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1239586097 J * Kamping_Kaiser ~kgoetz@ppp121-45-204-15.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net
1239586106 M * Kamping_Kaiser hi all :)
1239586283 M * Kamping_Kaiser is a vserver capable kernel required to run `vserver <foo> build`, or just to start them after building?
1239586961 M * daniel_hozac depends on how you're building it. but in general, it's required.
1239587045 M * Kamping_Kaiser ah, bugger. I'll have to restart to pick up the new kernel then.
1239588401 M * Kamping_Kaiser aiui, vserver allows me to set an upper limit of resource usage for a context. can that be based on system load? (i'm thinking about putting two build environments in vservers)
1239588450 M * daniel_hozac not unless you write something to monitor it and adjust the limits accordingly.
1239588467 M * daniel_hozac but what is it that you want to do?
1239588630 M * Kamping_Kaiser now and then a software build job gets pushed to the machine. currently i have a 64+32bit chroots, and they get to fight for resources. i'm trying to establish if vservers can give them a fixed minimum level of resources, with a soft+hard upper limit.
1239588763 M * daniel_hozac do you need the hard upper limit? fair sharing is really easy to accomplish.
1239588875 M * Kamping_Kaiser no, dont require a hard limit.
1239588885 M * Kamping_Kaiser s/dont/I don't
1239588989 M * Kamping_Kaiser daniel_hozac, thanks for that, i'll continue my reading :)
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1239596381 M * litw Hi everyone! I cannot access http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.29-vs2.3.0.36.9-pre4.diff, so how to get the patch? Thanks
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1239603204 M * urbi i can access it, litw
1239603296 M * urbi litw: http://si-shell.info/patch-2.6.29-vs2.3.0.36.9-pre4.diff
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1239606266 M * urbi np
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1239610397 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1239610407 M * Bertl morning folks!
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1239615223 M * Kamping_Kaiser ops. forgot to rejoin
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1239622702 J * nou Chaton@2001:6f8:328:bbc:6666:6667::
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1239624180 Q * Pazzo 
1239624957 M * ktwilight Bertl, delta-pivot-fix01.diff works fine in the sense that there aren't any error messages when vserver is started
1239624987 M * ktwilight testme.sh runs fine too, it was before too.
1239625000 M * ktwilight if there's anything else to test for the pivot namespace, do let me know :)
1239625024 M * Bertl sounds good, please check for unusual kernel messages or memory loss
1239625055 M * Bertl (not that I expect anything unusual)
1239625093 M * ktwilight np, will do
1239625109 M * ktwilight o
1239625115 M * ktwilight there are some stuff in logs
1239625151 M * ktwilight Bertl, http://rafb.net/p/ELz36A36.html
1239625199 M * Bertl that's fine if you 'enter' a guest (and then run vps or something similar)
1239625241 J * cga_ ~weechat@82.84.138.99
1239625265 M * ktwilight i don't have any vps or similar on the guest
1239625293 M * ktwilight the guest only has cron and rsyslog running.
1239625295 M * Bertl vps as in the ps wrapper which shows all guests
1239625299 M * ktwilight ah
1239625316 M * ktwilight :)
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1239633401 M * Bertl nap attack .. bbl
1239633414 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
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1239635054 N * DoberMann DoberMann[PullA]
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1239639885 J * ryker ~ryker@199.117.46.155
1239640182 M * ryker Hi all.  Does anyone know if I need hald running inside a minimal CentOS 5.3 guest?
1239640653 M * mnemoc doesn't make much sense to me
1239640856 M * dowdle ryker: I think some desktop apps use hald but if you aren't running any, you don't need it.
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1239645047 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1239645073 M * Bertl back now ...
1239645076 J * doener ~doener@i59F5BDC9.versanet.de
1239645168 M * Bertl ryker: IIRC, hald is the Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon ... so as most hardware is not available inside a guest, no point in having hald there either
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1239645660 M * ryker Sorry.  i was away for a bit. Thanks all for the replies.
1239645694 M * ryker dowdle: I think you are thinking of dbus, not hald
1239645713 M * ryker I left dbus running, but I probably don't really need that either.
1239645722 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@148.229.1.11
1239645762 M * Bertl dbus is used for message passing between desktop apps
1239645780 M * dowdle ryker: I always assumed hald and dbus worked together.  I think hald would notice things like hardware changes... and then dbus would commuicate the changes to software... like USB insertiions, etc.
1239645832 M * Bertl well, hald, connects to the dbus messaging system ... so kind of, yeah :)
1239646091 M * ryker ok.  I think I will go ahead and disable both.  I don't think I would need either running for a guest running only bind.
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1239646704 M * Bertl ryker: definitely not :)
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1239659471 N * DoberMann[PullA] DoberMann[ZZZzzz]
1239659573 N * Philadelphia uva
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1239660990 J * GNUcifer ~ct@pipapo.org
1239661013 M * GNUcifer this kernel bug becoming annoying
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1239661020 N * GNUcifer cehteh
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1239663095 J * bourgeau ~bourgeau@tomsoieur.fr
1239663365 M * geb hi
1239663424 M * cehteh is slab mandatory for vserver or will slub work too?
1239663455 M * geb slub work fine for myself
1239663485 M * Bertl cehteh: whatever you prefer ...
1239663498 M * cehteh well i thought so and using it .. but i am still having this kernel memory leak
1239663510 M * cehteh and not yet found (was busy with other things) the cause
1239663517 M * Bertl you mean, the problem with creating 5 mio files in a dir?
1239663535 M * cehteh but i now desperately building a new kernel at least for the server which crashes constantly
1239663551 M * cehteh well now i cant even 'du -sh' the system (never tried before)
1239663561 M * cehteh or any biggier subtree
1239663580 M * Bertl I'd suggest to try with an unpatched (non Linux-VServer) kernel
1239663586 M * cehteh and again its kernel memory which goes into nirvana not userland
1239663588 M * cehteh not caches
1239663595 M * cehteh yes
1239663604 M * cehteh but i need this box running a vserver :)
1239663622 M * Bertl yeah, but if the issue remains (which I presume) then you have to report it upstream
1239663631 M * cehteh and a tried in kvm matching the kernel as best as i can 
1239663673 M * cehteh i was just bit slow, compiling .. few hours later tried booting and ran tests .. being busy with other things
1239663681 M * cehteh so testing takes a lot of time
1239663710 M * cehteh and i dont like to vague bug reports i would like to find at least the subsystem where the bug is
1239663731 M * cehteh "my kernel leaks memory, but i dont know why" wont help anyone
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1239663798 M * Bertl as I said several times, I don't think the memory is 'leaked' ...
1239663849 J * imcsk8 ~ichavero@189.155.84.22
1239663931 M * Bertl anyway .. off to bed now ... good luck!
1239663936 N * Bertl Bertl_zZ
1239664085 M * geb good night Bertl :)
1239664101 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1239664221 M * cehteh i dont care if its 'leaked' or just 'never freed in common usage patterns' the result is the same
1239664371 M * cehteh telling a user to "you have to switch to runlevel 1, umount and remount your data partitions to free kernel memory" is a bit impractical :]
1239664667 M * hparker http://telespoof.com/
1239664696 M * hparker Ugh... Sorry, mischannel
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1239665192 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1239666033 M * hparker If you go to restart a guest and it complains about the fs and wants the password.. After giving the password do you proceed as normal?
1239666536 M * cehteh why should a guest need a password?
1239666558 M * cehteh encrypted filesystem? ssh agent?
1239666562 M * cehteh sshfs?
1239666565 M * daniel_hozac you shouldn't run any type of fsck in guests.
1239666577 M * daniel_hozac primarily because they have no devices to run it on.
1239667192 J * root ~Neo@adsl-241-146-111.bna.bellsouth.net