1235433905 Q * dowdle Remote host closed the connection 1235438303 M * Bertl_oO off to bed now .. have a good one everyone! 1235438307 N * Bertl_oO Bertl_zZ 1235438703 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235439386 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235441841 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235442223 Q * geb Remote host closed the connection 1235443964 J * derjohn_mob ~aj@p5B23D412.dip.t-dialin.net 1235444221 Q * ghislainocfs2 Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235444551 J * ghislainocfs2 ~Ghislain@LPuteaux-151-41-11-129.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235446379 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@p5B23FE23.dip.t-dialin.net 1235446818 Q * derjohn_mob Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235447656 Q * svenk_ Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235451129 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1235452405 J * joss ~joss@58.171.214.10 1235454251 J * heathjohns ~heath@64-46-21-14.dyn.novuscom.net 1235454361 M * heathjohns Anyone know why a server (in a guest) which is bound to localhost would be externally accessible? 1235454851 Q * joss Quit: Leaving 1235454866 J * joss ~joss@58.171.214.10 1235455094 Q * joss Read error: Connection reset by peer 1235455309 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.59.253 1235455695 J * joss ~joss@123.208.70.14 1235455721 M * joss http://linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security does not exist 1235455745 M * joss /proc/uptime can not be accessed. Usually, this is caused by 1235455746 M * joss procfs-security. Please read the FAQ for more details 1235455782 M * joss http://linux-vserver.org/util-vserver:Howto_virtualize_an_exisiting_Linux_server 1235455828 M * joss maybe there is a mistake then, it really advises to remove all * including dev after build target 1235456139 M * joss oldwiki has it http://oldwiki.linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security just do not understand those entries..anyone? 1235456646 M * joss heh, dont have kernel there..nice 1235456674 Q * heathjohns Quit: Leaving 1235458042 J * sharkjaw ~gab@217-26-13.231210.adsl.tele2.no 1235458841 M * joss vserver, so how i can adopt an existing gentoo installation to vserver container, booting process is not described in detail, for instance, what guest reads for booting, what drive? 1235458868 M * joss grub append root=? 1235459122 M * joss yeah was right at first, seems guest wont use it's own kernel in the tree 1235459343 M * Wonka it cannot 1235459360 M * Wonka vservers are chroot++ 1235459391 M * Wonka guest userlands of the host kernel 1235460128 M * kwowt allo 1235460129 M * kwowt :> 1235460133 M * joss Wonka: i think i had some no services started at boottime, since i compiled by hand, and init.d was at /usr/etc wronf --sysconfdir, anyways ..what services are needed to start? 1235460138 J * yarihm ~yarihm@whitehead2.nine.ch 1235461510 Q * balbir_ Read error: Connection reset by peer 1235461613 M * joss An error occured while executing the vserver startup sequence; when 1235461614 M * joss there are no other messages, it is very likely that the init-script 1235461614 M * joss () failed. 1235461627 M * joss with baselayout 2.0 on gentoo 1235461854 M * Wonka no idea 1235461899 M * Wonka i think /sbin/init is executed, and when that terminates, that counts as an error 1235461979 J * davidkarban ~david@88.86.104.103 1235462317 M * joss Wonka: sure, but why, i also found baselayout for vserver 1235462340 M * joss Wonka: most of the v_scripts from init.d give me errors 1235462372 M * joss exec /usr/sbin/chbind --ip eth0 /etc/init.d/sshd start 1235462372 M * joss ncontext: vc_net_create(): Invalid argument 1235462451 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235462672 M * joss need to see debug output for this, cant i? 1235462689 M * joss boot sequence something like that , something verbose 1235462768 M * joss vserver gentoo enter 1235462768 M * joss 'vserver ... suexec' is supported for running vservers only; aborting... 1235462862 M * joss bbs 1235462862 Q * joss Remote host closed the connection 1235463133 J * joss ~joss@58.171.228.198 1235463417 J * cga ~weechat@62.196.2.6 1235463761 J * duckx ~Duck@81.57.39.234 1235463763 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection 1235464343 J * sharkjaw ~gab@217-26-13.231210.adsl.tele2.no 1235464360 J * friendly ~friendly@ppp118-208-162-41.lns10.mel4.internode.on.net 1235464795 J * doener_ ~doener@i577B9C6C.versanet.de 1235464896 Q * doener Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235465158 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@51.42.69.80.in-addr.net-lab.net 1235465422 J * pmenier ~pme@LNeuilly-152-22-72-5.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr 1235465505 Q * joss Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235465538 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.59.253 1235465693 J * esa ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it 1235466906 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1235468023 M * kwowt anyone around? 1235468031 M * kwowt is it very unsafe to move the vservers while running?? 1235468044 M * kwowt i have no other option, i need the servers to work when i'm moving them 1235468155 M * zbyniu kwowt: use rsync 1235468199 M * zbyniu rsync while running; rsync while running; stop; rsync (will be quick); start 1235468378 J * joss ~joss@58.171.160.180 1235468527 M * kwowt will be quick really?:P 1235468597 M * kwowt what if i dont stop? 1235468977 M * zbyniu it depends on files size which changes, if you have GB of logs... 1235469004 N * Bertl_zZ Bertl 1235469008 M * Bertl morning folks! 1235469028 M * zbyniu if you don't stop some programs loose file descriptors logs, unix sockets etc 1235469057 M * kwowt is that dangerous? 1235469111 M * Bertl kwowt: rsync the guest, then stop it, rsync again (takes only a few seconds at most) start it on the destination 1235469150 M * zbyniu programs will be in unknown state, it is not good idea 1235469185 M * kwowt few seconds my ass :/ 1235469205 M * kwowt recieving file list takes 1235469208 M * kwowt a few minutes 1235469233 M * Bertl do you have a milion files on that guest? 1235469238 M * kwowt no 1235469240 M * kwowt a few thousand 1235469258 M * Bertl try to rsync it, and then, while it is running rsync it again (just to test) 1235469263 M * kwowt its a website with over 10k users 1235469269 M * Bertl do not use the 'c' checksumming option 1235469289 M * kwowt ok 1235469291 M * kwowt now its faster 1235469293 M * Bertl if your network is slow, and the cpus are fast, use 'z' 1235469444 M * kwowt ok;) 1235469530 M * kwowt if there is no msg that some files werent transfered 1235469535 M * kwowt then i dont need to stop right? 1235469552 M * Bertl not eveything is synced to disk immediately 1235469567 M * Bertl i.e. you will lose some data in the caches if you do not stop/sync 1235469597 M * Bertl also, apps like databases have two states (running and stopped) in their database files 1235469618 M * Bertl but the final sync should be doable in a few (like 2-3) seconds 1235469673 M * Bertl if that is too long, you should consider using HA (and a shared filesystem) 1235470047 M * joss Bert1: so does vserver instaanc/container have access to harddrive , i mean possible to mount drives? 1235470063 M * Bertl if configured so, yes 1235470194 M * joss nice, i have not configured anything, not yet got it running, gave me an error, i see that one program dont want to start neccessary for most of the scripts 1235470221 M * Bertl how so? 1235470230 M * joss its a shell script called chbind 1235470258 M * Bertl what kernel did you boot? 1235470271 M * joss /usr/sbin/chbind 1235470285 M * joss ncontext: vc_net_create(): Invalid argument 1235470436 M * joss well, then this is the mistake here..vserver kernel 2.6.27.15 config coming through to pastepin 1235470471 M * Bertl so, 2.6.27.15 with a vs2.3.x patch? what util-vserver version? 1235470473 M * joss uname -a 1235470476 M * joss Linux joss-desktop 2.6.27.10-vs2.3.0.36.4 #1 SMP Wed Feb 25 14:47:39 CST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux 1235470516 M * joss i compiled utils-with crypto-api=none since it barked for nss missing 1235470523 M * joss and i did not find packages for it, moment 1235470546 M * joss i still do not know how i can copy from gnome terminal with shortcut 1235470551 M * Bertl well, you could have taken beecrypt or mozilla-nss but that only affects unification 1235470590 M * joss util-vserver-0.30.215 1235470646 M * Bertl please run the testme.sh and upload the output, as well as 'vserver-info - SYSINFO' 1235470649 M * joss Bert1:can this be a problem for gentoo with baselayout-vserver not starting up that single script? 1235470672 M * joss right away 1235470676 M * Bertl http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/SCRIPT/ 1235470887 M * joss hmm, segfaulted 1235470907 M * Bertl then you are using a broken toolchain 1235470924 M * joss gdb help needed..what commands do you need ? after backtrace? 1235470947 M * Bertl don't bother, it is a bug in your build system 1235470947 M * joss testme.sh segfaulted 1235470961 M * Bertl it's a bash script 1235470972 M * joss hmm, its ubuntu interpid 1235470978 M * joss uuh, yeah silly 1235471005 Q * yarihm Quit: This computer has gone to sleep 1235471023 M * Bertl the best approach on ubuntu, IIRC, is to get the debian packages, and install them 1235471028 M * joss you know, how to append with 2<&1 | tee -a...this seems to overwrite? 1235471036 M * kwowt works like a charm! 1235471041 M * kwowt what would i do without u 1235471041 M * kwowt :P 1235471065 M * joss Bert1: i think so too, but kernel i allready compiled do you think its a bug in userspace tools? 1235471071 M * joss what you mean by toolchain? 1235471080 M * Bertl toolchain is gcc + binutils 1235471092 M * Bertl and yes, you just need the userspace tools once the kernel has booted 1235471097 M * joss ai yeah..sucks..thats what i thought 1235471154 M * joss at least i can make uninstall..ok so i post this output just in case also.. 1235471220 J * krm ~award@cvs.mpc-ogw.co.uk 1235471233 M * joss version switch did not segfault, but scrippled my bash console all the way, had to reset 1235471322 J * Pazzo ~ugelt@reserved-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net 1235471701 M * joss http://www.pastebin.ca/1345718 1235471710 M * joss finally net is slow, and i am slow 1235471795 M * joss testme.sh is last hunk 1235471837 M * Bertl Use dietlibc: no (you have been warned 1235471937 Q * friendly Quit: Leaving. 1235471963 M * joss aaih yeah..it really said that i can remember 1235471972 M * joss i dont think i have one though.. 1235471973 M * Bertl and is there any reason for this kernel version, btw? not that it should matter much 1235472010 M * joss 2.6.27.15..? 1235472012 M * Bertl I mean 2.6.27.19 is out ... 1235472030 M * joss no there is not, picked it out randomly. 1235472035 M * Bertl okay 1235472075 M * Bertl so, either get the debian packages, or get dietlibc (and probably beecrypt) and rebuild 1235472078 M * joss havent see anything other breaking here with eeepc 1235472096 M * joss aah, i do not need dietlibc when using debian packages? 1235472113 M * joss good, i take debian utils then 1235472142 A * mnemoc has had bad experiencies when using util-vserver not linked against diet 1235472152 M * Bertl the debian packages are built with dietlibc, so no, you do not need it 1235472170 M * joss http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_vserver_debian_etch 1235472187 M * Bertl you might also want to consider using the latest 0.30.216pre, if you want to use newer kernel features 1235472203 A * pmjdebruijn points out that Lenny has been released... 1235472208 M * mnemoc Bertl: what's stopping a real .216 release? 1235472210 M * joss Bert1: 2.6.16 ment utils might be too old maybe? 1235472253 M * Bertl mnemoc: you have to ask daniel_hozac for that :) 1235472288 M * Bertl joss: there are very recent utils available for debian 1235472316 M * joss hmm, really slow band here, will search again then 1235472323 M * Bertl http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=util-vserver 1235472597 M * joss lstat(): No such file or directory 1235472604 M * mnemoc Bertl: :) 1235472608 M * joss Starting Linux-VServers in background 1235472617 M * joss might mean that it started now 1235472785 M * mnemoc Bertl: do you think is possible to run guests (their init) supervised? (daemontools/runit) 1235473027 M * Bertl mnemoc: sure, you just need to put that supervisor into the context (partially or completely) 1235473199 M * mnemoc Bertl: thanks, i'll research :) 1235473463 M * Bertl after all, init has the same purpose 1235474254 M * Bertl off for now .. bbl 1235474264 N * Bertl Bertl_oO 1235474719 J * esa` ~esa@ip-87-238-2-45.static.adsl.cheapnet.it 1235474727 Q * esa Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235475331 M * _Shiva_ hmm .. what do i need to set to get rid of the following: 1235475335 M * _Shiva_ "error writing /proc/self/oom_adj: Operation not permitted" 1235475348 M * joss stat error what is that about? 1235475434 M * _Shiva_ that's openssh within a guest trying to prevent being killed by a oom-condition.. 1235475661 M * joss anyone running on debian this ? 1235475906 M * joss vc_migrate_context(): Function not implemented 1235475906 M * joss /proc/uptime can not be accessed. Usually, this is caused by 1235475906 M * joss procfs-security. Please read the FAQ for more details 1235475907 M * joss http://linux-vserver.org/Proc-Security 1235475907 M * joss Failed to start vserver 'gentoo' 1235475920 M * joss all this coming after vserver gentoo start 1235477788 M * joss vcontext: vc_ctx_migrate(): Function not implemented 1235477795 M * joss two errors all the time 1235477817 M * joss nothing interesting in the faq 1235477823 M * joss http://linux-vserver.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions#When_I_try_to_start_a_guest_i_get_this_message_.22.2Fproc.2Fuptime_can_not_be_accessed._Usually.2C_this_is_caused_by_procfs-security._Please_read_the_FAQ_for_more_details.22.3F 1235478191 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net 1235478629 M * joss hopeless. rebooting 1235478631 Q * joss Remote host closed the connection 1235479751 J * mtg ~mtg@vollkornmail.dbk-nb.de 1235480992 J * joss ~joss@58.171.201.106 1235481289 M * joss starting local and thats all folks.. 1235481375 N * saulus_ saulus 1235483128 J * harobed ~harobed@pda57-1-82-231-115-1.fbx.proxad.net 1235484946 Q * balbir_ Quit: Ex-Chat 1235484963 J * balbir_ ~balbir@122.172.59.253 1235485119 M * joss possible to get like some debug output, what is going one, since my gentoo guest dies without saying much of anything 1235486565 M * Bertl_oO add --debug after vserver 1235487001 M * joss ok 1235487274 M * joss Bert1_oO: i can not read much of that , but maybe you can http://filebin.ca/qpgwot/file.txt 1235487333 M * joss only network does not initialize properly, i have not yet find a page that desscribes howto do that 1235487860 M * Bertl_oO looks good to me, inside the guest you want to disable the networking completely or use baselayout 2 which handles that properly, IIRC 1235487926 J * jrdnyquist ~jrdnyquis@slayer.caro.net 1235487992 M * jrdnyquist http://rpm.hozac.com/dhozac/centos/5/vserver/x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: 1235487999 M * jrdnyquist I cry 1000 tears :( 1235488031 M * Bertl_oO there is a mirror, check the ML 1235488045 M * joss Bertl_oO: hmm, anyways i can not do much with it, says its not running.. 1235488175 M * joss ii used vserver baselayout 1.14 which should be goot, but i can update i think 1235488327 M * Bertl_oO yeah, network is setup on the host, so the guest doesn't need to do anythin 1235488377 M * jrdnyquist Bertl_oO, I'm having trouble finding the mirror list for Centos, can you point me to the right place? 1235488380 M * joss you thinkk because of that error vserver context wont start at all? 1235488484 M * joss normally this means just no network, anyays i also searched for this switchto thingy, have not found it nowhere, how to jump into the machine and leave it..if using X 1235488513 M * Bertl_oO jrdnyquist: http://archives.linux-vserver.org/200902/0046.html 1235488596 M * joss i doubt it, sincce vserver-baselayout should be deisgned to work with it, unless vserver changed something during past three years :D:D:D:D 1235488622 M * joss anyways i have trouble with downloading stuff here, seems i need to sync to get openrc , and also migrate to it 1235488677 M * joss perhaps i cold sync only that particular thingy not the whole tree, sure i could 1235488755 J * Piet ~piet@asteria.debian.or.at 1235488807 M * jrdnyquist Bertl_oO, thx that works great! 1235488903 M * joss vc_migrate_context(): Function not implemented 1235489135 M * Bertl_oO testme.sh ? 1235489174 M * joss ah minute 1235489289 M * joss uuh i haven't got it now, that came from the bashes history, silly me, but still here is the test 1235489350 M * joss http://www.pastebin.ca/1345903 1235489779 M * joss theres only one line saying something about broken pipe, one line is one line you know:) 1235489936 M * Bertl_oO did you uninstall the old util-vserver and install the new one properly? (including the distribution install)? 1235490115 M * joss Bertl_oO> ou My god i do not know, i only assume, i took debian one, since ubuntu one, did not start at all, vserver-utils, but indeed, i did make an uninstall there, anyways, baselayout 2.0 still wont start the net, cause i think i just passed some bogus ip addres to it 1235490160 M * joss --interface ppp0:192.168.1.253/24 i do not know how to conf the net at all here.. 1235490204 M * joss i have ppp0 running that is 3.5g shitty band, and lo0 i think tap0 is needed to communicate with guest, havent seen the docs really? 1235490271 M * daniel_hozac host<->guest communication would use lo. 1235490383 M * joss daniel_hozac: --interface lo0:192.168.1.0 suits? 1235490415 M * daniel_hozac i doubt it's named lo0. but if that's what you want, sure. 1235490424 M * joss i allready tried still an error, daniel_hozac, but is that the cause of failure? normal machine just boots without the net then 1235490478 M * joss * Cannot default to dhcp as there is no dhcp module loaded 1235490480 M * joss * No configuration for start [ !! ] 1235490480 M * joss * ERROR: net.vserver failed to start 1235490517 M * daniel_hozac what tarball did you use for your guest? Hollow's? 1235490639 M * joss hmm, minute forgat to do etc-update before 1235490661 M * joss yeah the one gentoo provides, as well as self built, bot behave the same 1235490677 M * joss vserver dedicated stage3 traball 1235490972 J * dowdle ~dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu 1235491068 Q * sharkjaw Remote host closed the connection 1235491090 M * joss daniel_hozac: is there a really minimal bootdisk to try with? 1235491097 M * joss something like rescue disk? 1235491110 M * joss that you know certainly should work and so on 1235491342 M * joss i am missing framebuffer, might that be the cause? 1235491384 M * Bertl_oO bootdisk for what? 1235491414 M * Bertl_oO IIRC, knoppix had Linux-VServer support, not sure they still have 1235491432 M * daniel_hozac you want a stage4 from http://people.linux-vserver.org/~hollow/stages/ 1235491511 M * joss * net.vserver: cannot start until the runlevel boot has completed 1235491537 M * joss daniel_hozac: i took stage3 i think 1235491575 M * joss and that gentoo which i try with, that one i knocked myself, lots of compiling just for "vserver" D 1235491588 M * joss but i did packages luckily 1235491590 M * daniel_hozac you really do want a stage4 though. 1235491614 M * joss daniel_hozac: you think that one will start? 1235491671 M * daniel_hozac i know it does. 1235491706 M * joss 20/kb-s 1235491718 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: hi, what is it missing for a real .216 release? :) 1235491732 M * joss so you do now know only what is needed to be done, to get normal builds working? 1235491756 M * joss now/not fingers twisted 1235491766 M * joss fetching 1235491859 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: there's a bunch of tiny things that need to be done. 1235491888 M * joss no worries if it will, since most packages i think will be still applyable, just that stage3 was even named vserver..but the actuall tutorial advises stage4 also 1235491895 Q * davidkarban Quit: Ex-Chat 1235491896 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: and i want to have pid namespace support in it. 1235491909 M * mnemoc ic 1235491910 J * geb ~geb@157.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net 1235491919 M * geb hi 1235491958 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: but considering everyone is been encoraged to use .216pre, wouldn't be better to get pid namespace in .217? 1235491997 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: the only difference would be encouraging people to get 216... :-) 1235492013 M * joss daniel_hozac: your scripts it seems, so you should know, if that network mounting is the real failure of starting? 1235492019 M * mnemoc which looks far better than "216pre" 1235492063 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: why? 1235492076 M * mnemoc "pre" and "use in production" don't mix 1235492093 M * mnemoc even if the code behind is the same :) 1235492111 M * mnemoc it's a psycological effect :p 1235492123 M * joss for the whole gentoo system i did tarball and injected it the same way, to get booting screen at all like in tutorial.. 1235492148 M * daniel_hozac pre stands for Production Ready (Essentially) :-) 1235492152 M * mnemoc it's like the shock people gets from Bertl's Experimental/ download location :p 1235492158 M * mnemoc hehe 1235492203 M * joss -t /path/to/gentoo.tar.bz2 1235492313 M * joss daniel: cant i just do a skeleton with --initstyle gentoo without does tars and stuff? 1235492366 M * joss those 1235492395 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: when you have some spare time I would like to bother you with hints for running guests supervised :) 1235492475 M * joss of util-vserver. However, this method is only works reliable since util-vserver-0.30.213_rc5, so make sure you have the right version installed. 1235492489 M * daniel_hozac joss: no, surprisingly enough you actually do need to have something in the guest to run it. 1235492494 M * joss se does it work with 2227 1235492569 M * joss 1daniel_hozac: heeheee, that good..why not with dir just, why you need to unpack the tarball? 1235492600 M * joss because i compressed the tar.bz2 file 1hour at least here 1235492625 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: like http://linux-vserver.org/Running_runit-supervised_services_inside_a_vserver ? 1235492636 M * mnemoc :o 1235492640 M * mnemoc no no 1235492648 Q * mtg Quit: Verlassend 1235492716 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: I want to supervice the inits of the guests from the hosts, instead of having them left abandoned to their own luck 1235492735 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: I do use runit on the hosts and one the guests 1235492761 M * mnemoc s/one/on/ 1235492797 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: uhm... but that article looks interesting, i'll print/read it 1235492879 M * joss daniel_hozac: did you take a look at the earlier test.sh and --debug output? 1235492923 M * joss i am quite tired, would like to get it running here, i doubt stage4 is the helper, but trying still 1235492953 M * joss have to wait 1hour, should just try openvz perhaps, or lxc 1235493112 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: so you want to restart the inits when they die? 1235493157 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: if they die when I don't want, yes 1235493176 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: and treat them as "services" 1235493216 M * mnemoc i'll need to tweak some control/*, as init uses USR1 and USR2 1235493260 M * mnemoc but I want runit to notice when a guest crashes, or gets rebooted/halted from inside 1235493466 M * mnemoc daniel_hozac: sounds stupid? 1235493480 M * joss daniel_hozac:logoud is to quit the server , when i hit start what should happen really, enter i mean? 1235493528 M * Bertl_oO mnemoc: there is a mechanism to 'wait' for a guest shutdown 1235493534 M * daniel_hozac mnemoc: no, makes sense... it's just going to be pretty hard, i think. 1235493565 M * Bertl_oO mnemoc: you could run a process on the host waiting for that 1235493583 M * daniel_hozac joss: what? 1235493601 Q * gnuk Remote host closed the connection 1235493951 J * gnuk ~F404ror@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net 1235494291 M * mnemoc Bertl_oO: that can be easier 1235494315 M * mnemoc Bertl_oO: an bind control/* to normal vserver commands 1235494339 M * joss daniel_hozac: is there a lag that big, or are you answering so late? 1235494391 M * joss daniel_hozac: i am just asking how to manipulate with guest, how to enter X session and how to leave too host again, leaving the vps running.. 1235494416 M * joss Bert said there ws somekind of switchto command, which i have not found 1235494656 J * docelic ~docelic@78.134.207.11 1235494661 M * daniel_hozac joss: use vserver ... enter 1235494676 M * daniel_hozac joss: start X and whatever else you want, and exit the shell. 1235494753 M * joss 20kb/s have not yet got stage4:) ..oh this 3g is a joke to work with 1235494784 M * daniel_hozac you might want to invest in turbo-3G. 1235494789 M * joss 3.5 even, 7.2mbps max, gives 20kilobyte 1235494909 M * joss why not:) if i only had money, you mean use it:) ah heres no coverage, my home land has cdma 1235495069 M * joss daniel_hozac: turbo is the same in sence of speeds as cdma 450mhz i think it had constant 120kb/s which was fine actually 1235495075 M * joss skype was fine too 1235495127 M * joss if you mean invest like to buy shares or develop, then i think i have too little budget for that:) 1235495868 J * bonbons ~bonbons@2001:960:7ab:0:2c0:9fff:fe2d:39d 1235497947 M * kwowt rsync --numeric-ids -aPxvzc 1235497951 M * kwowt do i need that 'c' ? 1235497962 M * kwowt i already rsynced once yesterday 1235498041 Q * harobed Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235498055 M * joss kwowt: you know what daniel ment by exiting the shell? On X there is no way to exit shell? 1235498091 M * joss 70% damn if it still wont go 1235498130 M * joss here is some sort of rescue init passable to vserver 1235498139 M * mnemoc /bin/sh 1235498209 M * joss mnemoc: ? 1235498220 M * mnemoc /bin/sh is the rescue init 1235498225 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1235498255 Q * esa` Quit: Coyote finally caught me 1235498308 M * joss mnemoc: whats the default then, its always bin/sh that comes from inittab or rungetty or someth similar.. 1235498338 M * mnemoc inittab is sysvinit's configuration file 1235498381 M * joss mnemoc: gentoo i think uses sysvinit 1235498511 M * joss i just red wikipedia, i never try virtual machines much, but it said, and that was what i begin to think myself, that os-level vps's give only 3% iv overhead compared to real linux machines.. 1235498546 M * daniel_hozac if you get that much overhead, something's wrong. 1235498554 M * joss never tried usermode linux at home, fetched the sources couple of times, but rough times, so i havent really tried such systems never 1235498615 N * pmenier pmenier_off 1235498870 M * joss i think that those chematics have changed a bit, since usermode linux was said to not work with 3d, vserver on openvz i can not indications that it wont really 1235498996 M * joss remeber one guy talking that one hacker always ran 10usermode linuxes in his system..than it must had been quite fast 1235499029 M * joss little hard to imagine running 10vmwares or qemus 1235499263 Q * Piet Quit: Piet 1235499300 M * joss daniel_hozac: if it wont start now, i tell you what, you gonna help me a bit then..dunno whats wrong 1235499422 M * joss daniel_hozac: this debug error messaging is pretty much like for wine, it does not tell or guide much, but wine also should mostly just work if you make it to work, just those errors are quite random there 1235499447 M * joss one has to know what he is doing 1235499513 M * karasz hello 1235499532 M * karasz i am using http://nopaste.opensde.net/?ZjhmNz and I have some issues binding services to lo 1235499541 M * karasz inside the vserver i mean. 1235499963 M * joss daniel_hozac: my first mission is to see, how that leaving from X really behaves, does it behave like chvt, or is that vitual context some other way isolated, so that is what i will test at first? 1235500046 M * joss as i see some capavilties and privileges are needed to run x and -sharevts and -novtswitch, what happens if i leave to host i wanna see,thats needed to be tested with x11vnc, is that X session reachable via vncproxy then from host or not 1235500338 M * joss daniel_hozac: yeah you were right, it really started this time.. 1235500480 M * joss now this harder bit of it..confuguring, no devices seen excpet /dev/shm..ok reading from now on, machine is started 1235501520 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa 1235501744 M * joss heh i once got 800mbp/s and just in case downloaded all x realeses to usb key, heh..forgat about it really, this was wy it copresses the gentoo environemt so long, they were all lying at distfiles/ 1235502291 M * daniel_hozac karasz: what type of issues? 1235502392 M * joss heck binary compatibility...ai damn i686 and i486 wrong gcc..should have fetched x86 yup, there no x86 stage4. 1235502563 M * joss daniel_horaz: is there a gui for vserver containers onfiguration? 1235503636 Q * derjohn_foo Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235504121 Q * hparker Quit: Read error: 104 (Peer reset by connection) 1235504150 Q * _Shiva_ Remote host closed the connection 1235504300 Q * kwowt Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235504635 J * kwowt ~quote@pomoc.ircnet.com 1235504646 J * derjohn_foo ~aj@e180210252.adsl.alicedsl.de 1235507137 Q * derjohn Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235507398 J * derjohn ~derjohn@80.69.41.3 1235507573 J * cga ~weechat@94.36.125.52 1235508972 Q * FireEgl Quit: Leaving... 1235509422 Q * saulus Quit: leaving 1235509436 J * saulus ~saulus@c150013.adsl.hansenet.de 1235510196 Q * saulus Quit: leaving 1235510213 J * saulus ~saulus@c150013.adsl.hansenet.de 1235510920 Q * geb Quit: Quitte 1235511021 M * karasz re 1235511029 M * karasz daniel_hozac: around? 1235511123 M * joss i do not have such file as vprocunhide in .default 1235511300 Q * Pazzo Quit: Ex-Chat 1235511502 M * joss however seems i do not have access to device fles, i fo not know how to give them access, karasz you know that? 1235511557 J * larsivi_ ~larsivi@70.84-48-63.nextgentel.com 1235511565 Q * cga Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6 1235511565 Q * larsivi Read error: Connection reset by peer 1235512259 Q * bonbons Quit: Leaving 1235512854 Q * duckx Remote host closed the connection 1235513211 Q * docelic Quit: http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/ 1235513845 J * saulus_ ~saulus@c195066.adsl.hansenet.de 1235513953 Q * saulus Ping timeout: 480 seconds 1235515382 N * Bertl_oO Bertl 1235515388 M * Bertl back now ... 1235515843 J * geb ~geb@157.4.82-79.rev.gaoland.net 1235517618 M * joss Bert1: so now, how to confgure permissions and devices to guest, so that they are available? 1235517672 J * hparker ~hparker@2001:470:1f0f:32c:290:96ff:fe50:40fa 1235517693 M * Bertl which devices and what permissions? 1235517717 M * joss Bert1: guest says it hasn't got /dev/ttyx for Xorg 1235517749 M * joss Any devce, seems they are completely missing, it is like a chroot environment, to u have to mount -o bind them? 1235517764 M * Bertl nope, they are missing for security reasons 1235517783 M * Bertl you can simply copy them over if you are sure that you want to give the guest access 1235517825 M * joss Bert1: i am just experimenting, this is not a productioon system, but i haven't got that much time overall 1235517858 M * joss Bert1: so this is the preferred way of doing this, copy devices to guest? 1235517881 M * joss now the other question is how i exit guest leving Xorg running? 1235517895 M * Bertl yep, just do, cp -va /dev/tty* /path/to/guest/dev/ 1235517932 M * Bertl well, the best approach would be to start X from inside the guest, but if you must use enter, then backgrounding it would work too 1235518047 M * joss hmm, i do not know how to backround Xorg 1235518058 M * joss there is no info in man vserver 1235518084 M * Bertl well, there is no info about bash in man vserver either :) 1235518100 M * Bertl backgrounding is something you do with processes from your shell 1235518104 M * joss ah you mean & 1235518147 M * joss isn't there a command to send to host to fork away to guest? 1235518159 M * joss to host, pardon 1235518182 M * Bertl hmm? 1235518199 M * Bertl what do you want to do? 1235518236 M * joss Bert1: leave X running on guest, and try to connect there leaving x11vnc running ontopofXorg 1235518279 M * joss at the moment i only have lo in guest, and no routing table to connect the guest, nor from guest to host, but i actua;;y got it running this time 1235518280 M * Bertl well, if your guest starts, it will execute all the runlevel scripts 1235518314 M * Bertl on Mandriva for example, there is a dm (display manager) runlevel script, which starts X11 (if configured) 1235518338 M * joss Bert1: i noticed that, just the question of wat is the kernel builtin to go away from Xorg not issuing chvt? 1235518343 M * Bertl enabling that in the guest starts whatever is configured _inside_ the guest 1235518362 M * joss Bert1: i know that, gdm,kdm etc. 1235518371 M * Bertl there is no other way than switchto to change the terminal 1235518372 M * joss xdm for x possibly 1235518403 M * joss aah what is the switchto i was searchiing for that command, that i am asking 1235518462 M * Bertl http://linux.die.net/man/1/switchto 1235518466 M * joss vserver hasn't really got such 1235518475 M * Bertl it's not Linux-VServer specific 1235518493 M * joss aah then it's chvt i guess? 1235518539 M * joss ok hold on lets try it together, at first where can i get that utility? I have vserver ready 1235518541 M * Bertl well, it is part of the 'open' package here, open and switchto 1235518588 M * joss apt-get install open then i guess 1235518602 M * Bertl no idea, I'm using Mandriva 1235518634 M * joss ah its part of kbd, that is something similar to openvt i think then...thats almost chvt, but littlee enchased 1235518674 M * Bertl as long as it sends the proper kernel syscalls/ioctls it doesn't matter, I guess 1235518858 M * joss more possibilities..can clear the console and so on, force etc,, ok lets see, how about network? how can i ping the guest via its hostname? 1235518911 M * joss or lan ip address? i have only red how qemu does that and alsa physical devices 1235518930 M * joss some say iproute2 does it? 1235518938 M * Bertl there is no real point in 'pinging' the guest, but you can do it right now 1235518963 M * Bertl i.e. just do 'ping ' when the guest is up 1235519008 M * joss Bert1: i did not see it's ip address on the first look, it onlu had lo and ppp0 like host had 1235519053 M * joss i got only openvt, dunno...think that;s almost the same 1235519070 M * Bertl Linux-VServer uses ip isolation, so the guest will always see a subset of the host IPs, and the host will always have the superset, i.e. all IPs (including the guest IPs) 1235519125 M * joss Bert1: ah so it does not have to be even a lan address and gatewayd, just ifconfig lo someip yes? 1235519151 M * joss ok then ill give it a hostname 1235519164 M * joss hmm, thats allready been given..heh 1235519192 M * Bertl there is no forwarding between guest and host (or network) so no to the gateway part, and the guest itself does not care where the IP comes from or what interface it is assigned to 1235519240 M * Bertl util-vserver provides the ip add/remove for convenience, i.e. you cna configure a number of IPs to be brought up on guest start and be removed on guest shutdown 1235519351 M * joss ok, even a device name then, guest even has internet allready there, ok, anyways lets try X and x11vnc, i have weird feeling that this wont work still 1235519438 M * joss there is no such file as hostname 1235519458 M * Bertl means? 1235519509 M * joss how can i give the guest a name, like a hostname..i do not want to remember the ip address.. 1235519537 M * Bertl well, giving it a name will work via config or via the 'hostname' command 1235519540 M * joss i did that magic so long time ago, with bind, rough times 1235519553 M * Bertl using a name for the ip will require to put that into the resolver 1235519613 M * Bertl you are not very comfortable with Unix (and Linux in particular), correct? 1235519616 M * joss yeah i wanna reach that name from my host as well 1235519642 M * joss Bert1: i haven't done that in a while, not really, but i like it 1235519650 M * Bertl probably the simplest way is to add an entry in /etc/hosts 1235519672 M * Bertl 1235519687 M * joss i was experimenting mire with filesystems recently, and such 1235519696 M * joss yep i saw that file 1235519740 M * joss but you know, that wont make it pingable from outside 1235519744 M * joss after that name 1235519791 M * joss i did it with bind long time ago, problem here is that i haven't got band much, i take the webpages so slowly, that its irritating 1235519792 M * Bertl that is correct, but that needs a public dns entry, and I doubt you know where (and how) to make that (no offence meant) 1235519832 M * joss Bert1: i no no, that can be a local zone also 1235519852 M * Bertl also requires a dns server and setup 1235519853 M * joss but certainly local hostnames are possible with some other name then bind also 1235519959 M * joss Bert1: Local zones? no not really...than i must had used isp's dns addresses, but i do not think so..it was only for local area network.. 1235519986 M * Bertl dns servers can answer local queries too :) 1235519988 M * joss Bert1: obiosuly all the tutorials dealing with network name lan hosts