1235606920 M * joss nice mission impossible
1235606991 M * joss if only i could get the complete listing of caps, hello, then all DANGEROUS will bbe enabled right away, reducecap only lists them 
1235606999 M * joss why not the wiki?
1235607042 M * daniel_hozac i don't understand what you're saying.
1235607191 M * joss daniel_hozac: listing of capabilites is missing, two command line tools as i can see, performing caps adjustments ..theres some bcaps listed
1235607203 M * joss chcontext and redusecap
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1235607253 M * joss daniel_hozac: seems they are taken from linux capability.h
1235607261 M * joss worth too read that one then
1235607322 M * joss daniel_hozac: i can not load dri driver inside vserver, perhaps you know that straight away how to do?
1235607437 M * joss all else is fine, it really is tremendously fast
1235607591 M * daniel_hozac uh... http://linux-vserver.org/Capabilities_and_Flags lists all of them.
1235607605 M * daniel_hozac in the surprisingly named section "List of capabilities"
1235607664 M * joss been there, even X tutorial lists more then that for bcaps
1235607677 M * daniel_hozac there aren't more...
1235607758 M * joss MKNOD for instance for dri, missing 
1235607766 M * daniel_hozac nope, it's right there.
1235607796 M * daniel_hozac nor do you really need that.
1235607887 M * joss lets start with what i need? hmm strace not arrived
1235608096 M * joss cause i did not have access to internet in guest funny, i remembered that as solved at first look..think just a gateway needed?
1235608137 M * joss trying, i think this sys value also and iptables perhaps, or some builtin method?
1235608516 M * daniel_hozac did you setup /etc/resolv.conf in the guest?
1235608524 M * daniel_hozac does ping -I <guest's IP> google.com work on the host?
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1235610294 J * joss ~joss@58.171.190.152
1235610611 M * joss where are you!!?
1235611498 J * dowdle ~dowdle@67-42-225-240.blng.qwest.net
1235611823 A * dowdle listens to the Linux Link Tech Show
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1235613844 J * mike_ ~chatzilla@119.224.36.62
1235613927 M * mike_ Hi is it possible to run stable vserver under 2.6.28.7?
1235614218 J * puck ~puck@leibniz.catalyst.net.nz
1235614228 M * puck Hey, is it still not possible to use nfs-kernel-server in a vserver?
1235614260 M * puck The rpc.mountd in nfs-user-server only talks mount V2, but the nfsmount client in busybox only talks V3...
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1235614703 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa
1235614925 M * daniel_hozac mike_: no, it has not been tested enough for that yet.
1235614939 M * daniel_hozac puck: running kernel anything in a guest doesn't make sense since the kernel is shared.
1235614950 M * puck yeah, that's what I figured.
1235614970 M * puck Damn, okay, I'll need to move the nfs server into the root host and piss around with paths.
1235614972 M * puck Oh well
1235615542 M * mike_ I found some debs for kenel 2.6.28.7 in http://linux-vserver.derjohn.de/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-amd64/  is it alph?
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1235616768 J * transacid ~transacid@transacid.de
1235618899 M * dowdle Good article on checkpointing / restart going to the mainline.  It'll be free next week but for now... here is the freelink: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/320508/94fcc42442a36cca/
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1235634773 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-196-44.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net
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1235635015 J * chi6IT41 ~chigital@noc.mivitec.net
1235635560 J * joss ~joss@58.171.246.71
1235635643 M * joss Bertl_zZ: can someone tell me how to grant wan to guest?
1235635775 J * balbir_ ~balbir@59.145.136.1
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1235635943 J * thierryp ~thierry@home.parmentelat.net
1235636053 M * joss ah all was there, nothing built in in that manner, iptables just, c ya
1235636074 J * azummo ~azummo@81-208-60-204.ip.fastwebnet.it
1235636105 M * azummo hello. what's  the required config to allow sshd in a guest to adjust his own /proc/self/oom_adj ?
1235636162 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it
1235636676 M * joss azummo: why is  that needed, just the question, not ironic statement, ssh seems to work here?
1235636747 M * joss azummo: one fiile is there at .defaults maybe unhiding works for you too apps/vprocunhide/files mark that entry there
1235636753 M * azummo joss: I on't know how the oom killer works under a guest. But if it work as expected, adjust the oom_adj would allow an sshd on the guest to survive the oom strike
1235636788 M * joss ok, dunno what that is:)
1235636805 M * azummo :)
1235636834 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234
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1235646621 J * sid4windr luser@bastard-operator.from-hell.be
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1235646994 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net
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1235648171 M * hijacker_ azummo, what distribution ?
1235648176 M * hijacker_ debian is: /etc/default/ssh
1235648185 M * hijacker_ that is where the oom is defined...
1235648278 M * azummo hijacker_: I know and I defined it, but it seems that the sshd process cannot access to its own /proc/seld/oom_adj
1235648290 M * azummo like if ther's a lack of permissions
1235648305 M * hijacker_ indeed
1235648315 M * azummo so I thought that I've left something out
1235648316 M * hijacker_ as oom_adj resides on the host...
1235648355 M * hijacker_ if you wish maybe you can present that to the guest? dunno what the final result will be thou
1235648359 M * hijacker_ have not played with that
1235648360 M * azummo that means that the oom can't strinke within a guest?
1235648366 M * hijacker_ just removed it and that was it.
1235648384 M * hijacker_ oom happens always on the host, i think
1235648386 M * azummo that's not a solution :D
1235648399 M * hijacker_ one kernel, one oom killer
1235648401 M * azummo mmm sure?
1235648405 M * hijacker_ not quite sure
1235648413 M * azummo seems reasonabe anyhow
1235648418 M * hijacker_ maybe Bertl_zZ can shed some light
1235648422 M * hijacker_ aye seems
1235648434 M * azummo but would the oom on the host strike when a guest is out of memory?
1235648451 M * hijacker_ nope
1235648457 M * hijacker_ as the host is not out of memory
1235648466 M * hijacker_ well it depends on the config
1235648480 N * ensc Guest671
1235648486 M * hijacker_ i think i bumped on a mailing thread about that recently
1235648490 J * ensc ~irc-ensc@p57AA57F8.dip.t-dialin.net
1235648494 M * hijacker_ you may want to check the vserver mail archive?
1235648500 Q * balbir_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235648513 M * azummo I checked it
1235648518 M * azummo no conclusive answer :D
1235648545 M * azummo I think Ineed someone whi knows the internals
1235648549 M * azummo who*
1235648593 M * azummo or just pretend neither the host nor the guest will be out of mem :D
1235648601 Q * Guest671 Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235648687 M * hijacker_ azummo, you can always provide the guest % of the overall available memory, can you not?
1235648716 M * azummo sure
1235648738 M * azummo just wanted to be sure that if the oom would ever strike on the guest the sshd would survie
1235648739 M * hijacker_ so taht it cannot eat up the hosts memory
1235648743 M * azummo i'm being paranoid, I know
1235648750 M * hijacker_ lool
1235648751 M * hijacker_ well
1235648758 M * hijacker_ can you test it and let us know ? ;-)
1235648766 M * hijacker_ i think oom is not guest related thou
1235648788 M * hijacker_ i think the only way to make it work is to give access for the guest to the hosts oom_adj
1235648799 M * hijacker_ which might be possible breach...
1235648811 M * azummo or to adjust it from the host
1235648841 M * hijacker_ adjust what on the host?
1235648852 M * azummo oom_adj of the guest's sshd
1235648858 M * hijacker_  ;-)
1235648859 M * azummo oh wel.. lunch time.. 
1235648863 M * azummo see you and ty
1235648869 M * hijacker_ ok
1235648869 J * Medivh ck@dolphin.serverbox.de
1235648872 M * hijacker_ have a nice lunch
1235649089 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p5B23F68D.dip.t-dialin.net
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1235650591 J * chi6IT41 ~chigital@noc.mivitec.net
1235650960 J * Punkie ~Punkie@2a01:5f0:1:80:216:d4ff:fe05:5987
1235651020 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl
1235651026 M * Bertl morning folks!
1235651302 M * Bertl azummo: the entire oom_adj thing is a little more problematic as it looks like (not from the implementation PoV, there it is simple :) and your particular case is a bug in the init script
1235651349 M * Bertl the question for Linux-VServer is, shall we work around that bug or wait util it is fixed :)
1235651358 Q * mrfree Remote host closed the connection
1235651546 M * azummo Bertl: ty. the sshd starts fine. I get a "Permission denied" even if I try to adjust oom_adj manually within the guest
1235651556 M * azummo echo -17 > /proc/11663/oom_adj
1235651597 M * Bertl yep, it is blocked inside a guest (for now)
1235651607 M * azummo Ok, nice to know.
1235651611 M * azummo problem solved :)
1235651620 M * Bertl the problem with oom_adj is, that it shouldn't be lightly used from userspace
1235651633 M * azummo agreable.
1235651641 M * Bertl just think, what a potential hostile guest will do as first thing :)
1235651641 M * azummo anyway the whole vserver thing is a very nice work
1235651656 M * azummo will it ever go into mainline kernel?
1235651680 M * Bertl but I was thinking of making oom_adj visible and accessible in a guest, just non-functional (to work around such issues)
1235651714 M * Bertl well, it is slowly going into mainline, but I think the process will take a few more years, as mainline is re-inventing everything in a sometimes clumsy way
1235651750 M * azummo eheh .. good luck!
1235651830 M * azummo have to go. see you and thanks
1235651842 M * Bertl you're welcome! cya!
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1235651911 M * fb_ geez
1235651928 M * fb_ how much i hate all those wireless keyboards and mices
1235652429 M * derjohn mike_ that is an amd64  one .... alpha refers usually to the userland tool, not the kernel patvh
1235652480 J * ktwilight__ ~ktwilight@64.93-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be
1235652649 M * Bertl fb_: I have one (wireless mouse) I'm very happy with actually, but for the rest I agree
1235652702 M * Bertl (it is one of those cable less usb-laser notebook mice from logitech)
1235652771 Q * ktwilight_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds
1235652816 M * Bertl it works perfectly fine for half a year with rechargeable batteries, is easy to use and contains the receiver in a small usb stick (which is placed in the mouse when not used)
1235652846 M * Bertl derjohn: any news on your crashing Xen kernels?
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1235653470 M * fb_ Bertl: for a home usage i agree. But at work it's some kind of mistake :|
1235653493 M * Bertl why, if I may ask?
1235653508 M * fb_ Bertl: with about 20 mices and keyboards in range receiver gets mad
1235653555 M * Bertl never had that problem yet, but I have to admit, that I havent tested with more than 5 mice in the same room :)
1235653555 M * fb_ and out of sudden you lose control over your own mouse, or start dragging somebody else's cursor
1235653565 M * derjohn Bertl, not really news, I will have to start the tests again as there have been changed between 2.6.28.4 and .7 concerning xen
1235653625 M * derjohn I switches to a 100Hz no preempt kernel that runs fine as PV domU and vserver in that domU (and: with a good performance !)
1235653630 M * derjohn *swicthed
1235653676 M * Bertl well, you wanted to figure why it crashed last time, now it seems like you are just papering over the issue :/
1235653888 M * fb_ Bertl: with notebook they are great, especially these tiny laser mices with tiny usb RF controller
1235653933 M * fb_ Bertl: that's so small, you don't actually need to unplug it when putting laptop into a bag
1235654010 M * Bertl yep, that's the one I'm talking about
1235654051 M * fb_ but it was some evil mind that decided to buy wireless keboards and mices for desktops :|
1235654092 M * Bertl yeah, probably Micro$oft is behind that plot? :)
1235654094 M * fb_ one may find this useful at home, agree, but at work, where everybody has its desk? :/
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1235654111 M * fb_ Bertl: don't think so, the're mostly from logitech
1235654248 J * joss ~joss@58.171.202.202
1235654560 J * Piet ~piet@asteria.debian.or.at
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1235654739 M * Bertl fb_: maybe the goverment then?
1235654868 J * jrdnyquist ~jrdnyquis@slayer.caro.net
1235656165 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@80.69.42.51
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1235662235 J * uva bono@118-160-175-170.dynamic.hinet.net
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1235663113 M * joss Bertl: got most of the things running here nicely, quite cool, still that thingy, most of the time Host X hangs, when switching between guest and host..graphical ennvironments, guess i can prevent this from happening, with vt99 for instance, and use ssh, but maybe thers a fix?
1235663380 M * Bertl well, I think you first have to figure why/where it hangs
1235663401 M * Bertl i.e. is that something going wrong in userspace (most likely) or something in the kernel
1235663413 M * Bertl (strace is probably a good idea)
1235664213 Q * saulus Read error: Connection reset by peer
1235664343 J * saulus ~saulus@d025200.adsl.hansenet.de
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1235665571 M * joss Bert1: yep i have no debugging symbols though, one of the mistakes i again made, compiled all the stuff without -ggdb -debug, i can do that, but i mostly ment to ask, have you seen that happening yourself?
1235665625 M * joss host to any other vt works, but right after coming from guest Xorg vt, X console of the host goes rubbish, and is freed  eventually, hardware thing i think gpu
1235665736 M * Bertl yep, seen that, related to the way Xorg implements the console switching
1235665756 M * Bertl we did debug that some time ago, but IIRC, it wasn't investigated further
1235666007 J * geb ~geb@157.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net
1235666125 M * joss Bert1: or how vserver implaments it:) but actually two host Xorg vserver patched kernel work, as well as one host and one chrooted into the same dir, but container and host not
1235666125 M * joss thats not big problem however but , i actually dont need to witch to guests Xorg anyways that way, but can be improved still i think
1235666249 M * joss dunno the concept of sharevts, wiki advised to use that, but this wont work here..keyboard hangs..novtswicth also
1235666907 M * Bertl well, Linux-VServer doens't implement anything in regard of vt switching, it is the userspace app, which seems to wait for signal, which is delivered to the host (the app assumes that host and guest are the same)
1235666948 M * Bertl but if you switch between guest and host, then one vt will belong to the guest, and the other to the host
1235667066 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@8.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com
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1235667752 M * mnemoc stupid question, where does .216pre live?
1235667817 Q * ArenaM Quit: Me'n vaig
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1235668275 M * Bertl  http://people.linux-vserver.org/~dhozac/t/uv-testing/
1235668505 M * mnemoc Bertl: thanks!
1235668581 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.104.135
1235668589 A * mnemoc throws an snowball to daniel_hozac with a message, "release .216!"
1235669265 J * maddoc maddoc@social.ostruktur.com
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1235670809 M * mnemoc how can't e2fsprogs people see it's a bug to enable huge_file by default on partitions which don't have enough size of >2TB files??!!
1235670935 M * arekm so if you grow partition what will happen if not turned on by default?
1235670984 M * mnemoc good point
1235671069 M * mnemoc but huge_file itself is more a whim than a real default need
1235671073 M * mnemoc imo
1235671136 M * arekm I have no idea about huge_file implications 8-)
1235671151 M * mnemoc allow files larger than 2TB
1235671166 M * arekm and what about sparse files?
1235671193 M * arekm can 4GB sparse file be created on 100MB partition for example?
1235671585 M * mnemoc none                    102400         0    102400   0% /mnt/test
1235671594 M * mnemoc dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/test/sparse count=0 seek=$((1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 4))
1235671604 M * mnemoc $ls -al /mnt/test/sparse 
1235671604 M * mnemoc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2199023255552 2009-02-26 19:05 /mnt/test/sparse
1235671616 M * mnemoc wth
1235671668 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@8.106.113.82.net.de.o2.com
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1235674184 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com
1235674194 M * kwowt hmm, cant ping anything but myself from inside guest
1235674242 M * mnemoc kwowt: if you want help you have to give more info :)
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1235674779 M * Bertl kwowt: private IP for the guest? is masquerading (S/DNAT) configured properly?
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