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1243484485 M * ghislainocfs21 bertl: after rmmod quota_v2 the problem disapear !
1243487306 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.135.32
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1243490403 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.135.32
1243491069 J * geb ~geb@AOrleans-253-1-52-135.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1243492053 J * davidkarban ~david@193.85.217.71
1243493240 Q * hijacker Remote host closed the connection
1243493590 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@tmo-100-100.customers.d1-online.com
1243494349 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
1243494383 N * pmenier_off pmenier
1243494743 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1243494812 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1243494816 M * Bertl morning folks!
1243494946 M * Bertl Guy-: very much depends on the guest setup .. if there is no CPU or I/O bandwidth available for the guest, a CPU/IO bound application like mysql might get really slow
1243495002 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1243495011 M * Bertl ghislainocfs21: well, a dump with DEBUG_INFO enabled, and addresses calculated might sched some light on it
1243495259 M * ghislainocfs21 bertl: ok i will try to recreate a kernel. Which kernel/verver seems apropriate for a new setup ?
1243495478 J * Net147 Net147@c211-30-18-226.rivrw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au
1243495485 M * Bertl a recent patch from 2.6.27-29 would make sense
1243495607 M * Net147 hmm I get an error with vs2.3.0.36.13 with kernel 2.6.29.4 when entering or stopping a vserver: vspace -- execvp("/usr/sbin/vserver"): No such file or directory
1243495707 M * Bertl util-vserver version?
1243495731 M * Net147 Bertl: 0.30.216-pre2833
1243495761 M * Bertl and /usr/sbin/vserver exists and is executable?
1243495778 M * Net147 Bertl: yes
1243495817 M * Net147 Bertl: works fine with 2.3.0.36.12 with kernel 2.6.29.2 both normal and grsec.
1243495830 M * Bertl do you have /bin/bash (or the libs bash requires) on an unusual partition?
1243495857 M * Net147 Bertl: I only have one system partition and a boot partition
1243495917 M * Net147 Bertl: / partition is ext3 with acl,user_xattr. /boot is ext2.
1243496014 M * Bertl could you upload the output of 'vserver-info - SYSINFO' to paste.linux-vserver.org
1243496087 M * Net147 Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12944
1243496153 M * Net147 Bertl: that's for 2.6.29.2 because of problems i'm having with 2.6.29.4.
1243496187 M * Bertl okay, the 2.6.29.4 kernel is otherwise identical?
1243496194 M * Net147 Bertl: yes
1243496216 M * pmjdebruijn Bertl: we're experimenting with 2.6.27.24-vs2.3.0.36.6 with Debian Lenny and the Debian supplied vserver tools, and we're fine sofar...
1243496241 M * Net147 Bertl: kernel configs are here -- http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/kernel26-vserver/kernel26-vserver/
1243496376 M * Bertl could you test 2.6.29.3 + vs2.3.0.36.13 ?
1243496415 M * Bertl (because I have that running on a very similar setup with no problems so far)
1243496423 M * Net147 Bertl: sure, just give me half an hour or so
1243496461 M * Bertl np, could you upload the guest config (maybe even the guest data itself) too?
1243496522 M * Net147 Bertl: it's just a minimal guest system with base packages only. where should I upload the guest config?
1243496547 M * Bertl somewhere I can download it (shouldn't take long :)
1243496580 M * harry_ dcc :à)
1243496609 M * Bertl actually ftp/http would be preferable
1243496638 M * Net147 Bertl: the system was created with these instructions -- http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_ArchLinux
1243496711 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1243496738 M * Bertl hmm, any ArchLinux devels around here? if so, please speak up now :)
1243496755 M * harry_ Net147 is one
1243496757 M * harry_ ;)
1243496773 N * harry_ harrydg
1243496785 M * Net147 Bertl: you would get the same system following those instructions. do you still need the config?
1243496795 M * Bertl good, in that case, it would be really advantageous to integrate the archbootstrap stuff into util-vserver and make that a build option
1243496808 J * cga ~weechat@194.244.1.35
1243496843 M * Bertl the 'lock' flag is at least dubious to give to the guest, btw
1243496874 M * Net147 Bertl: the link for archbootstrap is broken. I just made it install base packages to the vserver's system root using pacman utility.
1243496906 M * Net147 Bertl: alternative script is available at http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=20731 but I haven't tried it
1243496937 M * Bertl okay, know what, tar (with numeric ids) the entire guest for me, and put it somewhere where I can grab it with curl/wget please
1243496948 M * Bertl (guest and config that is)
1243497128 M * Net147 Bertl: I can't just DCC?
1243497222 M * Net147 Bertl: the guest data is quite large and my connection isn't very fast
1243497245 M * harrydg zippit :)
1243497254 M * Net147 Bertl: guest data is 125 MB with bzip2
1243497368 M * Bertl well, I can try with a different guest, and your config ...
1243497386 M * Net147 but if you really want it: http://60.241.181.112/test-data.tar.bz2, http://60.241.181.112/test-config.tar.bz2
1243497669 M * Bertl tx
1243497746 M * Net147 Bertl: downloads fine?
1243497777 M * Bertl yep, should be done in 25 min
1243497808 M * Net147 Bertl: meanwhile, i'll start building that 2.6.29.3 vs kernel
1243497835 M * Bertl excellent! I'll get breakfast :)
1243498309 M * Net147 dinner. be back in half an hour or so
1243498559 J * penguin ~penguin@91.198.83.2
1243498648 M * penguin hi )
1243498803 M * Bertl hey!
1243499051 Q * penguin Quit: ircII EPIC4-2.10 -- Are we there yet?
1243499051 Q * ktwilight Read error: Connection reset by peer
1243499106 J * ktwilight ~keliew@206.65-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1243499643 M * Net147 how's breakfast Bertl?
1243499732 M * Bertl fine, tx
1243499771 M * Net147 kernel should be finished compiling in 5 minutes or so
1243499862 J * richi_ ~richi@85-126-150-194.work.xdsl-line.inode.at
1243499907 M * richi_ hello, i have a little question: i have 3 samab servers on the same subnet and all listen on the broadcast interface, is this a problem for vservers?
1243499913 M * richi_ samba*
1243499969 M * richi_ or should i create virtual network devices and switch to 3 subnets?
1243500026 M * Bertl depends on what you expect it to do
1243500083 M * Bertl Net147: I can reproduce the issue ... looking for clues now
1243500106 M * Net147 Bertl: okay. are the downloads finished? i'm just about to reboot to 2.6.29.3.
1243500149 M * Bertl yep, download is finished
1243500194 M * Net147 Bertl: okay, booting 2.6.29.3 to test
1243500317 M * Net147 Bertl: same issue
1243500331 M * Net147 Bertl: want a paste of the config?
1243500377 M * Bertl nope, tx
1243500387 M * Net147 Bertl: http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12945 anyway if you need it
1243500396 M * Net147 I wonder what broke it
1243500412 M * Bertl it is definitey guest related .. works fine here on the same machine with a debian/sysv guest, checking config stuff now
1243500417 M * Bertl *definitely
1243500432 M * Bertl (doesn't mean that it isn't a kernel bug :)
1243500487 M * Net147 would be nice if we had support for arch init scripts
1243500516 M * Bertl that's why I asked the ArchLinux folks to speak up ...
1243500525 M * Bertl IMHO guest building should be integrated too
1243500558 M * Bertl it seems to be init related ... checking now
1243500609 M * Guy- Bertl: he said the vserver had no resource limits configured
1243500647 M * Bertl could be implicit limits inherited from the host
1243500669 M * Net147 my host?
1243500917 M * Bertl no, and you do not have that issue with 2.6.29.2?
1243500934 M * Net147 Bertl: 2.6.29.2 works fine
1243500971 M * Bertl interesting ... well, it seems to be a kernel problem, which requires a guest runnin an init process
1243501386 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1243501690 M * Net147 Bertl: you are running 64-bit system?
1243501720 M * Bertl yup
1243502772 J * doener ~doener@i59F56A6E.versanet.de
1243503047 M * harrydg diffit!!!
1243503129 M * Net147 diff?
1243503192 M * harrydg the patch etc... i don't know ;)
1243503217 A * harrydg has no time... i'm in a IBM tsm server demo session today
1243503232 M * harrydg 10:56 < Bertl> interesting ... well, it seems to be a kernel problem, which requires a guest runnin an init process
1243503241 M * harrydg whoops
1243505262 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: what is the big difference in the way a guest is started between sysv and plain init? (regarding namespaces and filesystem)
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1243506753 J * kir ~kir@swsoft-msk-nat.sw.ru
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1243510592 J * mrfree ~mrfree@host1-89-static.40-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it
1243510626 J * saulus_ ~saulus@d004233.adsl.hansenet.de
1243510694 Q * SauLus Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1243510696 N * saulus_ SauLus
1243512683 M * Bertl daniel_hozac: please ping me when you're around
1243512902 J * dna ~dna@186-204-103-86.dynamic.dsl.tng.de
1243513250 Q * mrfree Quit: Leaving
1243513360 M * urbi Can not find a vserver-setup at '/usr/local/etc/vservers/knele/'.
1243513366 M * urbi how can i manually change this path?
1243513370 M * urbi to look in /etc/vservers
1243513454 M * geb $foo/util-vserver/util-vserver-vars
1243513471 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1243513475 M * geb $foo must be /usr/local/lib for you
1243513478 M * urbi thx
1243513493 M * pmjdebruijn urbi: doesn't your distribution have packages, since your manually installing to /usr/local?
1243513512 M * geb you can also make a link 
1243513526 M * urbi __CONFDIR='/etc/vservers'
1243513526 M * Bertl urbi: those pathes are set when you build util-vserver
1243513556 M * Bertl urbi: the best approach (i.e. if you want everything to work) is to set them there with the --prefix and similar options to configure
1243513572 M * urbi i know, but i emerged the util-vserver package again with gentoo
1243513590 M * urbi and did make uninstall for the util-vserver i manually configured
1243513601 M * Bertl and gentoo uses /usr/local/etc? sounds fishy to me
1243513650 M * urbi yep
1243513686 M * PowerKe sys-cluster/util-vserver-0.30.215-r1 doesn't
1243513736 M * richi_ hmm.. no answer - i just wanna know if it makes problems to run 3 samab server as vserver with the same interface and subnet?
1243513743 M * richi_ i have read that on the vserver side...
1243513745 M * richi_ site*
1243513758 J * xdr_ ~xdr@gote2.244.cust.blixtvik.net
1243513766 M * geb PowerKe, now we know that debian hasn't the oldest util-vserver version :)
1243513788 M * Bertl richi_: 10:40 < Bertl> depends on what you expect it to do
1243513814 M * urbi Bertl: i did make uninstall again and re-emerged util-vserver, nothing changes
1243513853 M * Bertl urbi: looks to me like you have some left overs from a previous install
1243513868 Q * xdr Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1243513892 M * PowerKe urbi: try equery files util-vserver
1243513908 M * urbi equery?
1243513911 M * richi_ oh - I'am blind like a mole ^^
1243513921 M * PowerKe it's in the gentoolkit
1243513932 M * PowerKe It will list you the files installed with the package
1243513938 M * richi_ so i have 3 samba domain controllers with winbind and trusted domains, so it could be important that bcast works for alle 3.
1243513961 M * richi_ winbind should run only with a wins server, but that piece of software is a little bit strange...
1243513988 M * richi_ newer version of samba dont work well, so that trusted domains and winbind wont work really well...
1243514013 M * Bertl sounds more like samba issues (config wise) than Linux-VServer related
1243514049 M * richi_ i have tried everything and the samba support doesnt know anything...
1243514053 J * cluk ~cluk@p5B17F8DF.dip.t-dialin.net
1243514067 M * Bertl soo, what's the actual problem?
1243514128 M * richi_ version like the 3.3.4 works not well... trusted domains work only with older versions. winbind and samba crashes very often... so samba 3.2.5 works and samba 3.3.4 works not...
1243514168 M * richi_ soemtimes there is no network connection, or it takes long..and than a time it works perfect... strange
1243514171 M * urbi works now, thx
1243514194 M * Bertl richi_: okay, still failing to see the relation to Linux-VServer here? please explain what exactly fails for you inside a guest, which works on the host (for example)
1243514247 Q * geb Remote host closed the connection
1243514258 M * richi_ hmm.. thats a good question... i don't know where i should search... i just have read that issue with bcast...
1243514284 M * Bertl which issue with bcast?
1243514304 M * richi_ that i couldnt have more than one samba server in a vserver with bcast...
1243514351 M * richi_ 3 samba server on a vserver wit hthe same network device on the same subnet
1243514394 M * Bertl as long as it happens on the IP layer, you should be fine
1243514413 M * richi_ http://linux-vserver.org/Problematic_Programs <- there it stand...
1243514537 M * richi_ and i don't udnerstand why 3.2.5 works and 3.3.x not....
1243514567 M * richi_ a update to >3.2.5 will also fail...
1243514580 M * richi_ after that it is very instable and winbind don't work well...
1243514671 M * Bertl well, besides bugging the samba folks, I can only suggest to run extensive debugging, and maybe strace -fF on the various samba services to find the difference between those versions
1243514733 M * richi_ well i have asked 1000 times the samba team and no one says anything... thats really bad :(
1243514825 M * Bertl not all support can be as good as on the Linux-VServer channel :)
1243514834 M * richi_ i know ^^
1243514860 M * Bertl but I do not use samba, so I have no idea what works and what doesn't ... not to speak of differences in the samba versions
1243514907 M * richi_ the samba support channel is bad... befor i will use a win2k3 server - i would jump out of the window... in the hope i will crash on bill gates ;)
1243514942 M * richi_ but i have a plan if i have more time i will install opensuse with samba on a real host...now i'am using debian with vserver..so that i understand whats running wrong...
1243515066 M * Bertl sounds like a plan
1243515177 Q * cluk Quit: Ex-Chat
1243515266 M * richi_ its a perfect plan ^^
1243515460 J * ensc|w ~ensc@www.sigma-chemnitz.de
1243515810 Q * ensc|w Quit: leaving
1243515831 J * ensc|w ~ensc@www.sigma-chemnitz.de
1243518937 M * richi_ so by i need to go... the world domination plan... and i the dictator will force ervery one to use vserver and pay you 1 cent ;)
1243518957 Q * richi_ Quit: Verlassend
1243519530 J * hparker ~hparker@linux.homershut.net
1243520055 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.135.32
1243520453 M * Net147 "Starting kernel log daemon...
1243520457 M * Net147 seems to hang
1243520570 M * PowerKe Net147: in a guest? Disable kernel logging (comment /proc/kmsg for syslog-ng)
1243520821 M * Net147 PowerKe: thanks that did it. though I get this strange "id: cannot find name for group ID 19" when entering the vserver.
1243520931 M * PowerKe check /etc/passwd file if someone belongs to group 19 and then check if it exists in /etc/groups
1243520958 M * Net147 PowerKe: root belongs to log group (19) on host but this group doesn't exist in the vserver
1243520990 M * PowerKe and which group do you have for root in the guest?
1243521023 M * Net147 root is part of root group
1243521146 M * Net147 how to drop groups when entering vserver?
1243521269 M * PowerKe no idea
1243521286 M * Bertl what util-vserver version?
1243521300 M * Net147 0.30.216-pre2833
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1243521373 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.244.cust.blixtvik.net
1243521423 M * Bertl hmm, please contact daniel_hozac (or file a bug report) I think this should be reseton enter/exec
1243521932 Q * imcsk8 Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
1243521973 M * Net147 Bertl: i'm just about to sleep. could you forward to daniel_hozac for me?
1243522201 Q * Net147 
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1243522569 J * xdr ~xdr@gote2.244.cust.blixtvik.net
1243524565 Q * cga Quit: got a DELL??? update you BIOS with http://github.com/cga/dellbiosupdate.sh/tree/master ;)
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1243525000 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1243525600 Q * kir Remote host closed the connection
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1243526105 J * pmenier ~pmenier@ACaen-152-1-15-122.w83-115.abo.wanadoo.fr
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1243527797 J * FireEgl FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com
1243527936 Q * urbi 
1243528032 J * larsivi ~larsivi@70.84-48-63.nextgentel.com
1243528247 M * Mr_Smoke Hi crowd
1243528285 M * Mr_Smoke I'm thinking about giving the whole hashify-thing a shot
1243528306 M * Mr_Smoke However it seems that the documentation is rather scarce (no accusations here eh)
1243528328 M * Mr_Smoke Any pointers as to where to start ? I'm running Gentoo for one thing, and I'm not too sure about the whole pkgmgmt thing
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1243529116 M * Bertl Mr_Smoke: http://linux-vserver.org/Documentation
1243529138 M * Bertl especially: http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Linux_2.6 and http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Gentoo
1243529202 J * harobed ~harobed@arl57-1-82-231-110-14.fbx.proxad.net
1243529278 M * Bertl and if you have any questions ... feel free to ask here
1243529617 M * PowerKe Mr_Smoke: If you use Gentoo on the guests as well and want to use hashify, you'll have to build binary packages en re-use them in the other guests
1243529684 M * Mr_Smoke Oh ok
1243529706 M * Mr_Smoke Bertl: will look these up too
1243529735 M * PowerKe Otherwise timestamps won't match. You can also choose to ignore timestamps during hashify, but in that case unmerging packages will give problems.
1243529799 M * Mr_Smoke Hm I see
1243529814 M * Mr_Smoke Now I wonder if it's worth the trouble :p
1243529878 M * PowerKe Well, it's faster anyway to emerge binary packages in the other guests instead of rebuilding every package each time
1243529915 M * Mr_Smoke I do that already
1243529937 M * PowerKe no problem then
1243529938 M * Mr_Smoke In fact I remember following the howto (the url pasted by Bertl) very carefully
1243529957 M * Mr_Smoke So I've got the host building binpkgs, and the guests only build stuff the host doesn't have
1243529994 Q * Piet Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1243530006 M * Mr_Smoke My question was more : should I really care when my guests are all < 10G in disk space and < 1G in RAM (vsz) ...
1243530113 N * pmenier pmenier_off
1243530159 M * PowerKe Guess you'll have to decide that for yourself. You can always add disks and ram, if you use hashify you can save some
1243530188 M * PowerKe for ram, it depends on how many times you load the same binary in different guests
1243530201 M * PowerKe and libraries ofcourse
1243530267 M * Mr_Smoke Yeah, I get it
1243530273 M * Mr_Smoke Maybe next time then
1243530277 M * Mr_Smoke But thanks for the info :)
1243530655 J * Piet ~piet@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net
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1243536448 J * geos_one ~chatzilla@chello084115149052.4.graz.surfer.at
1243538022 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@tmo-104-40.customers.d1-online.com
1243538567 J * dutchy_ ~dutchy@ks25370.kimsufi.com
1243538613 M * dutchy_ hello guys
1243538626 M * dutchy_ I had a question i couldnt find the answer to in the documentation
1243538639 M * Bertl shoot
1243538663 M * dutchy_ What is common practice, performance wise or otherwise, with the filesystem/partition/lvm to use
1243538677 M * dutchy_ a seperate lvm for each guest for example?
1243538710 M * Bertl depends on what your setup is .. highest performance can be expected if you use unification
1243538725 M * Bertl (which requires to put the guests on the same partition)
1243538756 M * Bertl OTOH, if you want maximum isolation and/or user/group quota, you might want a separate partition for each guest
1243538804 M * dutchy_ that's our goal i think, maximum isolation
1243538866 M * dutchy_ of what order is the performance gain if you put it on the same partition?
1243538982 M * Bertl unification allows you to share disk space between guests in a 'secure' way, this results in identical inodes for identical files .. which in turn results in a common inode cache entry and thus shared read only memory for e.g. common libraries/executables
1243539027 M * dutchy_ ahh
1243539030 M * dutchy_ interesting
1243539072 M * Bertl this way it is possible to run like 100+ guests (which are reasonably similar) with a reasonable amount of memory
1243539118 M * dutchy_ well we have an abundance of memory :]
1243539124 M * dutchy_ 8GB iirc
1243539138 M * Bertl on a 64 bit system I hope?
1243539142 M * dutchy_ yeah
1243539168 M * dutchy_ i doubt we're even going to use 2GB
1243539174 M * dutchy_ but it was cheap :]
1243539201 M * Bertl you can't have too much memory, unless you want to suspend to disk :)
1243539489 M * dutchy_ is the bit in the FAQ the only documentation about unification?
1243539507 M * Bertl probably not
1243539584 M * dutchy_ The page about Unification on the wiki is listed but non-existent :(
1243539690 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Paper#Unification
1243539701 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Vhashify
1243539720 M * dutchy_ i found the hashify page indeed
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1243539758 M * dutchy_ thanks for the help :)
1243539766 M * Bertl you're welcome!
1243539976 M * dutchy_ what happens when files from one vserver are unified with another and you upgrade the first one? or the other way around?
1243539995 M * Bertl the links are CoW (copy on write)
1243540013 M * Bertl so the update will work fine
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1243540348 J * larsivi ~larsivi@70.84-48-63.nextgentel.com
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1243543217 M * micah has anyone been able to get multiple tun devices on one host so more than one vserver guest can access different devices?
1243543239 M * Bertl sure, where is the problem?
1243543734 J * uva_ bno@118-160-161-130.dynamic.hinet.net
1243544124 M * micah Bertl: i haven't tried it for a long time, before I could only get one with openvpn, but maybe that was a loooong time ago (maybe 2.6.8 days)
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1243544666 M * micah i think that the limitation was that they had to be in different subnets
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1243544827 J * urbi ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1243544828 M * urbi :)
1243544864 M * urbi Can not find a vserver-setup at '/usr/local/etc/vservers/game/'.
1243544865 M * urbi again
1243544878 M * urbi and i removed & unmerged util-vserver 
1243544881 M * urbi and re-emerged it
1243544935 M * urbi box4 util-vserver-0.30.216-pre2833 # equery files util-vserver
1243544935 M * urbi [ Searching for packages matching util-vserver... ]
1243545447 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@c207119.adsl.hansenet.de
1243546363 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving
1243546364 M * Bertl micah: util-vserver now configures and tags the tun device for the guest
1243546396 M * Bertl urbi: what is the exact command you call?
1243546461 M * micah Bertl: oh, so if you run openvpn inside the guest like it describes on http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Can_I_run_an_OpenVPN_Server_in_a_guest.
1243546533 M * Bertl is already somewhat outdated
1243546542 M * urbi Bertl: util-vserver was in a wrong place  /usr/local/lib/ instead of /usr/lib .. i moved it there now it works
1243546564 M * Bertl moved it there? sounds fishy
1243546579 M * micah i can update the page with the updated infos, once I know what they are
1243546597 M * Bertl http://www.nongnu.org/util-vserver/doc/conf/configuration.html search for tun
1243546600 M * urbi i have no idea why it was there though
1243546628 M * Bertl urbi: sounds like: gee, I installed bash, but it was in the wrong place, so I moved it to /bin/bash ...
1243546691 M * urbi well i dont know what else to do
1243546704 M * Bertl what I mean is: there are two options IMHO;
1243546733 M * Bertl 1) your package/emerge/whatever did install it in the wrong place (which means that it is broken)
1243546773 M * Bertl 2) you moved it away from the intended/correct place, to satisfy a setup which doesn't match the original config (i.e. is now broken :)
1243547716 M * micah omg
1243547721 M * urbi umm
1243547722 M * micah the flower page, what happened!?
1243547730 M * micah its not as pretty any more!
1243547739 M * urbi Bertl: what should i do :<
1243547951 M * Bertl urbi: first, get rid of all installation of util-vserver in the various places you might have installed them
1243547989 M * Bertl then, make sure that the package or whatever you install uses the proper pathes for your distro
1243548000 M * urbi which means, manually deleting all util-vserver folders?
1243548026 M * urbi it worked before, i must of screwed something up while manually compiling util-vserver
1243548031 M * urbi the newer version
1243548045 M * Bertl well, you probably didn't configure it (with your pathes)
1243548046 M * urbi i guess i messed up something there
1243548056 M * urbi yes, but why does gentoo now emerge it with the same pathes?
1243548063 M * urbi why doesnt it use the default ones like before?
1243548086 M * Bertl no, it doesn't, but your shell defaults ($PATH) probably gives priority to the local installs
1243548124 M * Bertl and if you have several versions of util-vserver installed at the same time, you need to be _very_ careful what your path settings contain :)
1243548138 M * urbi well, where can i change that path?
1243548141 M * Bertl (otherwise you get a nice mix, which breaks every now and then)
1243548172 M * Bertl you configure the pathes with the ./configure (if you build util-vserver yourself), and they are preconfigured in distribution packages
1243548204 M * urbi yes, i screwed it up with configure before
1243548216 M * Bertl (almost all distros use /usr and /vservers, except for debian, which uses something different :)
1243548225 M * urbi but if they are preconfigured in distro, then it should use the right ones when emerging again
1243548246 M * Bertl and it does so, doesn't help you with the files in the wrong pathes from your manual install
1243548271 M * Bertl /usr/local/something is not going away, just because you install /usr/something-else, no?
1243548340 M * urbi yes but whats pointing it to usr/local
1243548386 M * Bertl as I explained several times now, when you _build_ util-vserver, you configure certain pathes (which default to /usr/local/... if you fail to do so)
1243548412 M * Bertl those pathes will be recorded in several places in the installed utils
1243548443 M * Bertl if you trigger a script from this installation, and chances are good that you will, it will use exactly those _configured_ pathes
1243548458 M * urbi so i need to remove all that stuff
1243548480 M * Bertl exactly, usually you do that with 'make uninstall' :)
1243548487 M * urbi i did make uninstall
1243548489 M * urbi like three times
1243548497 M * urbi now i've deleted the util-vserver folder
1243548500 M * Bertl but probably _after_ you changed the config :)
1243548502 M * urbi the one i downloaded
1243548506 M * urbi damn :)
1243548514 M * urbi so i download it again and ./configure with correct path
1243548518 M * urbi and then what
1243548520 M * urbi make uninstall ?
1243548527 M * Marillion ? Bertl gives the award for his patience
1243548542 A * urbi feels f*ckin lame
1243548559 M * Bertl urbi: well, no, if you configure it with the _correct_ path, it won't uninstall the files installed with the _wrong_ path, no?
1243548580 M * urbi so i need to manually remove all the files
1243548584 M * urbi if i cant do make uninstall
1243548584 M * Bertl urbi: chances are good that you just hit './configure' the first time you tried, yes?
1243548590 M * urbi yes
1243548594 M * urbi u got me
1243548602 M * Bertl so, do that again, and then run 'make uninstall'
1243548623 Q * phedny Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1243548627 M * Bertl so it will uninstall the _unconfigured_ files (i.e. the ones in /usr/local/...)
1243548650 M * Bertl then check if you find any remains from your 'happy moving files around' episode :)
1243548665 M * Bertl and get rid of them too ...
1243548725 M * urbi :)
1243548729 M * Bertl if you want to build the utils yourself then (because you like a newer version than the one in your distro), simply ./configure util-vserver till it shows the 'proper' pathes for your setup
1243548741 M * Bertl it gives a nice overview of what will be located where, etc
1243548770 M * Bertl make sure that those are correct, and you do not get any warnings (like e.g. missing dietlibc or crypt library :)
1243548786 M * Bertl make sure a second and maybe third time :)
1243548797 M * Bertl then build util-vserver and install it
1243548828 M * Bertl do not touch the source or configure anymore at this point, so you can 'make uninstall' the whole thing if you want to upgrade or change
1243548904 J * phedny ~mark@phedny.vps.van-cuijk.nl
1243548924 M * Bertl sounds doable?
1243548930 M * urbi yes :)
1243548932 M * urbi trying :P
1243548934 M * urbi thanks :)
1243548935 M * Bertl good :)
1243549086 M * urbi everything in the right place now, or so it seems
1243549087 M * urbi thx
1243549140 M * Bertl np
1243549180 Q * dna Quit: Verlassend
1243549696 M * Floops[w] Bertl, .. what is a good front end to use with vserver again
1243550141 M * Bertl like web frontend?
1243550173 Q * harobed Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1243550257 M * Floops[w] like how webmin interfaces with the box
1243550267 M * Floops[w] control panel basically
1243550287 M * urbi openvcp
1243550288 M * Bertl http://tinyurl.com/4y8mhc
1243550324 M * Bertl hmm, that didn't work out as expected ...
1243550330 M * Bertl http://tinyurl.com/create.php?url=http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#Is_there_a_web-based_interface_for_vserver_that_will_allow_creation.2Fdeletion.2Fconfiguration_etc._of_vserver_guests.3F
1243550368 M * Bertl semms to be a bug in tinyurl, so please use the full url
1243550392 M * Floops[w] k
1243550397 M * urbi Floops[w]: try openvcp
1243550425 M * Bertl webmin should have some support too, IIRC
1243550454 M * urbi openvps.org
1243550454 M * urbi  June 10, 2008
1243550454 M * urbi This is the home page of the OpenVPS project.
1243550454 M * urbi Please excuse us while this site is being rebuilt using a different framework!! 
1243550464 M * urbi for a year?
1243550536 M * Bertl well, 'we' are migrating the wiki for two years now
1243550544 M * urbi hehe
1243550557 M * urbi but atleast there's something to see
1243550561 M * urbi either on the new or the old
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