1238025985 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.1
1238026961 J * doener ~doener@i59F54585.versanet.de
1238028492 Q * daniel_hozac Quit: brb
1238028565 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@2001:16d8:ff15:100::102
1238028675 Q * daniel_hozac 
1238028709 J * daniel_hozac ~daniel@2001:16d8:ff15:100::102
1238029138 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com
1238032917 Q * DjMT Read error: Connection reset by peer
1238033000 J * arew264 ~arew264@c-76-31-144-66.hsd1.tx.comcast.net
1238033643 J * DjMT ~medz___@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238033728 M * arew264 I just tried to start my first VServer and got "vnamespace: vc_set_namespace(): Function not implemented"
1238033751 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection
1238033764 M * arew264 I'm running the right kernel, is there anything I should look at to find out what's making that error?
1238033784 M * daniel_hozac what kernel is that, and what util-vserver version?
1238033790 J * aaronyy ~aaronyy@cpe-72-225-191-236.nyc.res.rr.com
1238033822 M * arew264 the kernel is... 2.6.28.7-vs2.3.0.36.7-ARCH
1238033841 M * arew264 and util-vserver is 0.30.210
1238033876 M * daniel_hozac might want to get some recent utils and try again.
1238033900 M * arew264 ah, I assumed they were up to date when the kernel was up to date
1238033933 M * arew264 I guess whoever wrote the package build script must not be installing his own packages
1238033936 M * arew264 thanks
1238034077 M * daniel_hozac hehe. you're welcome.
1238034102 J * FireEgl ~FireEgl@173-16-9-10.client.mchsi.com
1238034150 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238034660 Q * scientes Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238034749 M * arew264 updating the utils got everything working
1238034762 M * arew264 although I can't get sshd to start
1238034844 M * daniel_hozac why not?
1238035009 M * arew264 I get this: sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path
1238035042 M * arew264 oh wait, that's my fault, one sec
1238035115 M * arew264 if I run it from the full path like they want, it just fails silently
1238035265 Q * aaronyy Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238035368 J * aaronyy ~aaronyy@cpe-72-225-191-236.nyc.res.rr.com
1238035374 M * arew264 if I run it in debug mode, it works
1238035404 M * daniel_hozac silently? nothing in the logs at all?
1238035433 M * arew264 well
1238035441 M * arew264 I'm not sure the logs are working XD
1238035545 M * arew264 syslog-ng is running
1238035555 M * arew264 but I had to disable all the kernel logging in the config
1238035609 M * arew264 I'm running Arch in my vserver, and all I've done is install a base system to the right directory
1238035647 M * arew264 and I used "ip" to add an address to eth0 and I gave the resulting interface to the vserver
1238035700 J * litw ~litw@123.127.250.67
1238035710 M * arew264 so if I run `/usr/sbin/sshd -d`, sshd starts up, listens, and I can connect to it on the IP I gave the vserver
1238035720 M * arew264 but if I run `/usr/bin/sshd`, nothing seems to happen
1238035762 M * arew264 ah, there's the error
1238035766 M * arew264 "daemon() failed: No such device"
1238035775 Q * litw Remote host closed the connection
1238035849 M * daniel_hozac do you have /dev/null as c 1 3?
1238035854 M * arew264 from what I'm reading, that means /dev/null doesn't exist
1238035856 M * arew264 lemme check...
1238035870 M * arew264 nope, it's a regular file
1238035871 M * arew264 that would do it
1238035875 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1238035893 M * arew264 gah, I get "operation not permitted"
1238035905 M * arew264 is there a way I'm supposed to do this through vserver rather than mknod?
1238035914 M * daniel_hozac just copy it from the host.
1238035919 M * daniel_hozac guests aren't allowed to create device nodes.
1238035931 M * daniel_hozac huuuge security thing.
1238035938 M * arew264 that does make sense
1238035938 M * arew264 okay
1238036107 M * arew264 okay, I did a mknode from outside the vserver, and everything seems to work
1238036121 M * arew264 that was waay less painful to set up than I thought it would be...
1238036143 M * arew264 are there any security risks related to the thing I did where I added an ip address to eth0?
1238036156 M * arew264 I'm not sure if that's technically an alias, but the resulting interface is eth0:1
1238036164 M * daniel_hozac no, that's how it's usually run.
1238036182 M * arew264 that's not how the wiki recommends it, so I was worried
1238036195 M * arew264 the vserver can see eth0, but I get permission denied if I try to shut it down
1238036208 M * daniel_hozac guests shouldn't try to mess with anything hardware related.
1238036225 M * daniel_hozac the should only start and stop the services they run.
1238036230 M * daniel_hozac everything else belongs on the host.
1238036235 M * arew264 yes
1238036248 M * arew264 the vserver shouldn't be able to shut down eth0
1238036252 M * arew264 so that's fine
1238036288 M * arew264 just out of curiosity, is the loopback interface shared between the host and the vservers?
1238036382 J * litw ~litw@123.127.250.67
1238036396 M * daniel_hozac networking happens on the host, guests are just limited to a subset of IP addresses.
1238036447 M * arew264 so the loopback interface they see is the same loopback that the host sees?
1238036462 J * aj__ ~aj@e180193106.adsl.alicedsl.de
1238036599 M * litw hi, all. what does __vxh_set_vx_info do, pls?
1238036881 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238036927 M * daniel_hozac arew264: yeah.
1238036939 M * daniel_hozac litw: sets the vx_info for the history code. why do you ask?
1238037223 M * arew264 heh, htop is reporting that I'm using -597 MB of RAM
1238037364 M * arew264 apparantly is only counts RAM used by processes, so somewhere it's subtracting and getting a negative
1238037979 M * arew264 well, I'm amazed by linux-vserver so far
1238037993 M * arew264 I'll be playing around with it some more tomorrow
1238037997 Q * arew264 Quit: night
1238038989 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1238040357 J * DjMT ~medz___@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238041944 Q * DjMT Read error: Connection reset by peer
1238041962 J * DjMT haroot@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238042258 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238043060 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
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1238043747 J * FireEgl FireEgl@173.16.9.10
1238045005 Q * FireEgl Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238045593 J * FireEgl Proteus@Sebastian.Atlantica.US.TO
1238046142 J * leslin ~litw@123.127.250.67
1238046287 Q * litw Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238046677 Q * balbir_ Read error: Connection reset by peer
1238047085 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1238047089 M * Bertl morning folks!
1238047193 Q * nenolod Quit: my eyes cannot compute this misery.
1238047220 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238047252 Q * nenolod 
1238047376 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238047422 Q * nenolod 
1238047451 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238047666 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.146.136
1238048031 Q * nenolod Quit: my eyes cannot compute this misery.
1238048045 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238048226 Q * nenolod 
1238048241 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238048295 Q * nenolod 
1238048319 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238048585 Q * nenolod 
1238048608 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238048713 Q * nenolod Remote host closed the connection
1238048751 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238049387 M * Bertl nenolod: please stop that immediately!
1238049406 M * nenolod sorry. it keeps crashing.
1238049458 M * Bertl 'it' being your irc client or machine?
1238049518 M * nenolod client
1238049543 M * Bertl what client is that?
1238049645 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238049808 M * nenolod one i wrote myself
1238049838 M * Bertl okay, fair enough :) but keep the testing (on this channel) low ...
1238050339 J * DjMT haroot@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238050339 J * sharkjaw ~gab@149-240-82.oke2-bras6.adsl.tele2.no
1238050640 J * berth ~berth@81.171.37.207
1238050649 Q * bzed Remote host closed the connection
1238050658 J * bzed ~bzed@devel.recluse.de
1238051048 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl
1238051054 N * Bertl Bertl_oO
1238051169 Q * berth Quit: Read error: 2.71828182846 (Excessive e)
1238051243 J * berth ~berth@81.171.37.207
1238051460 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238051838 N * pmenier_off pmenier
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1238052463 Q * nenolod Quit: my eyes cannot compute this misery.
1238052477 J * nenolod nenolod@petrie.dereferenced.org
1238052871 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1238053233 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection)
1238053693 J * davidkarban ~david@88.86.104.103
1238053866 J * Piet ~piet@asteria.debian.or.at
1238054388 J * DjMT ~medz___@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238054694 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
1238054712 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
1238055150 J * esa` bip@62.123.8.199
1238055179 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238055330 J * cga ~weechat@62.196.2.6
1238055425 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238055617 M * berth Thanx all! Yesterday I was googling all day for clue's with regard to multicasting and vserver. A collegue of mine told me to look overhere for some clue and the topic (with adress of the wiki) helped! :)
1238055701 J * esa bip@62.123.8.25
1238055721 Q * esa` Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238055741 M * Bertl_oO berth: excellent!
1238055761 M * fb morning Bertl_oO :)
1238055769 J * dsoul darksoul@insomniac.pl
1238055822 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1238056091 M * Bertl_oO berth: excellent!
1238056153 M * berth http://linux-vserver.org/Multicast helped
1238056209 M * berth for me as a relative vserver nitwit I did try putting all multicast ip's in 1/ip first. But when I made seperate directories for each ip it worked.
1238056252 M * Bertl_oO hehe, yeah, the 'many IPs in one file' error is quite common
1238056272 M * berth I was thinking interface alias'es
1238056292 M * berth as in non vserver interfaces
1238056373 M * berth I must say that I was in doubt allready when trying. ;-) But this was the easyest way so I tried this first.
1238056421 J * thierryp ~thierry@zircon.inria.fr
1238056693 J * DjMT ~medz___@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238056947 J * sharkjaw ~gab@149-240-82.oke2-bras6.adsl.tele2.no
1238057190 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238057217 J * bourgeau ~bourgeau@tomsoieur.fr
1238057548 J * DjMT haroot@cpe-76-169-80-109.socal.res.rr.com
1238058469 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
1238058823 Q * bourgeau Quit: bourgeau
1238058875 J * nas ~chatzilla@opengw.lga.net.sg
1238058894 M * nas guys i can't find the solution for this
1238058899 M * nas my vserver guest can DNS RESOLVE IP BUT NOT HOSTNAME
1238059035 M * leslin Hi! Does anyone know what is reaper of process?
1238059072 M * PowerKe nas: what do you mean by dns resolve ip? Reverse lookup?
1238059133 J * scientes ~scientes@75-165-16-192.tukw.qwest.net
1238059153 M * nas powerke: no not reverse lookup. ping IP but not hostname
1238059166 M * PowerKe ping != resolve :)
1238059173 M * PowerKe check your /etc/resolv.conf
1238059190 Q * DjMT Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238059192 M * nas set just like the rest of my servers
1238059201 Q * aj__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238059203 M * nas using the same file
1238059212 M * nas can telnet to port 53 of DNS server
1238059355 J * DjMT haroot@76.169.80.109
1238059532 M * PowerKe nas: /etc/nsswitch.conf maybe?
1238059604 M * PowerKe btw, telnet usually uses udp/53 instead of tcp/53 (for single lookups, tcp is mostly used for zone transfers between nameservers)
1238059622 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net
1238059725 Q * scientes Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238059741 J * aj__ ~aj@80.69.42.51
1238059898 M * nas powerke: you got it right
1238059900 M * nas :)
1238059902 M * nas thanks so much
1238059949 J * cluk ~cluk@p5B17F530.dip.t-dialin.net
1238060244 J * scientes ~scientes@75-165-94-57.tukw.qwest.net
1238061558 M * Bertl_oO leslin: you're working your way through the Linux-VServer kernel code?
1238061696 M * Bertl_oO to answer the reaper question: the reaper is the process waiting for (orphaned) children (processes) to die, and then reap them 
1238062274 J * bourgeau ~bourgeau@euclide.rsr.lip6.fr
1238062309 J * bourgeau_ ~bourgeau@euclide.rsr.lip6.fr
1238062309 Q * bourgeau Read error: Connection reset by peer
1238062635 M * Bertl_oO leslin: to answer your previous question (about the __vxh_set_vx_info) this is one of the history tracing helper which records when set_vx_info() was called
1238063564 Q * nas Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008061015]
1238064319 J * takeru ~takeru@nttkyo330213.tkyo.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp
1238064428 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238064726 J * bono bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net
1238064768 Q * bono Read error: Connection reset by peer
1238064778 J * bono bono@118-160-160-120.dynamic.hinet.net
1238065104 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.111.119
1238065245 J * aaronyy ~aaronyy@cpe-72-225-191-236.nyc.res.rr.com
1238065360 M * leslin help
1238065399 M * nenolod is linux-vserver ported to 2.6.29 yet?
1238065820 Q * aaronyy Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1238065937 Q * leslin Quit: 暂离
1238066180 N * DoberMann[ZZZzzz] DoberMann
1238066191 M * pmenier nenolod: it seems there is a testing version here: http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Experimental/patch-2.6.29-vs2.3.0.36.9-pre1.diff
1238066231 M * nenolod fantastic, thanks
1238066282 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1238066528 J * Punkie ~Punkie@2a01:5f0:1:80:216:d4ff:fe05:5987
1238066601 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238067806 N * ensc Guest146
1238067816 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p57AA612C.dip.t-dialin.net
1238067923 Q * Guest146 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
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1238070791 J * doener ~doener@i59F569BB.versanet.de
1238071716 Q * aj__ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238071925 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection
1238072617 J * litw ~litw@123.127.250.67
1238072650 Q * litw 
1238073576 J * yarihm ~yarihm@77-56-182-18.dclient.hispeed.ch
1238074340 J * jrdnyquist ~jrdnyquis@slayer.caro.net
1238074838 M * critch is there a way to stop a guest by context id? for some reason, I started a guest and the name is empty in the vserver-stat listing.
1238074962 M * daniel_hozac use vkill to kill the processes.
1238075047 M * critch Thank you
1238075090 M * critch hmm, makes me wonder if there should be a slay like command that could kill everything in a context?
1238075104 M * critch writing a script for that shouldn't be too hard.
1238075193 M * daniel_hozac you already have vkill...
1238075222 M * daniel_hozac just like for kill, -1 means every process but init.
1238075265 M * critch ahh, had I did a --help, I would have seen a --xid option.
1238075305 M * critch I just use vps to get a listing of the pids greped for the context I needed killed and the issued the vkill for the only process in it.
1238075462 M * Bertl_oO maybe we should add a 'vserver name kill' at some point?
1238075491 M * daniel_hozac well, what usually happens is that the name is no longer associated with the xid.
1238075507 M * critch in my case, the vserver name options didn't help due to the name not being available in the vserver-stat listing
1238075536 M * Bertl_oO daniel_hozac: but it could get the xid from the config
1238075634 M * critch Bertl_oO: I would like to see vservername be checked first as a literal string for name, and then checked to be a int and used as a xid then. 
1238075650 M * critch That would have solved my problem without needing to resort to killing a pid
1238075679 M * Bertl_oO well, if you have the xid, you can use the vkill
1238075719 M * critch right. but had I been able to user the vserver command with a xid, I could have stopped the guest instead of killing it.
1238075758 M * daniel_hozac not really.
1238075789 M * daniel_hozac you need to know the name to stop it. and since the xid to name mapping wasn't working for you, well, that wouldn't work.
1238075810 M * critch I think in my case, I might have found an options parsing bug. when I started the guest, I had a trailing slash due to using tab completion in a dir with vserver names. I think the trailing slash caused my trouble.
1238075832 M * daniel_hozac yep.
1238076153 Q * ruskie Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238076326 M * critch so far, no grief I have found with vserver is enough to even phase my love for the more effiecient way of virtualizing my machines than vmware server I had been using.
1238076453 M * ghislainocfs2 hum i have a little issue with vdlimit, i got vdlimit: vc_get_dlimit(): No such process error, any idea of why this appear ?
1238076479 M * ghislainocfs2 the mount is done with tag: /dev/mapper/main2vserver-vserv on /vservers type ext3 (rw,noatime,tag)
1238076491 M * daniel_hozac when did you get it? sounds like you set the limit while the guest was stopped.
1238076504 M * daniel_hozac uh, when it was running, and then you stopped it.
1238076534 M * ghislainocfs2 yes i done that but restarted it after
1238076547 M * daniel_hozac so, that's why you got it.
1238076598 M * ghislainocfs2 so the correct way is to setit before starting it ?
1238076608 M * daniel_hozac it doesn't matter.
1238076614 M * daniel_hozac you get it once.
1238076622 M * daniel_hozac just after setting the limit.
1238076683 J * ruskie ruskie@ruskie.user.oftc.net
1238077008 Q * ncopa Remote host closed the connection
1238077158 M * ghislainocfs2 ok let me try restarting all and testing again :)
1238077448 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1238078681 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.69.42.51
1238078834 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.201.136
1238078899 Q * docelic 
1238080331 J * Keeper longhorn40@90.151.186.54
1238080471 M * Keeper Hello all
1238080665 M * Keeper Well done developers produce Vserver patches for new kernels to the difference in a couple of days this is very pleased
1238081263 M * Keeper Who has a new kernel for CentOS in the form of RPM?
1238081528 M * ghislainocfs2 daniel_hozac: hum i cannot get another answer, even after restarting all vserver i still have the message : http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12798
1238081595 M * daniel_hozac ghislainocfs2: what filesystem is that on?
1238081610 M * ghislainocfs2 /dev/mapper/main2vserver-vserv on /vservers type ext3 (rw,noatime,tag)
1238081611 M * ghislainocfs2 ext3
1238081651 M * pmjdebru1jn I see updated ports for 2.6.{27.21|28.8|29} are available
1238081754 M * daniel_hozac ghislainocfs2: and aq0001 has been restarted since you set the limit? what does tail /etc/vservers/<guest>/dlimits/*/* show?
1238081919 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu
1238082008 M * ghislainocfs2 http://paste.linux-vserver.org/12799
1238082159 M * ghislainocfs2 i just tested with limiting /, perhaps i need to put the full real path ?
1238082428 J * aaronyy ~aaronyy@cpe-72-225-191-236.nyc.res.rr.com
1238082603 M * ghislainocfs2 ok it work, the directory should be the real path not relative path
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1238082989 J * esa bip@62.123.8.25
1238083000 Q * harobed Quit: Ex-Chat
1238083003 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net
1238083709 Q * FireEgl Remote host closed the connection
1238084524 J * FireEgl Proteus@FireEgl.CJB.Net
1238086094 Q * thierryp Quit: ciao folks
1238086646 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6.1
1238086874 J * ghislainocfs21 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1238087194 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238087364 J * gdm_ ~gdm@pistol.redetoile.net
1238087374 J * Supaplex_ ~supaplex@166.70.62.193
1238087393 J * micah_ ~micah@micah.riseup.net
1238087403 Q * aaronyy synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1238087403 Q * gdm synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1238087403 Q * micah synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1238087403 Q * Supaplex synthon.oftc.net charm.oftc.net
1238087943 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: hi
1238087988 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d
1238088040 M * Keeper daniel_hozac: Please update your RPM for Centos
1238088403 M * daniel_hozac what RPM is that?
1238088762 Q * tam Quit: Lost terminal
1238088847 J * tam ~tam@gw.nettam.com
1238088947 M * Keeper daniel_hozac http://rpm.hozac.com/dhozac/centos/ your repository?
1238089010 M * daniel_hozac yes.
1238089032 M * daniel_hozac i've got a number of RPMs though.
1238089075 M * Keeper daniel_hozac This is the old kernel of VServer?
1238089082 M * daniel_hozac "old kernel"?
1238089114 M * daniel_hozac it's the latest feature complete 2.3 series kernel i've had time to thoroughly test.
1238089160 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr
1238089200 M * Keeper daniel_hozac Sorry just thought that this latest version of the kernel to ensure that you could take them for tests
1238089216 M * daniel_hozac what?
1238089338 Q * neofutur Quit: leaving
1238089350 M * Keeper daniel_hozac I thought that this latest version of the kernel you have prepared for those who want to test a new version Vserver
1238089376 J * neofutur ~neofutur@xena.ww7.be
1238089378 A * jrdnyquist raises an eyebrow
1238089398 Q * ghislainocfs21 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1238089433 N * micah_ micah
1238089448 M * Keeper daniel_hozac Excuse me for my English
1238089469 N * Bertl_oO Bertl
1238089493 M * Bertl Keeper: np, we aren't native english speakers either ... (well, at least most here aren't :)
1238089534 M * Bertl Keeper: it should be simple to build your own 'bleeding edge' kernel
1238089597 M * Bertl http://linux-vserver.org/Installation_on_Linux_2.6
1238089729 M * Keeper Bertl Thanks, I just wanted to try a new kernel for CentOS, but I like Gentoo and then with the choice of the kernel is much simpler
1238089755 M * Bertl indeed, but using a custombuilt kernel on any distro is not a problem either
1238089780 M * Bertl i.e. you can usually use a recent kernel with most distros
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1238089917 M * Keeper Bertl:  	Yes, I just thought it might have who is doing RPM for CentOS and are willing to share :)
1238090051 M * Keeper Bertl: You very quickly produces VServer patches for new versions of the kernels... Good Work
1238090154 M * Bertl thanks!, yeah, usually we have a patch a few hours after a new release
1238090165 M * Bertl but it takes some time to test and fix regressions
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1238090435 M * Keeper Bertl: I like that you have such a speed, it allows users to VServer does not lag behind the main branch of the Linux kernel
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1238093191 M * critch is it better to have the host mount a filesystem into a dir for the guest, or mount into a normal /mnt or /media and have it linked in some manner to the guest?
1238093541 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.110.25
1238093608 M * Keeper critch: mount --bind
1238093917 M * daniel_hozac critch: depends on what you want to do.
1238093984 M * critch in this case I have 3 drives available over AOE that I use LVM to concat, and then mount. It is used for backups using bacula. I'm moving the guest that runs bacula from vmware to vserver.
1238094019 M * daniel_hozac does the host need to access it?
1238094027 M * critch not really
1238094044 M * daniel_hozac so it's probably best to just mount it into the guest directly then.
1238094063 M * critch okay, the guest will be okay with AOE and LVM?
1238094089 M * daniel_hozac if the host is...
1238094097 M * daniel_hozac the guest won't see any of that.
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1238097096 J * arew264 ~arew264@72.20.155.66
1238097194 M * arew264 every time I reboot my vserver, /dev/null vanishes
1238097211 M * arew264 should I look at vserver or my distro to find out why?
1238097241 M * Bertl in the scripts inside the guest (which are not properly cleaned up)
1238097260 M * Bertl I presume they try to 'recreate' it, but fail there
1238097267 M * arew264 ah, okay
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1238098525 M * arew264 well, it looks like my vserver is trying to start udev; should it do that?
1238098531 M * daniel_hozac no.
1238098532 M * arew264 I can't see a good reason why it would need to
1238098545 M * Bertl nah, it doesn't need that :)
1238098560 M * arew264 and I don't need filesystem mounting and checking either, really, except maybe tmpfs?
1238098561 M * Bertl and you do not want that either :)
1238098576 M * Bertl nope, all setup and such is done on the host
1238098587 M * Bertl what distro does your guest use?
1238098592 M * arew264 Arch
1238098609 M * arew264 I'm used to working with it, and I like the package manager, so I'm going through some additional pain to get it working
1238098626 M * arew264 the guest doesn't need to worry about the clock either?
1238098642 M * Bertl understandable, maybe try to do some automated cleanup like we already do for most distros
1238098659 M * Bertl basic rule is, you do not need anything except the services you want to run
1238098681 M * arew264 oh, good, that makes my life way simpler
1238098689 M * arew264 I'll go erase half of the init scripts...
1238098695 M * Bertl and you do not want anything which does direct hardware access or mounting or messing with devices
1238098770 M * arew264 no mounting at all?
1238098778 M * daniel_hozac no.
1238098778 M * arew264 I don't even need to worry about /tmp or anything?
1238098786 M * Bertl nope, that is done from util-vserver on guest startup
1238098794 M * Bertl via the fstab in the config
1238098806 M * arew264 okay.
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1238101019 M * arew264 okay, I deleted most of the initscript schtuffs, and everything seems to be working better, but shutdown is timing out
1238101037 M * arew264 if I run `halt` from inside the vserver, it shuts down within about 20 seconds
1238101051 M * arew264 but when I run `vserver test stop`, it times out
1238101072 M * arew264 I'm not sure what to look for...
1238101153 M * arew264 oh, and there are two init processes when the vserver times out... I'm not sure if there are supposed to be 2
1238101341 M * Bertl well, depending on the guest setup, there should be no init or one :0
1238101379 M * Bertl the basic question is: what is your init style and do you actually want/need an init
1238101409 M * Bertl if you do not need/want it, you can use sysv init style, and the shutdown should work fine
1238101461 M * Bertl if you want an init, it should act upon the signal sent to it by shutting down the services and then calling reboot()
1238101608 M * Bertl (might need some adjustments to inittab :)
1238101722 M * arew264 Arch actually uses SysV init
1238101739 M * arew264 and I might have deleted something I shouldn't have in /etc/inittab in the guest
1238101768 M * Bertl yeah, the question is if you want to use the sysv init style, or the plain init style :)
1238101784 M * Bertl i.e. run without init, or have a guest init
1238101794 M * arew264 if I run halt, the vserver is down within ten seconds, so something bad is happening
1238101806 M * arew264 and I'd prefer to keep as much as possible of the Arch system the same
1238101812 M * arew264 because it simplifies package management
1238101825 M * Bertl does it use init for that?
1238102004 M * arew264 no, but I imagine that changing init styles around would involve changing the initscripts more than I already have
1238102033 M * Bertl not really, with 'sysv' init style, util-vserver calls the runlevel script
1238102045 M * arew264 well, I copied the inittab from the host to the guest, and the guest shuts down now
1238102046 M * Bertl (i.e. directly instead of spawning init)
1238102111 M * arew264 well... changing the init style would make things simpler
1238102116 M * arew264 I guess I'll look into changing it tonight
1238102136 M * Bertl you also get the startup/shutdown messages on the host
1238102145 M * arew264 but... the only thing that I deleted in inittab that might have broken things is when I deleted the line that makes ctrl+alt+delete work
1238102146 M * Bertl i.e. you see what services are started 
1238102153 M * arew264 that would be really handy
1238102176 M * Bertl well, there you go, the ctrl+alt+del is the reaction to the signal I mentioned before
1238102217 M * arew264 ah
1238102278 M * arew264 there's only one other problem I'm having
1238102283 M * arew264 and I'm not sure it's even a problem
1238102297 M * arew264 when I start the vserver, I get "RTNETLINK answers: File exists"
1238102302 M * arew264 but the network connection works fine
1238102321 M * arew264 and when I shut it down, I get "RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address"
1238102324 M * Bertl well, either your guest still tries to do some network (i.e. hardware) related setup
1238102331 J * bourgeau ~bourgeau@tomsoieur.fr
1238102338 M * Bertl or your network config for that guest is a little messed up
1238102409 M * arew264 well, everything matches the current settings; the interface is called eth0:test
1238102421 M * arew264 what does the name file mean? it's set to "1"
1238102441 M * Bertl what does the dev file contain?
1238102458 M * arew264 eth0:test
1238102471 M * Bertl here you go, that is simply wrong :)
1238102486 M * arew264 but... it works?
1238102488 M * Bertl first, the device in your case is 'eth0' 
1238102513 M * Bertl then, if you really want an alias, you can set the 'name' entry to 'test'
1238102518 M * arew264 oy
1238102523 M * arew264 mistype
1238102525 M * Bertl but usually that is not wanted or used anymore
1238102528 M * arew264 that isn't an alias
1238102536 M * arew264 it's just named like one; I'm not sure if it should be
1238102557 M * Bertl well ':" always means an alias
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1238102566 M * arew264 I got that interface by running `ip addr add xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/xx dev eth0 label eth0:test`
1238102567 M * Bertl as '.' always means a vlan
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1238102593 M * Bertl so you add it manually?
1238102621 M * Bertl if that is what you want, then you can remove the 'dev' and 'name' entry from the config, and touch a file called 'nodev'
1238102644 M * arew264 I'm adding an address to eth0, and assigning it to an interface label
1238102664 M * arew264 the label must contain "eth0", and for whatever reason, I put a colon in there
1238102664 M * Bertl yeah, the question is, why do you do that :)
1238102684 M * arew264 is there a standard notation for this?
1238102702 M * Bertl normally you let util-vserver configure the IP for you
1238102718 M * arew264 it will add an IP to the interface?
1238102725 M * Bertl and normally you use 'eth0' for that
1238102737 M * Bertl try the following:
1238102753 M * Bertl - remove that ip alias you added
1238102762 M * Bertl - put 'eth0' in the 'dev' entry
1238102774 M * Bertl - make sure that ip/prefix is set properly
1238102784 M * Bertl - start the guest
1238102801 M * Bertl you should then see 'eth0' with just the guest IP
1238102828 M * Bertl and on the host, you'll see the primary and the secondary (for the guest, or primary if it is in a different network)
1238102924 M * arew264 the guest sees eth0 and eth0:1
1238102934 M * arew264 and the host sees them as well
1238102944 M * Bertl well, you didn't remove the name entry :)
1238102966 M * Bertl but if you like the :1, you can leave it :)
1238102992 M * arew264 OH
1238102997 M * arew264 doh, okay
1238103160 M * arew264 yea, that fixed it
1238103200 M * Bertl :)
1238103368 M * arew264 okay, everything seems to work, I guess my next step will be to fix my vserver-initscripts package and write a Wiki article on guests in Arch Linux
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1238104882 M * ser is it possible to prevent guest from bringing down primary ip?
1238104965 M * daniel_hozac yes, it's prevented by default.
1238105163 M * ser no, it is not. i was trying to give guest the same ip as host, and during vserver stop of this guest i lost connectivity to the server
1238105186 M * daniel_hozac that would most likely be because you told the utils to remove the host's IP address.
1238105233 M * ser i de not tell anything, where should i change it?
1238105263 M * daniel_hozac remove /etc/vservers/<guest>/interfaces/X/dev, and touch /etc/vservers/<guest>/interfaces/X/nodev
1238105284 M * ser ok, i am adding it to FAQ
1238105289 M * ser thanks, daniel
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1238105460 M * Bertl off to bed now ... have a good one everyone!
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