patch) 1244453632 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1244453763 M * Net147 well I guess Gentoo terms and kills remaining processes so I should just leave it in. 1244453890 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@tmo-101-203.customers.d1-online.com 1244453976 M * Net147 Bertl: where should I upload my Arch additions to util-vserver? 1244454024 M * jfsworld Bertl: so u're saying there's nothign i can do with v2.2? 1244454038 M * Bertl contact daniel_hozac for integration (you'll get some feedback too) and till then, put it somewhere and link to it from the wiki 1244454068 M * Bertl jfsworld: well, probably not without a patch 1244454112 M * jfsworld argh!.. 1244454126 M * jfsworld well i guess the next qn then would be, what's the status for v2.3? 1244454144 M * jfsworld when will it move to 'stable'? 1244454186 M * Bertl first, it will become 'development' (it's experimental right now :) 1244454214 M * Bertl then, after some time of stabilization and clean ups, it will eventually become vs2.4 1244454336 M * jfsworld ok. 2.3.0.34 is "development"? (http://linux-vserver.org/Downloads). Or is that top table not updated with regards to v2.3? 1244454665 M * Bertl vs2.3.x is development, vs2.3.x.y(.z) is experimental 1244454733 M * Bertl but probably if you compare it to some other projects, it's more like: super stable, stable and development 1244455523 M * jfsworld ok 1244456178 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244456541 M * jfsworld well thanks for ur time, everybody 1244456545 M * jfsworld Bertl: thanks 1244456569 P * jfsworld 1244456934 J * BenG ~bengreen@94-169-110-10.cable.ubr22.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk 1244456967 J * balbir ~balbir@59.145.136.1 1244458487 M * Net147 Bertl: how about I integrate it into the Arch util-vserver package? then the patch will be available on Arch Linux user repository HTTP server alongside the util-vserver package build scripts. 1244458724 M * Bertl I think it would be preferable to integrate it upstream, because otherwise folks using a different host distro or building the tools from scratch will not be able to run Arch guests, no? 1244458804 M * Net147 Bertl: yea can integrate upstream eventually but I don't have an HTTP server I can use so i'm thinking just integrate into Arch package which will host it on the Arch user repository (accessible directly via HTTP). 1244458863 M * Bertl I can put the files somewhere in the meantime 1244458891 M * Net147 Bertl: Should I put the patch on pastebin? 1244458950 M * Bertl use some 'binary' upload service for that 1244458976 M * Bertl I'll grab it from there and put it into an ARCH dir on vserver.13thfloor.at 1244458985 M * Net147 though it is just diff in plain text... 1244459002 M * Net147 recommend any upload services? 1244459039 M * Bertl not really, just pick any free one 1244459114 M * Net147 Bertl: http://rapidshare.com/files/242200808/vserver-build-arch.patch.html 1244459555 J * geb ~geb@49.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net 1244459581 M * Bertl here you go http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/ARCH/ please check the md5 1244459627 M * Net147 Bertl: looks fine 1244459657 Q * geb 1244459666 M * Net147 though there is probably some more things left that can be done to make it better. such as supporting single user mode runlevel. 1244459674 J * geb ~geb@earth.gebura.eu.org 1244459709 M * Bertl make sure to contact daniel_hozac and discuss the details/improvements 1244459726 M * Net147 better to reach on IRC or email? 1244459741 J * thierryp ~thierry@intern174.lnk.telstra.net 1244459746 M * Bertl irc if he is around, probably email if you don't want to wait :) 1244459762 M * Net147 daniel_hozac: you around? 1244459911 J * scientes ~scientes@174-21-87-171.tukw.qwest.net 1244460002 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244460072 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244460096 Q * geb Quit: / 1244460253 M * Net147 Bertl: you want me to CC you the email? 1244460280 J * geb ~geb@earth.gebura.eu.org 1244460340 M * Bertl not necessary, I do not work on util-vserver atm 1244460359 M * Net147 Bertl: okay. thanks 1244460493 M * Bertl np 1244462000 Q * thierryp Quit: ciao folks 1244462098 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244462480 J * docelic_ ~docelic@78.134.207.86 1244462695 M * Net147 Bertl: do I need to do anything special when populating a vserver filesystem from the host? 1244462746 M * daniel_hozac no. 1244462777 Q * Kamping_Kaiser Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244462777 M * Net147 like quota stuff or namespaces for the files 1244462882 Q * docelic Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244462947 M * Net147 vnamespace --enter ? 1244463018 M * Net147 I notice debootstrap build uses vnamespace --new 1244463029 M * daniel_hozac that's because debootstrap is special. 1244463033 M * daniel_hozac and not in a good way. 1244463053 M * Net147 what is special about it? 1244463120 M * Net147 daniel_hozac: you got my email? 1244463138 M * daniel_hozac it mounts things occasionally, and we want those mounts to go away on their own. 1244463146 M * Net147 hmm k 1244463161 M * daniel_hozac yes, i did 1244463213 M * daniel_hozac does arch not have a concept of distributions? 1244463220 M * daniel_hozac i think the build method should be named pacman. 1244463224 M * Net147 not that I know of 1244463237 M * daniel_hozac in that case you should create a distribution named arch. 1244463248 M * Net147 I did 1244463259 M * daniel_hozac and move misc/arch.packages to distrib/arch/pkgs 1244463272 M * Net147 okay 1244463336 M * Net147 there are 2 other Linux distributions that use pacman. Frugulware uses a different version though and i'm not sure if it's compatible. 1244463539 Q * davidkarban Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244463622 M * Net147 if we have a build method called pacman, shouldn't we have more than one distribution that uses the same variant of pacman first? 1244463652 M * Bertl not a requirement, IMHO 1244463670 M * Bertl we had debootstrap long before ubuntu (i.e. only for debian) 1244463683 M * Net147 okay 1244463734 M * Net147 i'll need to add a distribution option to the build script then? 1244463844 M * daniel_hozac yes. 1244463963 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71 1244465181 M * Net147 and for distributions for which there isn't a distribution directory we just say "Distribution not supported: blah." ? 1244465659 M * Net147 okay i've updated the patch. i'm guessing if we want to generalise then we should move the "supported architectures" out of pacman build method and into distribution? 1244466330 J * ncopa ~ncopa@149-193-163.oke2-bras2.adsl.tele2.no 1244466352 M * ncopa hi 1244466401 M * ncopa i switched from gentoo to arch linux and are working on making a vserver package 1244466420 M * ncopa i have an issue with compiling util-vserver 1244466430 M * ncopa http://pastebin.com/d4dede9af 1244466436 M * ncopa any hints? 1244466490 M * Bertl maybe check with Net147, he is currently working on integrating Arch Linux guest support upstream 1244466521 M * Net147 hmm? there is already a vserver package 1244466537 M * Net147 http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=24281 1244466624 M * Net147 util-vserver package here: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=17397 1244466894 M * ncopa oh 1244466896 M * ncopa nice! 1244466919 M * ncopa i googled and found the wiki page which is outdated 1244466933 M * ncopa native arch linux guest would be really neat 1244466940 M * Net147 that's what i'm working on... 1244466955 M * ncopa how is it goin? 1244466966 M * Net147 well it works, i'm just cleaning it up 1244466970 M * ncopa last time i tried i had to cut alot of stuff from init scripts 1244466980 M * Net147 yes, my integration does that automatically 1244467003 M * ncopa wouldnt it be better if initscripts supported optinal udev and module loading? 1244467005 M * ncopa etc 1244467078 M * Net147 probably 1244467106 M * Net147 the arch startup and shutdown scripts could be a lot more modularised 1244467127 M * Net147 if they were modularised enough it wouldn't be a problem. just disable the conflicting parts. 1244467403 M * ncopa yeah... 1244467459 M * ncopa they should move to openrc imo 1244467498 M * Net147 gentoo init works quite well with vserver. 1244467510 M * ncopa because its modularized 1244467602 M * Net147 any reason for switch to arch? 1244467748 M * ncopa portage sucks 1244467751 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.140.201 1244467777 M * ncopa and i needed to reinstall the computer due to a slow soft raid5 setup 1244467959 Q * geb Quit: / 1244468047 M * Net147 well maybe next week i'll have the cleaned up util-vserver arch patch ready with some more stuff implemented. 1244468088 M * ncopa i only need it for the host so far 1244468106 M * ncopa the aur stuff was a nice suprise 1244468246 M * Net147 yea. it's experimental vserver release though. not sure if it's stable enough for your purposes. 1244468295 M * Net147 Bertl: have you had any issues with the latest experimental release? 1244468379 M * ncopa vanilla kernel + vserver patch is probably good enough for me 1244468416 M * Net147 that vserver package has Arch Linux patches included 1244468431 M * ncopa even better 1244468470 M * Net147 there is another one with Arch + grsec as well but it's slightly older kernel release: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=26612 1244468473 M * Bertl Net147: nope, everything implemented works as expected 1244468499 M * Net147 until harry releases an updated grsec patch 1244468687 M * Net147 Bertl: wasn't there some mention of a namespace leak or is that my imagination? 1244468743 M * Bertl if you use older util-vserver with recent kernels, namespaces are not unsahred properly 1244468783 M * Net147 ah yes. but does "#NSProxy: 0 42 0 0 0 0 0" look correct when no vservers are running? 1244468931 M * Bertl yes 1244469906 Q * misc--- Quit: Leaving 1244470178 J * zbyniu_ ~zbyniu@ip-62.181.188.13.static.crowley.pl 1244470192 Q * zbyniu Read error: Connection reset by peer 1244470551 Q * Net147 1244470794 J * Kamping_Kaiser ~kgoetz@ppp121-45-203-209.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net 1244471192 M * fb_ Bertl: where does vserver-info take version string from? 1244471397 M * Bertl which version string? 1244471420 M * fb_ util-vserver: 0.30.216-pre2772; Jun 8 2009, 14:01:40 1244471564 M * fb_ ah, i see now 1244472210 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1244472367 M * ncopa btw are there any fresh vserver kernels for ubuntu? 1244472389 M * ncopa pre buildt deb's i mean 1244472522 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1244472722 M * pmjdebruijn not really (as far as I know) 1244472729 M * pmjdebruijn most people roll their own vserver kernels 1244473276 M * sid3windr wasnt there someone with a ubuntu repo? 1244473281 M * sid3windr with vserver kernels 1244473305 M * fb_ it contained bristolwireless in the url, iirc 1244473332 M * fb_ one could try to grep irc logs on this 1244473434 M * sid3windr [03|13:49:09] < BenG> so point to http://kernels.bristolwireless.net/ is probably the best bet 1244473438 M * sid3windr :] 1244473477 M * sid3windr a united memory =) 1244473614 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1244473884 M * BenG sid3windr, they are for Debian Lenny 1244473895 M * BenG though you can try on other distros 1244473915 M * sid3windr ahh :] 1244474093 J * kernelmadness ~kernelmad@80.250.162.178 1244474179 M * BenG I could build for Ubuntu too 1244474185 M * BenG will think on it 1244474191 M * BenG bit of a chore really 1244474238 Q * BenG Quit: I Leave 1244474402 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244474453 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244475881 Q * ncopa Quit: Ex-Chat 1244475883 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.1.11 1244476024 J * ncopa ~ncopa@149-193-163.oke2-bras2.adsl.tele2.no 1244476055 M * ncopa w00t 1244476061 M * ncopa im runnign vserver kernel again 1244476071 M * ncopa back in business 1244477010 M * Bertl :) 1244477160 J * geb ~geb@49.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net 1244480090 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa 1244480265 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1244480358 Q * gnuk Read error: Connection reset by peer 1244480554 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net 1244481513 Q * kernelmadness Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше) 1244481852 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat 1244482508 Q * gnuk Quit: NoFeature 1244482914 J * balbir ~balbir@122.172.3.66 1244483192 N * pmenier pmenier_off 1244484993 M * Hollow hey guys, i'm trying to setup varnish in a vserver, but mlock returns ENOMEM, and the same configuration works on the host, do i need a capability? 1244485227 M * daniel_hozac CAP_IPC_LOCK, IIRC. 1244485757 M * Hollow daniel_hozac: thanks 1244486907 Q * balbir Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244488255 Q * imcsk8 Quit: Leaving 1244488488 Q * ard Read error: No route to host 1244488802 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244488842 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244490227 J * ktwilight ~keliew@70.246-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be 1244490227 Q * ktwilight_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1244490466 Q * larsivi Remote host closed the connection 1244490964 J * larsivi ~larsivi@70.84-48-63.nextgentel.com 1244491110 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat 1244492285 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1244492671 J * kernelmadness ~kernelmad@89.169.100.241 1244494268 Q * geb Quit: / 1244495361 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1244495419 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1244496812 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1244497312 M * kernelmadness Hi Bertl! Are you here? 1244497697 M * Bertl yep 1244497864 M * kernelmadness as you remember, my server crashed yesterday after applying buggy patch :) the kernel tried to kill IDLE process and crashed into kernel panic 1244498164 M * Bertl well, that sounds more like an initramfs issue 1244498173 M * Bertl (or missing driver, etc) 1244498361 M * kernelmadness this issue caused only on patched kernel 1244498576 M * Bertl well, doesn't mean anything per se, do you have a boot trace (e.g. via serial) to look at? 1244498683 M * kernelmadness now i'm compiling kernel on kvm. i'try to apply patch and dump boot trace 1244498974 M * kernelmadness oh, i wanna some sleep.. will continue my experiments tomorrow. bye! 1244498979 Q * kernelmadness Quit: kernelmadness 1244500144 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c152232.adsl.hansenet.de 1244502052 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1244503202 Q * jescheng Remote host closed the connection 1244503242 J * jescheng ~jescheng@proxy-sjc-1.cisco.com 1244503320 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend